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[mopotter]

The fact they focused on his sexuality rather then him not taking his role as the heir to his house is what's stupid.

Sexuality and romances should be used to advance the plot not to turn this into jerry springer show.

 

Then he keeps at it with the blood magic crap... come on...

Dragon Age from the start was one of the most sexually opened themes, except the dog and talking tree your toon could (in theory) bang anything in the game... there is even a rake and nug threesome...

so suddenly a gay character is seen in homophobic way?

weak.... very weak.

 

If instead we had a sub plot where Alexius is a competitor of Dorian's father and Dorian romanced Alexius son and left his Father's house and joined Alexius... now that's an interesting sensible plot which involves marginally gay romance and in good taste.

I had no problem seeing a father/family try to use blood magic.  Some parents send their gay kids to a "cure camp"  Blood magic would just be a different version of this.  

 

I actually enjoyed his story.  Also like Krem.  One of the reasons I always save the Chargers.  Plus dalish who insist she's using a bow.  

 

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Just want my female character (being played by a post op trans woman) to be able to romance Mae but if Mae is straight, it would be an issue for me to romance her, as I can't play male. I'm lesbian just for informational reasons.

Just out of curiosity, wouldn't that mean you wouldn't be attracted to Mae since she has a biological male body? 

[LightningPoodle]

I'm not saying that all I'm saying is I want an opportunity to romance someone similar to me in a game, that's it. If she is straight no trans woman will be able to romance her unless playing as male, which is extremely difficult for me and I would imagine some other trans women. No one seems to be able to understand what we have gone through and how important our identity is too us. So I'm just going to give up.

 

I understand, and I've said, as have others, that the easiest, simplest and safest way to go about this is to not make her romancable. Make another character transgender and romancable. Would deal with a lot more problems in a safer way.

[Malthier]

I'm not saying it would be offensive for a trans women to be straight many are, if Mae was not a Li it would not be a problem but the fact that my representation isn't a Li would be disappointing, I'm saying a trans women Li not available to trans women would be cruel. No other minority would have that issue. What if the gay male representation was not a Li while every other person had one, gay males would be upset. If a trans woman has a trans women Li in the game she would most likely want to be able to romance her.

 

I understand your feelings and I sympathize. I do think "cruel" might be an exaggeration, but I hope that any future portrayal of Mae is one that you find satisfactory

[TheRatPack55]

I'm not saying that all I'm saying is I want an opportunity to romance someone similar to me in a game, that's it. If she is straight no trans woman will be able to romance her unless playing as male, which is extremely difficult for me and I would imagine some other trans women. No one seems to be able to understand what we have gone through and how important our identity is too us. So I'm just going to give up.

 

I admit I don't really get it, since I'm cis and have zero problems playing a character of a gender/sex opposite to mine... if fact, I often prefer it for some reason. But still, seeing as you identify as a lesbian, I assume you'll get at least one other lesbian LI in the next DA game, so Mae being straight wouldn't be an issue of a lack of representation as far as sexualities go, is all I'm saying.

[Grea1951]

I'm all for monogamy (tried it the other way; doesn't really work for me). It's in more the marriage part that I'm lost. I get the IRL argument for it (there are legal benefits and all) but does the ceremony itself really matter to people in characterising their relationship? Again, genuinely asking.

 

Old question, but I thought I'd go ahead and answer.

 

I used to ask that same question because it seemed like nothing but a legal construction, but as I get older my opinion has changed somewhat.  It's specifically because marriage *is* a legal construction (one that is sort of hard to get out of) that makes the difference.  Sure, people get married without really understanding what marriage means and then regret doing so, but I think there's still a level of separation in people who get married and people who don't. 

 

People who understand what marriage is, truly understand, and do it anyway are literally saying "I want to be with this person so much that I am willing to give them various rights to my possessions, what happens to my body, and my children, and I want the state (and society) to regard me as no longer being an individual but part of a singular unit made up of two people."  Some people in long term monogamous relationships behave this way, which makes them functionally married, I suppose.  But in my experience, when long term monogamous couples are asked why they *don't* marry the answer is more or less "divorce is messy" which means they are at least entertaining the notion that they aren't 100% committed to their partner until death and thus aren't willing to gambol with the consequences of breaking up a marriage.

 

Does marriage live up to the ideal I've presented all the time?  No.  But that's the function that it's supposed to serve, and people who go into it are supposed to understand it's for keeps, which is why the consequences or getting out of it are onerous.  People who avoid it (generally wisely in their individual cases) usually do so because they understand it's for keeps.  The ceremony serves as a public declaration of a person's intent to accept the risks of marriage.  It might not be necessary, but it is definitely taking the relationship up to a new level of legal and societal commitment.

[Dieb]

No one seems to be able to understand what we have gone through and how important our identity is too us. So I'm just going to give up.

 

Sure kid, give up on your dreams because a bunch of straight brothers on a forum don't get your life-defining struggle; that's absolutely not disproportionaly pathetic**

 

Listen, I think this discussion is going on for a little too long in a social vacuum already. Don't let that drive you mad. BioWare deserves at least a little trust at this point. "They're working on it", which is more than 90% of other mainstream game developers can say for themselves. Additionally, while not everyone may get exactly what they were waiting for with the next game, it will be a huge step in the right direction.

