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[Commander Rpg]

What obligation does the U.S. have to save them if they renounced their citizenship.

Renouncing to citizenship isn't like renouncing to be a human being.

[Rorschachinstein]

Renouncing to citizenship isn't like renouncing to be a human being.

Exactley . The government isn't a living breathing force for goodness. The government isn't a super hero. It's an organization tasked with protecting it's citizens and their interests. Which is why you have the coast guard coming to save you if you get lost at sea or why you get drafted. Maybe some church will save them, maybe the red cross, but that's it.

[Seboist]

Those women are asking for help. You're saying it's right to deny help because they have made a heavy mistake. This mindset explains also why death penalty - and inhuman life-sentence - is still active in the U.S. plus other divinely enlightened countries.

 

Innocent or not, they want help because they will die, most probably. You'd deny help to a person, the one that betrayed you, even when she clearly fears for her life. It's the most irresponsible way to deal with humanity, and this mindset states you two are unerring whilst others are not. Pray you don't ever make a mistake, you won't be forgiven by others like you.

 

Spare me the high horse preaching, they deliberately traveled to over to Syria become groupies for men that throw people off of buildings and do crucifixions and other such atrocities against Iraqis and Syrians. That's not a "mistake",they deserve everything they'll get from their former gang.

 

[Kaiser Shepard]

Those women are asking for help. You're saying it's right to deny help because they have made a heavy mistake. This mindset explains also why death penalty - and inhuman life-sentence - is still active in the U.S. plus other divinely enlightened countries.

 

Innocent or not, they want help because they will die, most probably. You'd deny help to a person, the one that betrayed you, even when she clearly fears for her life. It's the most irresponsible way to deal with humanity, and this mindset states you two are unerring whilst others are not. Pray you don't ever make a mistake, you won't be forgiven by others like you.

 

All of that is of no relevance or consequence to me, nor are you as enlightened as you try to imagine you are. Of course they're fearing for their life now; but so would someone idiotic enough to crawl into the lion's den at the zoo. Doesn't mean that they suddenly deserve our pity or mercy, though, but rather that they should've evaluated their choices before actually making them.

[Commander Rpg]

Exactly

Exactly not, you missed the point of my post.

 

"If you close your ear to the cry of the poor, you will cry out and not be heard."

[Commander Rpg]

All of that is of no relevance or consequence to me, nor are you as enlightened as you try to imagine you are. Of course they're fearing for their life now; but so would someone idiotic enough to crawl into the lion's den at the zoo. Doesn't mean that they suddenly deserve our pity or mercy, though, but rather that they should've evaluated their choices before actually making them.

So you choose who deserves mercy and who doesn't. Using which criteria, if they are ever objective? It's rhethorical, it's useless to answer.

[Rorschachinstein]

All of that is of no relevance or consequence to me, nor are you as enlightened as you try to imagine you are. Of course they're fearing for their life now; but so would someone idiotic enough to crawl into the lion's den at the zoo. Doesn't mean that they suddenly deserve our pity or mercy, though, but rather that they should've evaluated their choices before actually making them.

I find it infuriating when people try to take a stand with the whole "are you really going to do nothing" speech. Your ass isn't going out there to save them. Why should it be the job of someone that doesn't want to.

[Rorschachinstein]

Exactly not, you missed the point of my post.
 
"If you close your ear to the cry of the poor, you will cry out and not be heard."

Poe's Law brother.

[Commander Rpg]

I find it infuriating when people try to take a stand with the whole "are you really going to do nothing" speech. Your ass isn't going out there to save them. Why should it be the job of someone that doesn't want to.

If someone betrays you and later asks for forgiveness, you would still not be giving mercy because he doesn't deserve it. He betrayed you, he can go **** himself for good.

[Commander Rpg]

Poe's Law brother.

It's 2005 stuff and it's not even funny to read.

[Rorschachinstein]

If someone betrays you and later asks for forgiveness, you would still not be giving mercy because he doesn't deserve it. He betrayed you, he can go **** himself for good.

That's a warrior mentality.

[Kaiser Shepard]

So you choose who deserves mercy and who doesn't. Using which criteria, if they are ever objective? It's rhethorical, it's useless to answer.

 

I'll answer anyway, as you're still not as smart as you think you are: I choose simply going by who is and who isn't too dumb to live. It has nothing to do with this weird betrayal thing you seem to be stuck on, but rather some broads making several decisions that go straight against basic human survival instinct.

 

There is no value in saving them, as there is no value in their decision making abilities as enlightened human beings. There's no hope for them becoming worthwhile wives for a western husband, nor would I trust them with the even bigger responsibility of raising a child.

[slimgrin]

http://www.dailymail...TED-caught.html

Hello to any Brits on here, do you think these people should be allowed to return to the UK, and if so, should they be or not be jailed?

