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[Googleness]

I didn't think it was stupid.  The "blood magic the gay away" device was only the surface of the Dorian's quest.

 

The actual gist of the story was about a son being betrayed by his father, and how they eventually reconciled (or didn't).

The fact they focused on his sexuality rather then him not taking his role as the heir to his house is what's stupid.

Sexuality and romances should be used to advance the plot not to turn this into jerry springer show.

 

Then he keeps at it with the blood magic crap... come on...

Dragon Age from the start was one of the most sexually opened themes, except the dog and talking tree your toon could (in theory) bang anything in the game... there is even a rake and nug threesome...

so suddenly a gay character is seen in homophobic way?

weak.... very weak.

 

If instead we had a sub plot where Alexius is a competitor of Dorian's father and Dorian romanced Alexius son and left his Father's house and joined Alexius... now that's an interesting sensible plot which involves marginally gay romance and in good taste.

[Shadow Fox]

I didn't think it was stupid.  The "blood magic the gay away" device was only the surface of the Dorian's quest.

 

The actual gist of the story was about a son being betrayed by his father, and how they eventually reconciled (or didn't).

Yup the gay angle just made it more relatable to some gay men due to real life parallels.

[AresKeith]

The fact they focused on his sexuality rather then him not taking his role as the heir to his house is what's stupid.

Sexuality and romances should be used to advance the plot not to turn this into jerry springer show.

 

Then he keeps at it with the blood magic crap... come on...

Dragon Age from the start was one of the most sexually opened themes, except the dog and talking tree your toon could (in theory) bang anything in the game... there is even a rake and nug threesome...

so suddenly a gay character is seen in homophobic way?

weak.... very weak.

 

If instead we had a sub plot where Alexius is a competitor of Dorian's father and Dorian romanced Alexius son and left his Father's house and joined Alexius... now that's an interesting sensible plot which involves marginally gay romance and in good taste.

 

The focus was on him not taking the role because he was a gay and he didn't want to be forced in Tevinter's selective breeding marriages 

[Laughing_Man]

I think the forum tends to overplay the actual amount of romance-specific content you really get in this game. There's certainly a lot of companion content (non-romantic), but that's been the case for pretty much all of their games in both DA and ME.

 

Well, the story of DA:I is rather forgettable aside from specific twists like the time-magic or the epilogue cut-scene.

 

Compared to this I do remember Cassandra's romance arc as rather entertaining, and I understand that some other romance arcs are also rather memorable (not Josephine's, at least not for me).

 

So even if I exagerated (which I probably did), this is in the neighborhood of how I actually feel about it.

[Googleness]

The focus was on him not taking the role because he was a gay and he didn't want to be forced in Tevinter's selective breeding marriages 

 

See? here is the problem.

 

I don't see this as plausible plot for Dragon Age game, in past games we had bloody inter-racial bi-sexual foursome in a room with nugs and gardening equipment... all games in the series never told us Gays are something which is wrong in the dragon age universe.

with all of this openness of sexuality for the entire series suddenly Tevinter Imperium is homophobic? suddenly they have a breeding nazi regime? that's weak.

[nightscrawl]

If the characters weren't sexually orientated like they are then they would not be the same characters .

 
I think in general it would be less of an issue, and the discussion would be less vitriolic and toxic, if there were no romances in the game(s).
 
Let's just take Dorian and pretend that there are no romances in DAI. We do his quest, find out about the issues, and then have the option to be supportive or not. That's it really. So we now know that Dorian is gay. And...? Since there are no romances it really has no impact on our play other than how we RP our response to said orientation. For the gals its not "*SOB* Why won't you let me love you?!" and for the guys it's not "Ew at least dude didn't hit on me." There also wouldn't be any of the kind of talk about the ratio of straight to gay and bi romances and such.

[Ariella]

See? here is the problem.

 

I don't see this as plausible plot for Dragon Age game, in past games we had bloody inter-racial bi-sexual foursome in a room with nugs and gardening equipment... all games in the series never told us Gays are something which is wrong in the dragon age universe.

with all of this openness of sexuality for the entire series suddenly Tevinter Imperium is homophobic? suddenly they have a breeding nazi regime? that's weak.

