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[leadintea]

Adding more gay NPCs couldn't hurt. On one hand, you wouldn't know the sexualities of most random NPCs, but on the other (like you said) you do know the sexualities of some. (Just as a comment though, I wasn't sure about the ring, I thought she just wanted it to go to her family, and Captain Jehan know them, you don't.)

 

TBH, I never finished that quest, but I heard that it was a lesbian coupling. And it doesn't really matter what the sexualities of most random NPCs are. It's just a tad unfair that lesbians get more representation from a number of named/important/interactable NPCs than gay guys do, who get all their representation from interactions with a single character.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if at least an Andrastian Inquisitor could officiate weddings. Not sure about their own though

Can my Inquisitor respond as such? 

Just replace 'a King' with 'the Inquisitor'.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TBH, I never finished that quest, but I heard that it was a lesbian coupling. And it doesn't really matter what the sexualities of most random NPCs are. It's just a tad unfair that lesbians get more representation from a number of named/important/interactable NPCs than gay guys do, who get all their representation from interactions with a single character.

At least both got representation. 

[Shadow Fox]

Don't you think that's a necessary part of being a 'real woman'? Being desired, being alluring? Being courted? Having your 'femininity' valued and appreciated and loved?
 

Strictly speaking the only necessary part of being a 'real woman' is having two X chromosomes.

 

That is of-course only in biology, mentally and spiritually is a different matter and is entirely up to the individual.

[Joseph Warrick]

If you do not mind, you may want to elaborate because I'm not sure I understand what you mean especially in regards to the comment you are quoting.

 

Someone above said they'd make their lesbian inquisitor romance a male because the male was transgender and "presented as female". I've looked at pictures of that characters and apparently presenting as female means a hairstyle, earrings, and a low cut dress.

 

Looking at the character it looks to me like a LI for gay males, not for lesbian or heterosexual male characters. But maybe in some circles everybody is bisexual? I dunno.

[9TailsFox]

Strictly speaking the only necessary part of being a 'real woman' is having two X chromosomes.

 

That is of-course only in biology, mentally and spiritually is a different matter and is entirely up to the individual.

mentally and spiritually you are what Qun demands, your identity will be baker. How baker in Qun. now I must know.

[Shechinah]

mentally and spiritually you are what Qun demands, your identity will be baker. How baker in Qun. now I must know.

The bakest.

 

[Andraste_Reborn]

Someone above said they'd make their lesbian inquisitor romance a male because the male was transgender and "presented as female". I've looked at pictures of that characters and apparently presenting as female means a hairstyle, earrings, and a low cut dress.

 

Looking at the character it looks to me like a LI for gay males, not for lesbian or heterosexual male characters. But maybe in some circles everybody is bisexual? I dunno.

 

Maevaris is a woman. In real life, there are plenty of straight men and lesbians who are in relationships with trans women. Because they are into women and trans women are women. If you're actually interested in how all this works, there's plenty of info about gender identity and trans experiences online. You could start with this basic FAQ from GLAAD.

 

(Obviously there are also straight men and lesbians who don't want to date or have sex with trans women. But that doesn't make them not women, any more than some straight men and lesbians not wanting to have sex with fat people or brunettes or smokers or Republicans makes women who fall into those categories not women.)

[Joseph Warrick]

Thanks, unfortunately the faq didn't cover fhe "present as" issue. Why is progressive to link fashion and sex? I thought the progressive thing was to do away with the stereotypes, which is the complete opposite. Is there a difference between "present as female" and "being ladylike"?

If you present as female by wearing a dress, gender neutral armor would make the Inquisitor present as... nothing? Or both? Does Vasquez from Aliens present as male?

[Seraphim24]

I don't want to veer off too far in this direction. It didn't go well last time, and I don't have high hopes of getting you to understand, because you seem to have a very particular perception of what BDSM is, and your posts suggest that you're conflating it with both promiscuity and actual compulsive sadism. I, and so many others have tried to explain how mistaken that perception is, while you seem neither inclined to listen or care.

