And it begins.No you see, they're allowed to exist, they just can't be too LGBT.
If they're LGBT but still like the opposite sex like DA:O and DA2, then it's juuust fine.
But a 100% LGBT character? Oh noez! something something IMMERSION something.
And it begins.
We should just skip some steps and have you call me a homophobe now, save some time.
Just like the romance threads all over. Man oh man did they get heated. It was GREATLY entertaining though. It will be good reading before this thread gets locked.
Brb gonna make some popcorn.
No you see, they're allowed to exist, they just can't be too LGBT.
If they're LGBT but still like the opposite sex like DA:O and DA2, then it's juuust fine.
But a 100% LGBT character? Oh noez! something something IMMERSION something.
A writer wouldnt typically state they only included something because of an agenda, even if they did.
Only Dorian is likely a self projection. Gaider, we know, putba lot of heart and soul in writing that character. None of the other characters have their sexual orientation become a plot point because in Thedas its not a big deal, but Dorian does, and in place of more important ideas like being a political rebel. But no, it all turns into a classic "My father doesnt like Im gay" story. Its so typical, i can only see Gaider, who knows that, doing it if it has some kind of personal meaning for him.
The "gotta include everyone" and "companion sexuality checklist" that will both ward off cultural critics, promote what they think is right and please the fans. Everybody wins.It's all good as long as it's a quiet part of their character that the player can safely ignore. But actually addressing it? Having it affect the character's life? Heaven forbid!
What agenda are you talking about? The "let's not sweep gay people under the rug and pretend they don't exist agenda"?
I disagree.
I've never had any run ins with you before and I'm sure you're just sharing your opinion, but if I'm honest this feels a bit like grasping at straws to me. I clearly stated I never felt this way in previous games and characters of all kinds were included yet you still tell me despite that their very existence is the only way you can understand my objecting.
To me I cannot understand how someone CAN'T get that feeling when playing DAI. That's not to say that I don't believe they do. It's just such a huge part of the game you can't miss it.
I'm not saying you're wrong for how you feel - that'd be silly. You perceive things as you do. I just can't wrap my head around the actual facts that lead you to think that DAI is different. If anything, I would have thought DA2 would be the standout for openly pushing sexuality, seeing as how Anders/Fenris will flirt with a male PC and Isabella will be all over a female one.
Honestly, to me sexual diversity is a smaller part of DA:I than DA2, and about as small as in DA:O. Sexuality really only comes up with three NPCs - the iB (because of his banter with Dorian), Dorian's personal quest, and Sera/Dorian shooting down an opposite gender PC.
Only Dorian is likely a self projection. Gaider, we know, putba lot of heart and soul in writing that character. None of the other characters have their sexual orientation become a plot point because in Thedas its not a big deal, but Dorian does, and in place of more important ideas like being a political rebel. But no, it all turns into a classic "My father doesnt like Im gay" story. Its so typical, i can only see Gaider, who knows that, doing it if it has some kind of personal meaning for him.
I think you missed the point of Dorian's arc. The issue isn't that he's gay per se, it's that he's not willing to get married and breed out the next heir to the house. His loving the dick seems to really be a side issue in the whole affair if you ask me.
Well, it's quite different in diversity because DA:O/DA2 didn't have any homosexual characters, barring potentially yours.
I'm not seeing how someone being gay versus being bi even matters, aside from representational purposes. But for an outsider who apparently does not care for LGBT content?
The "gotta include everyone" and "companion sexuality checklist" that will both ward off cultural critics, promote what they think is right and please the fans. Everybody wins.
The "gotta include everyone" and "companion sexuality checklist" that will both ward off cultural critics, promote what they think is right and please the fans. Everybody wins.
No you see, they're allowed to exist, they just can't be too LGBT.
If they're LGBT but still like the opposite sex like DA:O and DA2, then it's juuust fine.
But a 100% LGBT character? Oh noez! something something IMMERSION something.
Cassandra sexuality doesn't mater.
Josephine Leliana, Cullen sexuality doesn't mater.
Sera sexuality doesn't mater.
Blackwall sexuality doesn't mater.
Ironbull sexuality doesn't mater??
Viviena sexuality doesn't mater.
Cole sexuality doesn't mater.
Varric sexuality doesn't mater.
Solas sexuality doesn't mater.
Dorian sexuality main focus of character.
DA:I marketing First gay companion not first Teviter.
I get your point but I think you mean the LG part only.
Hmmm true... But LGBT has turned into a word for me by now, it just seems weird without the BT part 
And it begins.
We should just skip some steps and have you call me a homophobe now, save some time.
Allow me to return the favour; feel free to call me an SJW right now, that'll save us some time as well.
Cassandra sexuality doesn't mater.
Josephine Leliana, Cullen sexuality doesn't mater.
Sera sexuality doesn't mater.
Blackwall sexuality doesn't mater.
Ironbull sexuality doesn't mater??
Viviena sexuality doesn't mater.
Cole sexuality doesn't mater.
Varric sexuality doesn't mater.
Solas sexuality doesn't mater.
Dorian sexuality main focus of character.
DA:I marketing First gay companion not first Teviter.
Why wouldn't they marketing having an openly gay character? They're one of the few videogames to do it. It'd be stupid not to market it.
Of course they didn't market Dorian as the first Tevinter companion. We already had Fenris.Cassandra sexuality doesn't mater.
Josephine Leliana, Cullen sexuality doesn't mater.
Sera sexuality doesn't mater.
Blackwall sexuality doesn't mater.
Ironbull sexuality doesn't mater??
