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[Valerius]

Hey everyone, I am currently playing through a playthrough of this game as a mage and got to the scene with the inquisitor's speech. During this speech I began comparing the mage inquisitor with my warrior inquisitor and found something interesting when looking at a mage vs a mundane as the leader. I've come to the conclusion that a mundane inquisitor is simply better suited to lead the inquisition than a mage. This is due to the fact that the people of southern thedas are currently terrified of all magic and would have a hard time following a mage to save the world, while the mundane does not have this problem. A warrior trevelyan for example, is from a well respected noble family and can be trusted by the world. It adds to the whole "Magister vs. Mundane" theme that the game had going on. My question to you guys is whether or not you guys share this view. Do you thnk a mage makes more sense as the iniquisitor? If so why? As always thank you all for reading this and I hope you all have a wonderful day!

[Sable Rhapsody]

IMO the use of magic matters less for quizzy overall since all quizzies have the Anchor.  They're all magical to some extent, and the people who would fear their magic (the Andrastian faithful) also tend to be the ones who believe quizzy is divinely chosen.  I think race would honestly play a bigger factor than magic.  If you're human, you're mostly fine.  If you're qunari, people are going to fear and hate you regardless of whether you can throw lightning around.

[berelinde]

I don't share the view that non-mage Inquisitors are more "right" for the role of Inquisitor. If anything, it may be precisely the right time for southern Thedas to learn to trust a mage leader. Change has to start somewhere.

[vertigomez]

I prefer a non-mage Inquisitor for roleplay reasons (as in, I think it's cooler/scarier to go from being average joe to having a GLOWING GREEN HAND WTF), but I don't think a non-mage is more suited to be the Inquisitor.

You start in with how no one trusts mages, pretty soon you'll veer into Dalish/qunari/dwarf territory and all you'll be left with is "the Inquisitor MUST be a human noble!" Which is fine for people who like it, but I'd be booored.

[KaiserShep]

I do like that a mage Herald can act shocked at the notion of being chosen as the Inquisition's leader (in fairness a mundane can do the same, but it has more impact as a mage I think). In any case, I think that the Inquisition's being regarded as a heretical group by many kind of gives this a pass, since what's one more thing, right? Also, the Herald/Inquisitor earned the trust of the people closest to it by the actions taken thus far, like taking out the rogue factions, helping refugees and saving the people of Haven.

[In Exile]

I prefer the idea of a heretical leader of the Inquisition leading it in a time of change. I love my atheistic pro-mage apostate Qunari so much. Cassandra even jokes about it. Cassandra!

[Korva]

It adds to the whole "Magister vs. Mundane" theme that the game had going on.

 

That is one reason why I like my warrior Inquisitor, yes. Standing up against an example of the worst of what magic can do, the worst of mage-supremacism, and championing the common people who are so easily forgotten by those who value only what is "special" (ie. magical, old, powerful). Plus, I'm more than a bit tired of the "here worship our superdupermegaWTFBBQLOLOLOL mage NPCs who play you for a fool whenever it suits them and are actually the real protagonists of our games, not your silly recyclable player characters" thing that the series has going on. So if my silly recyclable player character can at least temporarily carve out a little niche away from that theme as a non-mage, I'm all for it.

[The Baconer]

It will be by the hand of magic that Thedas is saved, or destroyed :>

[Mikoto8472]

I too have two files, one a mundane sword/shield Trevelyan Inquisitor.

 

And a second file as a mage Trevelyan Inquisitor.

 

They're both human, both nobleborn although the mage had her rightful birthright stripped from her by force just because of how she was born until she was recognised as a member of the Inquisition.

 

But I can't decide which one 'fits' better. The mundane with a magical mark fighting against the ultimate evil magic? Or the mage being the epitome of good magic battling the ultimate bad magic? Tricky.

[Master Warder Z_]

The irony of getting insulted by a ancient mage for being a normal person before kicking said Mage's blighted ass is too much to pass up.

Plus you know.

Humans already have all the power.

It makes sense for the passing drama to be transitory.

[redredwine]

Not necessarily.  The magic vs. mundane thing that's been going on since DA2 (and somewhat in DAO, but mostly DA2), is an important issue for the Inquisition.  They have the ability/resources to influence it a lot, and I think it's interesting either way.  A mundane that may not entirely understand or even be afraid of magic, or a mage that sees the best and worst of what their people can do.  Do you marginalize the few for the sake of the greater good, or do you protect the few from the tyranny of the many?  I personally like a mage Inquisitor because Thedas needs to confront its issues with magic one way or another, and what better way than to have its Herald of Andraste be a mage?

