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[Master Warder Z_]

Why is it "vastly" more probable?

Why do you engage?

[Lady Artifice]

Because otherwise, the Maker would have to A. exist, and B. literally be willing to intervene multiple times for the sake of a (married) pretty voice.

 

It's not possible that she was like the Inquisitor? Charismatic, inspiring, skilled at leadership, and occasionally lucky? 

 

Legends hardly ever reflect the reality. 

[Xilizhra]

It's not possible that she was like the Inquisitor? Charismatic, inspiring, skilled at leadership, and occasionally lucky? 

 

Legends hardly ever reflect the reality. 

And had some kind of magical McGuffin attached to her? I suppose that's possible too, but since there's no evidence of such a thing, being a mage is the least extraordinary claim, which requires the least extraordinary evidence.

 

It should be noted that both the Hero of Ferelden and the Herald of Andraste were made by magic (in the latter's case, solely due to the efforts of two mages), and Hawke was ultimately not that important in the long run. The precedent exists.

[Lady Artifice]

Why do you engage?

 

This is the most ironic post in the history of ever. 

[Master Warder Z_]

This is the most ironic post in the history of ever.

I gave arguing with that person a long time ago.



I think it was around the time they said Tevinter enslaving the known world would solve everything.

[Lady Artifice]

And had some kind of magical McGuffin attached to her? I suppose that's possible too, but since there's no evidence of such a thing, being a mage is the least extraordinary claim, which requires the least extraordinary evidence.

 

Maybe I'm forgetting some important part of the lore, but I don't understand why she would need to have something magical about her at all. She did extraordinary things, but I don't remember them being inherently magical. Her visions are a thing, granted, but that could be a fiction in universe. Some rumor that spread amongst her followers. 

 

 

It should be noted that both the Hero of Ferelden and the Herald of Andraste were made by magic (in the latter's case, solely due to the efforts of two mages), and Hawke was ultimately not that important in the long run. The precedent exists.

 

I'm not sure I understand this part. The precedent is that only mages shape Thedasian history?

[Xilizhra]

I gave arguing

You probably could have ended your post with that and been just as accurate.

 

 

Maybe I'm forgetting some important part of the lore, but I don't understand why she would need to have something magical about her at all. She did extraordinary things, but I don't remember them being inherently magical. Her visions are a thing, granted, but that could be a fiction in universe. Some rumor that spread amongst her followers. 

Didn't she outright talk about her supernatural communications? If she hadn't, then any religious awakening that sprang up around her at all would have been an utter fabrication, and that seems unlikely.

 

 

I'm not sure I understand this part. The precedent is that only mages shape Thedasian history?

I think that there have been implications that certain DA PCs are somehow echoing Andraste in their actions and roles, though some of my bits of evidence for this might be hallucinations.

[Lady Artifice]

Didn't she outright talk about her supernatural communications? If she hadn't, then any religious awakening that sprang up around her at all would have been an utter fabrication, and that seems unlikely.

 

So the stories say. I just wouldn't put it past her followers to put words in her mouth. Interpreting Andraste has always been a game of "how well can I twist this to my purposes?"

 

I'd bet that the writers have never actually planned out the truth about Andraste, because all that Thedas will ever know is her legend. The existence and involvement of the Maker, in particular, really needs to be ambiguous. 

[MisterJB]

Right, so I guess she was a mundane who just happened to be able to do impossible magical stuff (miracles). Then again... That is true for a mundane Inquisitor too. Maybe Andraste also had an anchor?

 

We don't know if she did any impossible stuff; it's just as possible all she did was take advantage of the natural disasters that followed a Blight that lasted for 200 years.

And it's also possible the Maker did help her.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

Songs that made spirits weep.

Sounds miraculous to me.

[MisterJB]

Songs that made spirits weep.

Sounds miraculous to me.

 

Or just metaphorical.
 

[Master Warder Z_]

Or just metaphorical.

True.

But it being otherwise would be nice.

[KaiserShep]

We don't know if she did any impossible stuff; it's just as possible all she did was take advantage of the natural disasters that followed a Blight that lasted for 200 years.

And it's also possible the Maker did help her.
 

It'd be funny if the Tevinters were right and she turned out to be a mage.

[Master Warder Z_]

It'd be funny if the Tevinters were right and she turned out to be a mage.

Just as funny if they were wrong and God did get that pissed at their people.

Pillars of salt and all.

[Br3admax]

Maybe my hearing is going, but I've never confused 'some people hold -x- view' with 'everyone holds -x- view.' Don't really sound the same, technical differences and completely different scopes aside.

Which would be fine, if that was what was actually said. However, here the phrasing was, "Some people hold this view, but we others don't." Such broad brushstrokes have been used all over the place here, so it's not like I'm going to pick this one thread to be the first were they aren't used.  

[SgtSteel91]

I played as a Human Female Warrior but was Pro-Mage, Pro-non-Humans, and Chantry critical.

[Dean_the_Young]

Right, so I guess she was a mundane who just happened to be able to do impossible magical stuff (miracles). Then again... That is true for a mundane Inquisitor too. Maybe Andraste also had an anchor?

 

Considering that the impossible magic stuff she did was pretty much beyond the capabilities of most of the archmages we've seen, I'd go with 'she was an Old God Baby' before 'she was a merely a mage.'

[Dean_the_Young]

Which would be fine, if that was what was actually said. However, here the phrasing was, "Some people hold this view, but we others don't." Such broad brushstrokes have been used all over the place here, so it's not like I'm going to pick this one thread to be the first were they aren't used.  

 

Except the phrasing was 'but we others.' It was simply 'others, myself included'- which only sounds like 'everyone else' if you really, really try.

[Kakistos_]

I think that, story wise and looking forward to future games, that a Female Dalish Mage is the most rewarding and has the most potential of any Inquisitor mainly for two reasons: The Well of Sorrows and Solas.

 

The discovery of the Well of Sorrows and the Ancient Elves therein has huge implications for the world, Elves, Dalish and otherwise, specifically. A Dalish Keeper choosing to gain the power of the Well, an ancient Elvhen artifact, over Morrigan will, I think, have much more of an impact than say, a human stealing yet another piece of Elvhen history or any other race.

 

And then there is The Dread Wolf in the flesh. Solas will undoubtedly return in some capacity. A savior? An antagonist? Who knows? But remember that only Female Elves are able to romance him. The potential dynamic of wielding the power of the Well, becoming a beacon of something for Elves, being under the sway of Mythal and loving The Dread Wolf makes for a far more interesting story and world state than any other combination in my opinion.

[Master Warder Z_]

Elves pfft.

[Dabrikishaw]

Much like the question of which Origns is the best to be a Grey Warden, the correct answer to ''Mage vs. Mundane as Inquisitor'' is both of them.