 

 

 

Try to understand, I'm not referring to practices of the BDSM community when I talk about the aspects of that fictional relationship that I consider unhealthy. I'm talking about the aspects of that story that represent BDSM incorrectly. Among other emotional aspects, the male lead's proclivity towards BDSM is eventually revealed to be actual sadism, fueled by a need for revenge.  

 

When you say "seem to go much further," you point a spotlight on the issue. Your perspective of BDSM seems to be an invention that you've constructed inside your head without actually looking at the reality of the BDSM community. You didn't know the plot of the novels, leading me to conclude that you don't actually know what that relationship entails (and yet you cast judgement on how far it goes). Every time I've seen you bring up BDSM, you've demonstrated a confused interpretation of what it is, even so far as saying that it's actually connected to promiscuity. 

 

If you really want to know, consider reading this (the tv tropes article on the issue, which isn't the most analytical approach, but is approachably written): 

 

http://tvtropes.org/...neAndConsensual

 

There are plenty of other information sources available for you to look into as well. And with that, I think it's better that we drop it. 

 

I think you and perhaps others hold this fantasy of a "safe" place to practice BDSM but there is no safe place anywhere in the universe, here, there, anywhere, BDSM or otherwise. I don't know, consenting to something doesn't necessarily make it fun either, personally I'd rather my relationships be somewhat insane and unsafe, otherwise they wouldn't be interesting, not to mention I can't fathom how anyone could call one kind of sadism actual and the other fantasy or something, it's the same thing. 

 

As for being connected to promiscuity, well it could be connected to promiscuity. BDSM isn't a hivemind, some people intermingle it with sex, some don't, if I had to guess, most do though. Sex isn't a hive mind, period, everyone has very unique tastes and preferences. It's the same with homosexuality, or transgenderism, or any variety of other things, you can probably find just about anyone doing just about anything. I think the fact that I can grasp that indicates that it's quite the opposite of something I constructed in my head.

 

I agree though I don't really know where this conversation is going, I think honestly when it comes to these topics Bioware is going to make the same basic characters but switch the labels around, which I don't think is really going to satisfy people overall unfortunately.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Thanks, unfortunately the faq didn't cover fhe "present as" issue. Why is progressive to link fashion and sex? I thought the progressive thing was to do away with the stereotypes, which is the complete opposite. Is there a difference between "present as female" and "being ladylike"?

 

When people say that Mae 'presents as female' that don't mean that she's wears dresses and jewellery, they mean that she uses female pronouns and wants to be regarded as a woman (because, to reiterate, she is one.) It's entirely possible to be a woman, trans or cis, while wearing pants, gender-neutral armour or anything else .

[In Exile]

When people say that Mae 'presents as female' that don't mean that she's wears dresses and jewellery, they mean that she uses female pronouns and wants to be regarded as a woman (because, to reiterate, she is one.) It's entirely possible to be a woman, trans or cis, while wearing pants, gender-neutral armour or anything else .

To follow up think of it this way: the term completing the "presents as" is "presents as having the gender identity of..." and not "has chosen to dress in a manner similar to gender norms for".

Because our dress and manners and hair etc are not unisex these are often overlapping but not always.

[Joseph Warrick]

It's all confusing.

 

That makes even less sense.

 

I could understand a distracted lesbian might look at a male who looks and moves like a female and feel attraction according to that sexual orientation. But if "presenting as" is simply words and wishes and no physical import whatsoever, then are you telling me there are homosexual women out there who would be attracted to me (your average dude) if I simply said I wish to be called she?

[BansheeOwnage]

Strictly speaking the only necessary part of being a 'real woman' is having two X chromosomes.

 

That is of-course only in biology, mentally and spiritually is a different matter and is entirely up to the individual.