 

There IS a codex entry about sexuality in Thedas that explains some of Tevinter's attitude. They consider it selfish, whereas in Orlais homosexuality is considered a quirk and just is. Fereldan is a bit more straitlaced about it.

 

here's a link to the text at the Wiki:

http://dragonage.wik...lity_in_Thedas 

[AresKeith]

See? here is the problem.

 

I don't see this as plausible plot for Dragon Age game, in past games we had bloody inter-racial bi-sexual foursome in a room with nugs and gardening equipment... all games in the series never told us Gays are something which is wrong in the dragon age universe.

with all of this openness of sexuality for the entire series suddenly Tevinter Imperium is homophobic? suddenly they have a breeding nazi regime? that's weak.

 

They don't view it as wrong, Tevinter considers it selfish if they don't go through with the arranged marriages 

 

Edit: ninja'd 

[Googleness]

There IS a codex entry about sexuality in Thedas that explains some of Tevinter's attitude. They consider it selfish, whereas in Orlais homosexuality is considered a quirk and just is. Fereldan is a bit more straitlaced about it.

 

here's a link to the text at the Wiki:

http://dragonage.wik...lity_in_Thedas 

 

and from this codex:

1. Nowhere is it forbidden, and sex of any kind is only considered worthy of judgment.

2. Tevinter...but actively encouraged with favored slaves.

[Shadow Fox]

See? here is the problem.

 

I don't see this as plausible plot for Dragon Age game, in past games we had bloody inter-racial bi-sexual foursome in a room with nugs and gardening equipment... all games in the series never told us Gays are something which is wrong in the dragon age universe.

with all of this openness of sexuality for the entire series suddenly Tevinter Imperium is homophobic? suddenly they have a breeding nazi regime? that's weak.

The problem wasn't Dorian being gay it was his refusal to live a lie for the sake of appearances he himself flat out tells you this.

 

His issue with his dad is his father's hypocrisy he also flat out says this.

[Googleness]

They don't view it as wrong, Tevinter considers it selfish if they don't go through with the arranged marriages 

 

Edit: ninja'd 

 

See?

so instead of showing us in that side quest the fact Dorian didn't do his duty to continue his family line and have some kids we are shown his dad tried blood magic to change Dorian's gay-ness. This is just stupid plot line.

Instead they could have focused on Dorian not getting married and having children as the core of the plot.

[AresKeith]

See?

so instead of showing us in that side quest the fact Dorian didn't do his duty to continue his family line and have some kids we are shown his dad tried blood magic to change Dorian's gay-ness. This is just stupid plot line.

Instead they could have focused on Dorian not getting married and having children as the core of the plot.

 

They did focus on this him being gay is what added to it, that was the whole reason his father tried to do that 

[Giantdeathrobot]

See?

so instead of showing us in that side quest the fact Dorian didn't do his duty to continue his family line and have some kids we are shown his dad tried blood magic to change Dorian's gay-ness. This is just stupid plot line.

Instead they could have focused on Dorian not getting married and having children as the core of the plot.

 

They did this in equal measure. The issue of Dorian not falling in line RE the breeding program is at least as discussed as his dad trying to blood magic the gay away, and the actual core of the plotline is trying to reconcile son and father (or not). If Bioware wanted to be preachy, Dorian's dad would have been yet another mustache-twirling Tevinter villain who would have tried to dominate his son once more, rather than apoligize and borderline beg Dorian to come back because he's afraid for him and the family legacy. Dorian being gay is part of that plotline, but one has to wear serious blinders to see it as the only issue being brought up.

[Shadow Fox]

See?

so instead of showing us in that side quest the fact Dorian didn't do his duty to continue his family line and have some kids we are shown his dad tried blood magic to change Dorian's gay-ness. This is just stupid plot line.

Instead they could have focused on Dorian not getting married and having children as the core of the plot.

*facepalm*

 

The focus was Dorian being betrayed by a man who he looked up to that did the exact same thing he condemned once he couldn't get his way.

 

I don't know why this has to keep being said...

