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[KainD]

Then it doesnt exist.

Not for you, but people are different.

[KainD]

Hmm... that seems bizarrely narrow. If you really weren't interested in anyone else whatsoever then marriage would be just a formality, wouldn't it?

And it is for some people including myself.

[AlanC9]

And it is for some people including myself.

 

Which is fine, but it's not very useful when trying to talk about how other people deal with these issues

[Seraphim24]

Then it doesnt exist.

 

Almost doesn't exist, but yes, now you are getting it.

 

Edit: I see you remedied that in your second post.

 

So yeah as far as diversity, goes, a rather extreme minority.

 

I'm not sure you're using polyamory there correctly. Don Draper isn't practicing polyamory; he's just cheating.

What counts as being "truly monogamous"?

 

Kain's answer was pretty much spot on really.

[Shechinah]

If she ends up a Li, I would be happy, don't care about the reactions anymore. If she ends up as one though, making her straight would be a huge mistake, it would be best for her to be bi. I don't want this to be about straight men's reactions to her, frankly I've heard about this enough. Try thinking of trans women and how we would react to her. The cruelest thing they could do is have her be straight, the thought of making a trans woman play male to romance her would be rather disheartening. If they ever have her as a Li, I hope they think of the trans women that would want to romance her.  BioWare if you are reading this, think about this, please.

Except unless they provide additional material that suggests or state otherwise, Maevaris Tilani seems to be straight  and so it would be contradictory to that aspect of her character to make her homosexual.

 

Unless bisexuality became something that fitted within her character and previously established scenes suggesting her sexuality then that would feel like they were changing her sexuality solely so for the sake of making her romanceable which I have a dislike for. 

[KainD]

Which is fine, but it's not very useful when trying to talk about how other people deal with these issues

What issues?

[AlanC9]

What issues?

Marriage and commitment. Marriage isn't for people who can only want one particular person ever. It's about making a choice, and if you don't have other options there isn't a choice being made, right? (There's also a performative aspect, but we can leave that aside for the moment.)

I suppose this means that marriage isn't for the "truly monogamous," in your terminology.

[AlanC9]

Kain's answer was pretty much spot on really.

You sure? Most of the poly people I've met would be kind of upset at someone conflating their life choices with garden-variety cheating.

Edit: I'm just sticking up for proper terminology here. "Polyamory" requires the knowledge and consent of everyone involved; it's not just nonmonogamy.

[Shechinah]

I never mentioned for her to be lesbian.

There was never anything to indicate Anders was bi or Kaidan in Me or Cass being straight either but the point is if they make a trans woman straight, it will do harm to the actual people that she represents.

Kaidan Alenko had his lines including his semi-infamous line "losing you was like losing an arm" which he says even to male Shepard and which can be used to suggest he might have feelings towards Shepard even if he does not recognise it at the time.

 

Anders' bisexuality did not bother me because of the added lore about the Circle as well as the fact that some had speculated back in "Awakening" due to a line directed towards Nathaniel Howe that his voice actor made sound possibly flirty.

 

Cassandra has a male love interest in "Dawn of the Seeker" and though that does not exclude the possibility that she might also have an interest in women, it did show she was attracted to men.

 

I'll admit I know a bit but I am not exactly well-versed in transgenderism including the terminology so I'll apologise in advance if I accidentally make comments that might be offense; Maevaris Tilani from what I've seen and read seem to only demonstrate an interest in men. This seems to be portrayed in the comics where she was in, I believe, the Fade with her husband-in-all-but-official-name surrounded by male scantily-clad servants. That suggests to me that she is heterosexual which is why I'm saying I feel they'd have to provide something like the above examples for me to not see Tilani's sexuality as being changed because of making her romanceable.

 

Secondly and I must again apologise if I came off as offensive because that is not my intent; How would making Maevaris Tilani straight be harmful to trans women? Her sexual identity has little to nothing to do with her gender identity.    

[In Exile]

If she ends up a Li, I would be happy, don't care about the reactions anymore. If she ends up as one though, making her straight would be a huge mistake, it would be best for her to be bi. I don't want this to be about straight men's reactions to her, frankly I've heard about this enough. Try thinking of trans women and how we would react to her. The cruelest thing they could do is have her be straight, the thought of making a trans woman play male to romance her would be rather disheartening. If they ever have her as a Li, I hope they think of the trans women that would want to romance her.  BioWare if you are reading this, think about this, please.