[Master Warder Z_]

The tyranny of the many?

Heh.

[vertigomez]

Not necessarily.  The magic vs. mundane thing that's been going on since DA2 (and somewhat in DAO, but mostly DA2), is an important issue for the Inquisition.  They have the ability/resources to influence it a lot, and I think it's interesting either way.  A mundane that may not entirely understand or even be afraid of magic, or a mage that sees the best and worst of what their people can do. Do you marginalize the few for the sake of the greater good, or do you protect the few from the tyranny of the many?  I personally like a mage Inquisitor because Thedas needs to confront its issues with magic one way or another, and what better way than to have its Herald of Andraste be a mage?

That's a great way of putting it!

Can't go wrong either way.

[Serza]

Rogue Master... oh, wait. Not a class comparison.

[Mykel54]

Unlike DA2, where i think the mage class was lacking storywise (even though is bioware´s default), i think the story of DAI suits very nicely a mage inquisitor, particularly the human mage. Here are some reasons:

- You have very good reasons to be at the conclave, and also for stumbling in the room where the Divine is. The only other race with imo good justification is the qunari, which as bodyguards hired by Leliana could hear noises and investigate what was goin on.

- Unlike past DA games, in DAI there is a lot of mage-specific dialogue, the games does a very good job at acknowledging that you are a mage and no just a simple human. Compared to DAO, were you needed Morrigan/Wynne in order to talk about magical things, because the PC is clueless.

- As a human mage you are directly inserted into a big plot of the game which is the mage-templar war, you have been in the circle and are familiar with the chantry, so can have opinions about both. The people also have good reasons to fear you and call you heretic, and you can go either way from mage freedom to chantry mage.

- Corypheus and Solas are mages - the orb/the anchor is a magical only they know how to use. It makes more sense for your inquisitor to be a mage in order to learn how to use the anchor to close rifts, because you already have magic - it makes more sense for your PC to be able to control and use that power, if he knows about magic and can use it already.

[VelvetV]

A mage inquisitor should make Inquisition harder to be accepted by others, but I never felt the impact in the game. People in the world where elfs and mages are hated and feared should distrust that a mage can be a real herald. It should be a struggle to prove yourself. Imho.

 

Just imagine a Herald of Andraste getting possessed and slaughtering everyone in Skyhold, what a twist that would be.

[KaiserShep]

A mage inquisitor should make Inquisition harder to be accepted by others, but I never felt the impact in the game. People in the world where elfs and mages are hated and feared should distrust that a mage can be a real herald. It should be a struggle to prove yourself. Imho.

 

Just imagine a Herald of Andraste getting possessed and slaughtering everyone in Skyhold, what a twist that would be.

 

I guess the trick here is having this impact be felt on a gameplay level as well. Being a mage, or qunari, or maybe even an elf, could involve jumping through more hoops to overcome the mistrust and prejudice, but that would likely involve extra content exclusive to certain roles, and of course, the reverse would have to be true, like some people just outright do not want anything to do with you. Perhaps a merchant or two are inaccessible, some NPC's will not offer quests, and so on. After which, when made Inquisitor, you have to exert your authority a bit to get what you want out of people who may have been more amenable to a human.

[Master Warder Z_]

Maybe Gaspard's marshal in the Dales could mistake you for a cook

[nightscrawl]

As far as leading the Inquisition goes I don't really feel that it matters beyond the roleplay choices that you are given via dialog ("You realize I'm a mage?"). That said, I do tend to feel that the human mage has the best reason for being at the Conclave in the first place, but any story aspects provided by this are moot after you go to Val Royeaux for the first time.

[Lava_lam5]

IMO the use of magic matters less for quizzy overall since all quizzies have the Anchor.  They're all magical to some extent, and the people who would fear their magic (the Andrastian faithful) also tend to be the ones who believe quizzy is divinely chosen.  I think race would honestly play a bigger factor than magic.  If you're human, you're mostly fine.  If you're qunari, people are going to fear and hate you regardless of whether you can throw lightning around.