[Googleness]

Dorian's dad would have been yet another mustache-twirling Tevinter villain 

 

Hahahah now  I can't get that picture out of my head.

[AlaskaThe1st]

I found this thread hilarious, also Ironic that bunch of dudes which have naked mans in their avatar will ****** so much about this...

 

http://forum.bodybui...php?t=165423231

 

OMG, they're actually ending most of their sentences with "Bruh" and "Bro". They couldn't get more stereotypical if they tried, I love it!  

[Shechinah]

I found this thread hilarious, also Ironic that bunch of dudes which have naked mans in their avatar will ****** so much about this...

 

http://forum.bodybui...php?t=165423231

 

I'd heard stories of such threads but the stories do not describe them truely...
 

[KaiserShep]

OMG, they're actually ending most of their sentences with "Bruh" and "Bro". They couldn't get more stereotypical if they tried, I love it!  

 

If you ever wanted to see what a red solo cup filled with manure looks like...

[leadintea]

While I thought Dorian's quest was cheesy because of the after school special feel to it, the fact of the matter is that his quest really wasn't all about his sexuality. As others have said, it was about the betrayal of his father as well as refusal to go along with his arranged marriage. That said, it's understandable why people thought that his entire quest was about his sexuality. I mean, he starts the entire argument with his father by telling the Inquisitor that his father doesn't approve his sleeping with men, which obviously centered the conversation around that fact for many people. He could've (and should've, IMO) started the conversation talking about his dislike towards his arranged marriage, then worked his way up from that, instead of just going straight for his sexuality, but I get the feeling that Gaider really wanted to hone in on Dorian's sexuality for that scene.

[David Gaider]

If someone doesn't like Dorian's quest because they don't think it was well-written, so be it. I'm not about to argue with them.

 

If one's objection, however, is that having a single follower quest -- out of the four followers who are gay or bisexual -- which makes their sexuality at all relevant somehow makes that the entire point of the quest or, indeed, Dorian's arc as a character...then I'm afraid I'll simply have to shrug and say their comment says more about them than anything else.

 

It's rather like the occasional messages I get from certain parties who complain about how the game "caters to gay people" ...why? Evidently because there isn't enough content for straight people (meaning more than they got, which is actually the same as in previous DA games), because they don't like the content they did get and ascribe that to either a gay or feminist agenda which is being "rammed down their throat" (an odd metaphor to select, if you ask me), or because those characters exist at all...and the mere existence of a few characters or themes that relate in any way to the actual world we live in is somehow too jarring a notion in a mature-themed game already full of themes that cover almost everything else under the sun.

 

It's an odd thing to obsess this much over, considering there's so much else in the game to occupy one's attention, but hey -- you do you.

[Capone666]

I'd love to listen to it, and I honestly tried - twice. But whenever David Gaider speaks, audio quality is atrocious - I have to get it overly loud to understand *something*. So, thanks, but I'd rather wait for a transcript, or check out Patrick Weekes' interview and hope audio quality is better.

 

This was a line in radio interview direct to the station to the board. Unless he was right beside me it's not going to get much better than that.

 

Have another go.

 

Also, if anyone wants to transcribe the offer still stands. There's 3 more interviews on the way. 

 

Thanks again for superman David for his words 

[BansheeOwnage]

Evidently because there isn't enough content for straight people (meaning more than they got, which is actually the same as in previous DA games)

There is actually more straight content than previous games (Cullen/Solas for female humans/elves). Not saying that's good or bad, just an observation.

[TheJediSaint]

There is actually more straight content than previous games (Cullen/Solas for female humans/elves). Not saying that's good or bad, just an observation.

What? Since when does content for girls count?!

[GreyLycanTrope]

It doesn't, girls are a myth.

[Ariella]

There is actually more straight content than previous games (Cullen/Solas for female humans/elves). Not saying that's good or bad, just an observation.

 

What? Since when does content for girls count?!

 

It doesn't, girls are a myth.

 

Don't DO that! At least not when I have a Coke can in my hand...

 

(tries to control laughter so rugrats don't ask why mommy is cackling like a maniac with tears running down her cheeks)