 

I'm in no way arguing that this started for you way before geezers like myself were even made aware of it, and it may be despicable on its own right, but we are just getting started. That is how things are up until now. If anything, now is the time to start hoping, and stop giving up on the industry.

 

 

 

**unless you meant this particular discussion all along

[LightningPoodle]

Just this discussion. I will continue my quest. Really, all I wanted was to get a message out and hope someone important sees it. Next, I will try to talk to someone directly involved. Just firing a cannonball across the bow, for now.

 

I'm sorry if I offended you in any of my posts on this topic. It was not my intention.

[JadeDragon]

while i understand how you would feel uncomfortable RP a male to romance mae. But they should not change her from male only if she is only attracted to males. Most transwoman playing probably would end up canonly romancing a male and just friending Mae. Making her bi would feel like it was just to please females who wanted to romance her but for story purposes it wouldnt make sense if she is not. I am sure most transwoman would more so be concerned with how the straight romance would be presented then if she like women. What your asking is she be available for everyone because you wouldn't be able to romance her that's no different the a woman who would want to romance dorian. If a transwoman in RL hit on another transwoman but got rejected because she was straight is that wrong no its life. The bigger issue isn't to make Mae bi but to make her relationship equal to any other women in the series. Having her available to only straight males can be a way to help show straight males that jutting because a woman is trans doesn't make her less of one.

[Kakistos_]

Unfortunately, ones sexual orientation does dictate how one can be treated in their life depending on various factors, as you well know. This truth is also reflected in the fictional world of Thedas through Dorian. Dorian's personal quest being centralized around his sexuality was something that I think needed to happen as it was alone the catalyst that drove a rift between him and his father. I'm sure that there were many other young Magisters-in-waiting that were unhappy with any arranged marriages but I do doubt that many of their parents would have turned to Blood Magic to make them compliable. Dorian's story is not unique. The real world equivalent to the aformentioned Blood Magic Ritual is the highly discredited 'gay conversion therapy'. I understand that many of you including myself, regardless of sexuality, may not have had this experience but seeing and identifying with Dorian's story may mean a great deal to some people.

[In Exile]

I think the issue - to the extent there is an issue - flows from the fact that none of us quite grasped how important it was to you that you romance a trans character. Or more generally that it would be important to anyone that the character they romance potentially share their gender identity.

The point with Krem I find interesting. His body aside, he considers himself a man. That isn't an issue?

[Geth Supremacy]

I would love to see the next DA have no straight romances at all.  You can't even flirt with someone of the opposite sex.  That would make the forums better and more entertaining than DAI ever was 

[In Exile]

If I could romance Krem with a female I would definitely romance him. I would see him as a straight romance and I've done straight romances before. I would want to get the most out of a trans characters conversations and scenes I can get, no matter what gender they present, my rl attraction to them isn't what's important. I'm not sure I'm being clear, I would be more likely to be physically attracted to Mae than Krem but because I've never had the chance to have a romance and friendship with a trans character I would want to do the romance path and the friendship path, I would just feel a bond to the character not necessarily attracted to the character. The character would have gone through some of what I have, I want to feel their journey.

 

I understand now. Thank you for sharing.  

 

I will not pester you. 

[9TailsFox]

I would love to see the next DA have no straight romances at all.  You can't even flirt with someone of the opposite sex.  That would make the forums better and more entertaining than DAI ever was 

Well male can still have lesbian. And female gay.

[9TailsFox]

The difference is, the love interests of a potential gay male must be male. The love interests of a potential trans woman could be male or female, depending on her own preferences. I've never heard of 'trans' being a separate sexuality. 

Exactly If we talking about purely sexual attraction my Inquisitor would "romance" Krem because at the end of the day if you take all the armour Krem and Cass pretty much the same. Maybe not I think Krem is boring. But maybe just because not companion.

[rapscallioness]

wow. this has been a damn good thread......overall...

 

it was intelligent discussion. thoughtful disagreement. a few funny moments, intentional and otherwise. makes me remember why i love the bsn.

 

anywho, i'm not sure BW necessarily has a thing against marriage. i think it just may be they have a thing against using resources for the kind of scenes that would entail. i mean, the cake cutting scene alone would probably set them back 100 fetch quests.

 

if they did do anything, and showed it in game, i would imagine it would be something extremely small. like the equivalent to going to a justice of the peace. not a ceremony...ceremony. and definitely not on the level of final fantasy weddings.

[KaiserShep]

If we ever do get a marriage, we should have someone of authority roll up and say: "I'm a little pressed for time. You do. S/he does? Good. Done."

[rapscallioness]

yeah, and then take a generous swig from their flask and roll out.

[9TailsFox]

wow. this has been a damn good thread......overall...

 

it was intelligent discussion. thoughtful disagreement. a few funny moments, intentional and otherwise. makes me remember why i love the bsn.

 

anywho, i'm not sure BW necessarily has a thing against marriage. i think it just may be they have a thing against using resources for the kind of scenes that would entail. i mean, the cake cutting scene alone would probably set them back 100 fetch quests.

 

if they did do anything, and showed it in game, i would imagine it would be something extremely small. like the equivalent to going to a justice of the peace. not a ceremony...ceremony. and definitely not on the level of final fantasy weddings.

 

 

If we ever do get a marriage, we should have someone of authority roll up and say: "I'm a little pressed for time. You do. S/he does? Good. Done."

If we talking about marriage DA:I have it Ahm..