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A Dalish Inquisitor of any class, especially if female, presents some of the most interesting roleplaying options going forward with the late game emphasis on the Elves misunderstood history, and the fact that some of their gods are still walking around Thedas.

I most definitely agree. In RP respects the Elven, female and Mage aspects create the richest experience in my opinion. As a First you are already being groomed for leadership and have to deal with being a shark out of water as an Elf and Mage. As a Mage you were warned against attracting the attention of Templars by your Keeper and as Dalish Mages are considered Apostates by the Chantry and hunted, albeit not as rigorously, not to mention all the horrible things the Chantry has done to your people. All of this gives you an emotional stake in various themes and choices, more so than other races and classes. There is also more weight added to the decision regarding the Well of Sorrows. Also the Female Elf is the only gender and race that can romance The Dread Wolf himself.


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Comparing the Qunari to National socialist Germany is insulting to the Germans

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I most definitely agree. In RP respects the Elven, female and Mage aspects create the richest experience in my opinion. As a First you are already being groomed for leadership and have to deal with being a shark out of water as an Elf and Mage. As a Mage you were warned against attracting the attention of Templars by your Keeper and as Dalish Mages are considered Apostates by the Chantry and hunted, albeit not as rigorously, not to mention all the horrible things the Chantry has done to your people. All of this gives you an emotional stake in various themes and choices, more so than other races and classes. There is also more weight added to the decision regarding the Well of Sorrows. Also the Female Elf is the only gender and race that can romance The Dread Wolf himself.

 

That does sound great. I just don't see the Dalish PC being cut out for the actual job of being Inquisitor, besides the whole closing Rifts thing.



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I'd compare them to a extreme version of Plato's ideal republic
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I'd compare them to a extreme version of Plato's ideal republic


It would be more accurate anyway.
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It's all in how you RP it. Nothing says people are automatically more likely to trust a human noble (depending on where you are on the social ladder and how you've been treated by them, you may be very wary of a noble - think of the City Elf or Dwarf Commoner Origin from DAO.) And I believe there are dialogue choices for a Trev warrior or rogue where you can basically assert you're the youngest of a very minor family. Considering the number of mages, there are a lot of family members of mages running around, and some of them will think "my little brother who was dragged away" rather than "scary demon-loving monster" when mages are brought up. Plus, the Chantry essentially tolerates mages exactly so they can be thrown at the big, world-threatening dangers...like Corypheus. And there are perfectly good reasons for all of the races to be there, though I think they left them a little too vague to allow people to RP the details.

 

I'm disappointed that your choices don't influence much except whether or not your companions stick by you - there are some choices in-game that I think would put a serious dent in the Inquisition forces and in support for the Inquisition.

 

Eh. We're talking about the Andrastian masses and the people with power and influence in the Andrastian nations. They're more likely to accept a human Inquisitor, because they are mostly human. Or dirty unwashed elves of no importance. Maybe a tiny handful of Surface Dwarves like Varric. The noble part is less important than the human part. And the Trevelyans aren't the most influential family, but they are large, generally well regarded and Josephine will mention that the Trevelyan's noble status does grant them some influence in Val Royeaux. Not as much as she would have liked, but there's also the implication it's not because the Trevelyans aren't noteworthy enough, but because they are Marchers and thus automatically inferior. She also mentions that one of the Trevelyan's parties were must attends for everyone important in the Free Marches. So they're not an insignificant family.

 

There actually aren't that many mages running around. Few enough to fit into 15 Circles across all the Andrastian nations. And their relations are just as likely to think "my little brother who accidentally burned the whole house down when he had a nightmare" or if you're Meredith "My beloved sister who wasn't dragged away and then turned into an abomination and slaughtered my entire village including our family". Fear and distrust of mages isn't solely out of the belief they are all evil monsters. Just that they're dangerous, sometimes even when they don't want to be. That's an attitude that was prevelent even before Kirkwall, the attempted assassination of the Divine by a blood mage, the Mage-Templar war ravaging the countryside and of course the actual death of the Divine by magic and of course the creation of a gigantic hole in the sky that spits out demons.

 

Anyway, I firmly believe a mage Inquisitor can amass enough goodwill to sway public opinion, especially if you also had mage assistance closing the Breach. I just think they should garner a lot more distrust by default.

 

The only time we really see that reflected in game is at the Winter Palace and even then it's only a tiny bit of Court Approval.

 

I most definitely agree. In RP respects the Elven, female and Mage aspects create the richest experience in my opinion. As a First you are already being groomed for leadership and have to deal with being a shark out of water as an Elf and Mage. As a Mage you were warned against attracting the attention of Templars by your Keeper and as Dalish Mages are considered Apostates by the Chantry and hunted, albeit not as rigorously, not to mention all the horrible things the Chantry has done to your people. All of this gives you an emotional stake in various themes and choices, more so than other races and classes. There is also more weight added to the decision regarding the Well of Sorrows. Also the Female Elf is the only gender and race that can romance The Dread Wolf himself.

 

I think Human Inquisitors make the most sense from an in-universe perspective, but Dalish Mage romancing Solas is absolutely my favorite story for all of these reasons. :wub:


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I'd compare them to a extreme version of Plato's ideal republic

 

True. I needed a point of comparison most people would get without having to look it up though, and Nazis are safer targets than Islamic extremists.