Viviena sexuality doesn't mater.
Cole sexuality doesn't mater.
Varric sexuality doesn't mater.
Solas sexuality doesn't mater.
Dorian sexuality main focus of character.
DA:I marketing First gay companion not first Teviter.
Cassandra sexuality doesn't mater.
Josephine Leliana, Cullen sexuality doesn't mater.
Sera sexuality doesn't mater.
Blackwall sexuality doesn't mater.
Ironbull sexuality doesn't mater??
Viviena sexuality doesn't mater.
Cole sexuality doesn't mater.
Varric sexuality doesn't mater.
Solas sexuality doesn't mater.
Dorian sexuality main focus of character.
DA:I marketing First gay companion not first Teviter.
Maybe if people didn't make such a big problem about gay people existing then maybe they wouldn't need to advertise it so much.
That said; most of the DA marketing had a male character in the spotlight, for DA:O Leliana was showing a bit more skin than may be healthy for a rogue in the snow in the videos and Isabela has her own CG artwork, probably because BOOBS.
Sooooo your point....? That the marketing department is just a bunch of assholes trying to get as much money as possible?.
I didnt say that. However, when you have a trans character that only exists to be trans, and an equal number of each sexual identity in your romance options (well until they added Cullen and Solas, which makes an argument they are catering to women; that is neither a problem, nor the point though), its obvious they didnt just randomly make someone gay here and there. The best gay character is one whose sexuality is tacked on;and by that i mean, is not the raison d'etre of the character, but just a character trait like their eye colour or height.Why is having no LBGT characters somehow some important principled stand here?
See?
so instead of showing us in that side quest the fact Dorian didn't do his duty to continue his family line and have some kids we are shown his dad tried blood magic to change Dorian's gay-ness. This is just stupid plot line.
Instead they could have focused on Dorian not getting married and having children as the core of the plot.
"Right" is a subjective term.I think you mean: promote what is right, and maybe lose a couple fans they don't want anyway.
I think you're correct! Everybody wins.
Well at least we're being straight with each other.Hmmm true... But LGBT has turned into a word for me by now, it just seems weird without the BT part
Allow me to return the favour; feel free to call me an SJW right now, that'll save us some time as well.
"Right" is a subjective term.
I didnt say that. However, when you have a trans character that only exists to be trans, and an equal number of each sexual identity in your romance options (well until they added Cullen and Solas, which makes an argument they are catering to women; that is neither a problem, nor the point though), its obvious they didnt just randomly make someone gay here and there. The best gay character is one whose sexuality is tacked on;and by that i mean, is not the raison d'etre of the character, but just a character trait like their eye colour or height.
I don't think we're on the same page here. Being transgendered isn't about sexual orientation; it's about gender identity. I know it gets looped into the LGBT band (and there are pros and cons with it) but I think it's a mistake to try to reduce it to sexuality. More to the point, you're wrong about Krem. He's not in the game simply to represented a gender identity. He's in the game - just like the rest of the Charges - to be Bull's morality pet. That's why you get the whole scene with all of the Chargers before you can trigger Demands of the Qun.
Krem's gender identity is entirely tangential. He's just another outcast. Every single one of the Charges (including the IB) are social outcasts. The fact that it so happens Krem is an outcast in Tevinter for gender identity purposes rather than e.g. being a 4th mage in a Dalish clan is besides the point.
So that's my issue with your criticism here - you seem to think characters are being shoehorned in for an identity, but to me that reads as being wholly contrary to their character arc.
Dorian needs to be an outcast for the character to work. He could be an outcast for other reasons, but his being open about his sexuality happens to be it. Krem needs to be an outcast and an exile. He could be an outcast for lots of reasons, but his gender identity happens to be it. Neither of their characters revolve around this part of their identity.
Players have to put in a lot of work to foreground gender and sexuality issues with either character.
Only Dorian is likely a self projection. Gaider, we know, putba lot of heart and soul in writing that character. None of the other characters have their sexual orientation become a plot point because in Thedas its not a big deal, but Dorian does, and in place of more important ideas like being a political rebel. But no, it all turns into a classic "My father doesnt like Im gay" story. Its so typical, i can only see Gaider, who knows that, doing it if it has some kind of personal meaning for him.
Well, I did like how it tied into the whole Tevinter eugenics thing, and how Dorian was throwing a monkey wrench in the entire thing. In any case, I don't really see the big deal with him, since Dorian's primary focus throughout the game is Tevinter's fringe elements and how Corypheus basically drives it all home.
Bring us back on topic.
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
Again, im not saying that. Though to be fair, "why not?" is not really a stronger argument to include LGBT than "why should I?" is an argument not to.Doesn't matter. "Let's exclude gay and trans people because REASONS" is a crap thing to do.
Dont get me wrong, im not saying its some terrible tramsgression. Dorian is one of my favourite characters.Well, I did like how it tied into the whole Tevinter eugenics thing, and how Dorian was throwing a monkey wrench in the entire thing. In any case, I don't really see the big deal with him, since Dorian's primary focus throughout the game is Tevinter's fringe elements and how Corypheus basically drives it all home.
Again, im not saying that. Though to be fair, "why not?" is not really a stronger argument to include LGBT than "why should I?" is an argument not to.
People dont usually like it when i say this, but there are valid reasons not to, say, handle LGBT the way DAI did (equally split).
What do you mean "equally split"? That's only sort of true for the romances, and then only if you ignore the female elf/human options (Solas, Cullen).
WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
He couldn't foresee the future
Come now, you know how identity politics convos go down.WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
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