That's why the term female exists. There are the terms "biological female", "genetic female" which are different from the term "woman" which means different things to different people. And even beyond that, you can still have "F" on your birth certificate with XY chromosomes. It's all blurry!

[DuskWanderer]

Adding more gay NPCs couldn't hurt. On one hand, you wouldn't know the sexualities of most random NPCs, but on the other (like you said) you do know the sexualities of some. (Just as a comment though, I wasn't sure about the ring, I thought she just wanted it to go to her family, and Captain Jehan know them, you don't.)

We had enough for twelve people with Dorian's wangsting. Wouldn't it be better to just have intriguing characters?

[ask_again_later]

I had a few problems with this. One being that it sounds almost like he was saying "Krem started out boring, so to make him more interesting we made him transgender." One issue I had was with finding out Krem was transgender. He tells Bull that he can teach him how to bind and now suddenly the Inquisitor knows. Was the Inquisitor supposed to know before? Did the Inquisitor find out by him/herself?

The thing about trans characters is that, if a person is trans, then they are male or female. There identity isn't trans and it isn't something they're going to share so by doing that in video games it's sort of like they're calling them out and saying that they're NOT male/female or whatever they identify as.

I'm also perturbed by the fact that, since Serendipity was supposed to be a drag queen, it's okay if they make her a prostitute. It almost sounds like they're saying drag queens are hookers.

The idea of getting a transgender actor seems unnecessary to me only because that's going too deep into it. It's basically acknowledging that they're different and yeah, transgender people are different, but it's beyond typecasting. I'm really bad at explaining this, but basically I know the intentions were good but that some of the things said were not.

Again, this is just my interpretation. Intentions were meant to be good, obviously.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm also perturbed by the fact that, since Serendipity was supposed to be a drag queen, it's okay if they make her a prostitute. It almost sounds like they're saying drag queens are hookers.

Gaider did say that they did not handle Serendipity well.

[In Exile]

It's all confusing.

That makes even less sense.

I could understand a distracted lesbian might look at a male who looks and moves like a female and feel attraction according to that sexual orientation. But if "presenting as" is simply words and wishes and no physical import whatsoever, then are you telling me there are homosexual women out there who would be attracted to me (your average dude) if I simply said I wish to be called she?

What? I'm not sure how you got that from what we said. In fact, I pointed out the term generally means both things: the appearance and identity.

[BioWareMod03]

Hello everyone. Allan has been clear that we will not be having the pronoun debate on the forums. Let's stay on topic. Thank you.

[BansheeOwnage]

Hello everyone. Allan has been clear that we will not be having the pronoun debate on the forums. Let's stay on topic. Thank you.

Did you delete my post? Why delete some and not others? I wasn't even having "the pronoun debate" so consider me confused.

[KainD]

One issue I had was with finding out Krem was transgender. He tells Bull that he can teach him how to bind and now suddenly the Inquisitor knows. Was the Inquisitor supposed to know before? Did the Inquisitor find out by him/herself?

 

I heard Krem's voice and immediately thought that Krem was a woman. Then I found out latter that Krem identifies as a man, and that was a surprise. Maybe inquisitor also has an ear for voices. 

[BansheeOwnage]

I heard Krem's voice and immediately thought that Krem was a woman. Then I found out latter that Krem identifies as a man, and that was a surprise. Maybe inquisitor also has an ear for voices. 

I just recently heard a voice from a male that sounded very similar to Hale's Krem voice, so you can never be sure.

[KainD]

I just recently heard a voice from a male that sounded very similar to Hale's Krem voice, so you can never be sure.

 

Well I guess I was sure then just because I recognized Hale, and the thought that she could voice a male character never crossed my mind. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Well I guess I was sure then just because I recognized Hale, and the thought that she could voice a male character never crossed my mind. 

Yeah, that confused me too after hearing so much of Hale before. But from the Inquisitor's PoV, I don't know.

[raging_monkey]

I honestly just thought krem was male teenager at first