 

Eh. We're talking about the Andrastian masses and the people with power and influence in the Andrastian nations. They're more likely to accept a human Inquisitor, because they are mostly human. Or dirty unwashed elves of no importance. Maybe a tiny handful of Surface Dwarves like Varric. The noble part is less important than the human part. And the Trevelyans aren't the most influential family, but they are large, generally well regarded and Josephine will mention that the Trevelyan's noble status does grant them some influence in Val Royeaux. Not as much as she would have liked, but there's also the implication it's not because the Trevelyans aren't noteworthy enough, but because they are Marchers and thus automatically inferior. She also mentions that one of the Trevelyan's parties were must attends for everyone important in the Free Marches. So they're not an insignificant family.

 

 

I think Human Inquisitors make the most sense from an in-universe perspective, but Dalish Mage romancing Solas is absolutely my favorite story for all of these reasons. :wub:

 

The Trevelyans have also specifically ingratiated themselves with the Chantry, giving the human Herald of Andraste further credibility.



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True. I needed a point of comparison most people would get without having to look it up though, and Nazis are safer targets than Islamic extremists.

I'm fairly certain most are familiar with Plato but I see your point

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I'm fairly certain most are familiar with Plato but I see your point

 

Most people are, vaguely, but not necessarily with his specific thoughts on the ideal republic. I needed to look it up myself. Not that that's a bad thing, it was very interesting and a spot-on comparison.



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Most people are, vaguely, but not necessarily with his specific thoughts on the ideal republic. I needed to look it up myself. Not that that's a bad thing, it was very interesting and a spot-on comparison.

I love histor. The good the bad, I just happened to see a fun similarity it works both way I say something another person says something equalvelent exchange at work

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"Mundane."

 

Lolz. 



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"Mundane."

Lolz.


Beats freak :P

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I love histor. The good the bad, I just happened to see a fun similarity it works both way I say something another person says something equalvelent exchange at work

 

Mhm, it's interesting to see actual historical tendencies and influences in-game, rather than dealing with utterly generic fantasy cultures.

 

Beats freak :P

Or muggle.



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I never got that limey insult to be honest.

It's a bad thing not to be a abnormal being who attracts demons like flies?

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Mhm, it's interesting to see actual historical tendencies and influences in-game, rather than dealing with utterly generic fantasy cultures.

Or muggle.

to a point longs as it doesn't directly influence the story I enjoy picking up on it. Then again I'm preferential to "generic fantasy cultures"

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I never got that limey insult to be honest.

It's a bad thing not to be a abnormal being who attracts demons like flies?

I prefer the terms
non-mages:
"Magically inert "

"Mana deaf"

Mages:
"Mana-attuned"

"Mana-drinkers"


Much more polite

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As a normal person, I would be concerned if the only individual capable of saving the world from portals directly into the reality of demons were, themselves, one bad day away from being a demon's meat-suit.

 

So I probably agree with the OP's idea that a normal person 'fits' better for the overall arc of the story.


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I did notice in the beginning of the game, Solas seems slightly surprised if you are a mage....which makes me wonder if there's some lore reason he was expecting a non mage to show up with the anchor? But that's purely speculation on my part.

For the most part I didn't feel like it mattered much one way or the other, outside my own head canon for how I wanted to rp my character. The anchor comes to define the Inquisitor more than being a mage. It does feel like the Inquisitor is supposed to be somewhat of an unorthodox figure though, seeing how the Inquisition are considered heretics for harboring you at first. But that could easily be due to the Inquisitor not being human, or some other reason.



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I always enjoy playing mage more than the other classes, and against Corypheus it was only all the better, going toe-to-toe with an ancient magister, supped up on lyrium steroids, while blowing up the neck of his dragon. "Feeble magicks," indeed. 


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That does sound great. I just don't see the Dalish PC being cut out for the actual job of being Inquisitor, besides the whole closing Rifts thing.

 

that is kind of par for the course right now. In Origins you go from being a nobody/noble/mage/whatever, and wind up not only in the Grey Wardens, but the only real REMAINING warden (making him the SENIOR warden in Ferelden) alongside you decides to let YOU lead, with no real experience leading anything at all.



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that is kind of par for the course right now. In Origins you go from being a nobody/noble/mage/whatever, and wind up not only in the Grey Wardens, but the only real REMAINING warden (making him the SENIOR warden in Ferelden) alongside you decides to let YOU lead, with no real experience leading anything at all.

 

Not entirely. The 2 noble origins (dwarf and human) both have experience leading and commanding soldiers. Not a lot of experience, but enough to be notable. Definitely true for the other 4 origins though.


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that is kind of par for the course right now. In Origins you go from being a nobody/noble/mage/whatever, and wind up not only in the Grey Wardens, but the only real REMAINING warden (making him the SENIOR warden in Ferelden) alongside you decides to let YOU lead, with no real experience leading anything at all.

Not the same situation at all. Taking vague control of a ragtag bunch of misfits on an independent diplomatic mission because the guy who's supposed to be in charge doesn't want to is one thing. Taking official command of a continent-spanning intelligence agency with hundreds of agents and its own standing army sticking its nose in everybody's business when you've lived in the woods all your life is absurd. In Origins you had no actual choice and nobody else was in a position to do what was necessary except Alistair, and he was too spineless. In Inquisition, everybody somehow reaches a consensus and decides that you'd be perfect for the job, even though you obviously aren't.



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Anyone can do mental gymnastics come up with any number of reasons why one particular combination is the "right" one.

And, ultimately, it will be up to each person what they prefer.

 

Some like the "stick it to the Man" approach so they go with elf and mage. Others, myself included, prefer the "fight to stop everything you love from being destroyed" and go with Human and normal.

 
 
 

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That's just as ignorant as the people you're talking about, JB.

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That's just as ignorant as the people you're talking about, JB.

 

Pardon?