Unfortunely I don't think the Qunari distrust has been conveyed very well. My 2nd run through is a Qunari mage and can't say the conversation has changed from a human quizzy. Have you noticed a difference?  Qunari mage characterisation is a bit sanitised but could have been a good dynamic if was based on the saarebas look and tone of DA2

[Lethaya]

Mage Lavellans have a bit of an edge in that they've been groomed as their Keeper's first, and thus prepped for leadership, for a while now. Double edged sword, though, considering that, being Dalish, a lot of what's out there in Thedas they would be unfamiliar with (although, at least Lavellan was a bit more progressive, so those Quizzys shouldn't totally be in the dark or anything). Still, it's an interesting origin, I thought. I always liked the idea of my Lavellan looking at her leadership role in the Inquisition as her stepping up as Keeper to those who needed her. :V

[draken-heart]

I never felt that class held that big of an impact on the story. Sure there is the odd dialogue for mages, but not much. A lot of what the mage quizzy can do can be done by having the right party member or perk (outside of the tranquil options which is terrible for Roleplay really). Realistically, race is more important as people do react to your race more than class.

[Deztyn]

I think which class and race combo fits the story best depends on what your priorites are in the narrative.

 

A Human Noble rogue or warrior having greater influnce and greater acceptance makes the most sense lorewise. I can see her becoming the Herald of Andraste, revered by all good Andrastians, a lot easier than an elf, dwarf or Qunari of any class.

 

A mage Inquisitor would have a harder time being accepted, but have the best chance of making a positive long term impact on mage-mundane relations. Vivi earning enough support to become Divine only makes sense to me with a mage Inquisitor. And Divine Carebear's ending really, really only makes sense to me with a mage Inquisitor being there to counterbalance the whole "Magic almost destroying the entire world (again)" thing. (as much as it's possible for that future to make sense )

 

A Dalish Inquisitor of any class, especially if female, presents some of the most interesting roleplaying options going forward with the late game emphasis on the Elves misunderstood history, and the fact that some of their gods are still walking around Thedas.

 

I think Dwarf and mundane Qunari are a bit lacking in main story relevence. But for a player who prefers to play a convert or an athiest, hates the Chantry, or just enjoys screwing with the expectations of people inuniverse, they could still be a lot of fun to play.

[Tishina]

It's all in how you RP it. Nothing says people are automatically more likely to trust a human noble (depending on where you are on the social ladder and how you've been treated by them, you may be very wary of a noble - think of the City Elf or Dwarf Commoner Origin from DAO.) And I believe there are dialogue choices for a Trev warrior or rogue where you can basically assert you're the youngest of a very minor family. Considering the number of mages, there are a lot of family members of mages running around, and some of them will think "my little brother who was dragged away" rather than "scary demon-loving monster" when mages are brought up. Plus, the Chantry essentially tolerates mages exactly so they can be thrown at the big, world-threatening dangers...like Corypheus. And there are perfectly good reasons for all of the races to be there, though I think they left them a little too vague to allow people to RP the details.

 

I'm disappointed that your choices don't influence much except whether or not your companions stick by you - there are some choices in-game that I think would put a serious dent in the Inquisition forces and in support for the Inquisition.

[ThomasBlaine]

From a PR standpoint, I think being seen as "blessed by Andraste" would compensate for being a mage, and might even favorably affect the overall image of mages in Thedas. It makes a certain poetic sense, Andraste giving one "repentant" mage the power to finally atone for the deeds of old and redeem his people. What makes the mage Inquisitor unsuitable for his position in my opinion is the likely lack of both streetsmarts and leadership experience that comes with living at the Circle. Having traveled as an apostate and fought in the mage/templar war might substitute for those, though.

 

Personally I prefer my Quizzies mundane simply because having two different sets of extraordinary magical powers from two different sources feels Mary Sue/Marty-Stu-ish.

 

On the other hand, Elven and Qunari Inquisitors in general are completely out of place. One is a nomad with no connections or experience with the civilized world, considered a second-class citizen at best and an outlaw at worst, and the other is basically an immigrant mercenary from Nazi Germany, almost a public enemy. Neither obvious choices of leadership for an international intelligence/law enforcement agency. The Dwarf Inquisitor makes a bit more sense, Carta operations and Inquisition work being similar enough that his/her expertise should overlap somewhat, although it would take some doing to prove that.