 

Nope. Let Isis deal with them. Keep extremists out of civilized countries. It's telling indeed that many of these nutjobs joining Isis were second generation Muslims who grew up in the lap of luxury. 

[Rorschachinstein]

Nope. Let Isis deal with them. Keep extremists out of civilized countries. It's telling indeed that many of these nutjobs joining Isis were second generation Muslims who grew up in the lap of luxury.

Can anyone actually explain this to me. I find it funny that the same people that speak about misoginy and oppression are the same people who defend radical Islam. I just shake my head. How many people on here have actually been in a Muslim country for more than a few days? for more than a few weeks? for more than a month? and not as a tourist? When I was in Paktika, the females weren't even allowed to eat in the same room as the males. They were given the scraps we didn't eat after we were finished.

[metatheurgist]

They're teenagers that probably thought it'd be great to run away with a boy in a foreign country. I seriously doubt they even considered the rest of the crap ISIS stands for. They're sheltered Muslim girls, who probably did what they did because of a lack of education. They should be used to educate other naïve women thinking the same way. There are also European girls that could use that same education.

[slimgrin]

Can anyone actually explain this to me. I find it funny that the same people that speak about misoginy and oppression are the same people who defend radical Islam. I just shake my head. How many people on here have actually been in a Muslim country for more than a few days? for more than a few weeks? for more than a month? and not as a tourist? When I was in Paktika, the females weren't even allowed to eat in the same room as the males. They were given the scraps we didn't eat after we were finished.

 

The west - and I say that in broad terms, meaning U.S, Canada, western Europe - is desperately clinging to the multicultural pipe dream. Add to that a far left brand of liberals who delight in tearing down their own culture. They'll excuse anything in the name of political correctness or acceptance. Practical thinking goes right out the window. Look at what all the major European leaders said after the Hebdo attacks. They were tripping all over themselves to be the first to excuse Islam.

[Xerxes52]

Bring them in and pump them for intel. After that they can be either imprisoned for the rest of their lives or used as propaganda tools on how crazy ISIS is, depending on whether they were lured there because they were stupid or that they actually bought into this death cult.

[The Hierophant]

If they make it back to the UK, alive, can they be trusted? Also if they're accepted back then that means there's a possibility that ISIS's fighters could return, face no legal repurcussions, and possibly radicalize kids with their beliefs.

[Fast Jimmy]

That's a warrior mentality.

Considering ISIS has declared war on pretty much the entire planet who doesn't subscribe to their extreme fanaticism and mafia-esque extortion criminal schemes, I don't see why a wariror's mentality shouldn't be assumed.

[Silvair]

Isis is just thugs using religion as an excuse to rape and plunder. Adults join for that reason. Men join to have sex slaves, youths join because they think rebellion is cool, and women join because they get off on the dominant bad boys.

I seriously wonder how many are actual religious extremists

[slimgrin]

If they make it back to the UK, alive, can they be trusted? Also if they're accepted back then that means there's a possibility that ISIS's fighters could return, face no legal repurcussions, and possibly radicalize kids with their beliefs.

 European countries are already trying to do this, trying to rehabilitate extremism. Lol. I'll get out the popcorn.

[Fast Jimmy]

European countries are already trying to do this, trying to rehabilitate extremism. Lol. I'll get out the popcorn.

It can be done, on an individual level at least.

But it requires a complete reboot, using intense, harsh methods. I'm not talking torture or physical abuse, but more like what you see in some of the most successful drug rehab clinics - at least one year of lockdown, minimal outside contact, intense structure/scheduling, constant evaluation and therapy... in the words of Skinner "give me a child and I'll shape him into anything." One need only apply nearly constant effort.

Not voluntary weekly support groups or whatever passes for the rehab programs they have in place. That's not addressing the core fundamental issue at play, nor reaching the most hardline subscribers to this type of ideology.

[The Hierophant]

European countries are already trying to do this, trying to rehabilitate extremism. Lol. I'll get out the popcorn.

Rehabilitate? Hilarious. It's more like they tolerate, and ignore it.

[Sully13]

Woooow its as though runing away to join a RADICALISED TERRORIST EXTREMIST RELIGIOUS GROUP WHO REGULARLY KILLS MUTALATES AND RAPES ON A REGULAR BASIS WAS A BAD IDEA.

 

back in my day if we wanted to p*ss off mummy and daddy we got a tattoo.

hell the guy who got his face tattoo'd like as skull makes a liveing out of it.    

[Inquisitor Recon]

What idiots. They should have thought about this before they ran off.

 

Some of those ISIS videos, one moment it shows barbarious acts followed jihadis having a great time and saying stuff like "Come to Jihad, you will not believe it, it is time of your life!" like it's some sort of Disneyland. There is something hilariously surreal about it all.