 

I don't understand what you mean. I suppose there's an issue here with Bioware's view on gender identity for the PC (your biological gender and gender identity must match up) but I don't quite follow how this ties in with Mae being straight. 

[LightningPoodle]

My take on this (ignore me because I'm 19 and my experience is very limited) is that gender and sexuality are not the same thing, which has been proven time and again. This Maevaris person, like any other transgender person, has a sexuality. Some transgenders are attracted to the same sex and others the opposite sex. Some are also bisexuals. Including Mae into the game, and making her a romance option... neither her gender or her sexuality can conflict. It needs to be fluid. Not forced. If making her gay, straight or bisexual doesn't work for her character, then it shouldn't be done, regardless if the fanbase want it so much. If anything, I think forcing it would be more detrimental than including it. Though in all fairness, this isn't exactly calm waters. Whatever gets done, it's going to offend someone.

[MoonblaDAI]

Cass having a male Li is rather extreme, when all that happened is he kissed her on the cheek. Her preferences were rather vague before this game came out, in my opinion. I've heard many complaints about BioWare making both Anders and Kaidan bi.

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(Bold is mine) Nope, it was more than that, I assure you...

[Panda]

(Bold is mine) Nope, it was more than that, I assure you...

 

Well personally I didn't think Cass was into that guy even 1%

[Shechinah]

I struggled my whole life to become who I am and will not return to where I was, even in a video game.

It can be physically impossible for some of us to play male. It would be a shame for her to not be available to the people who care the most about her representation. I couldn't play male to romance Cass and I wouldn't for Mae either. I doubt if I would even be able to play the game, it's that important to me.

While I can understand that and I know I may sound horrible but I still feel it would be wrong to change Maevaris Tilani's sexuality for that reason because it would still be changing a part of her character solely for something related to making her romanceable. That's why I feel they'd have to provide some hints or something that would make sense within her character for her bisexuality when what has been shown so far suggests she is heterosexual.

 

If this had been a character with no pre-established sexual identity then I'd have no problem with it. It is solely because I feel like they were changing Maevaris Tilani's character solely because they decided to make her romanceable.    

 

[LightningPoodle]

These characters are not real, their sexuality is written, they aren't born with it like we are. You don't think fan service has ever been used to determine some of the character sexuality? Pleasing fan bases is what they try to do. Yeah, Cullen I'm looking at you.

 

I know they aren't real, but when you create rich characters like these in a game, you have an obligation to do it right. Sometimes that differs to what people want.

[Shechinah]

Well personally I didn't think Cass was into that guy even 1%

The movie was not the best to say the least, in my opinion. Cassandra's family didn't seem to be killed so much by magic as much as people with farming tools or non-magical weaponry and then there was the unexplained massive golem-ogre from what seemed to be out of nowhere. It could have benefited from someone overseeing the lore correction.

 

[Panda]

I don't think characters, whose sexuality is already established, sexuality should be changed. However in Mae's case there might be some space to move since she is not confirmed as straight yet though it's implied on comics.

 

In other hand I get Danielle100's point and it would be nice for players who identify with character to be able to romance them without having to play opposite gender.

 

Bioware might do new transcharacter of cource to romance, but I wonder if having trans character who has already introduced like Krem and Mae would be better, since players have already used to them and there would probaply be less noise about pandering and Bioware making trans character just for romance.

[Shechinah]

Bioware might do new transcharacter of cource to romance, but I wonder if having trans character who has already introduced like Krem and Mae would be better, since players have already used to them and there would probaply be less noise about pandering and Bioware making trans character just for romance.

Oh, how lovely that would be but I doubt that.

[LightningPoodle]

If you create characters to represent someone, you also have the responsibility of not doing those people harm.

 

Also true. So, the simplest way to go about doing this is to not make them romancable. Transgender women, they aren't all the same, they don't have all the same views on this issue, so whatever happens, it's going to offend someone within that group. Simplest way of doing it, is just not including a romance with this character. That way, they (BioWare) can focus on getting transgender right, without the worry of a romance behind it all.