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[BansheeOwnage]

I suspect Krem will be remembered mostly for something else entirely:

 

Or for drinking and talking at the same time.

I'm not a tumblr SJW crusader trying to right all the wrongs of the world from my desk chair, I'm just trying to make a point that if they are going to go out of their way to find an hire a transgender person for a role then they can do the same for other minorities, or they could just hire the best person for the job regardless of gender identity or race in all circumstances? 

 

I'm not going to engage in a privilege-off, few people have it easy in life regardless of race, sexuality, gender, etc. I'm just saying that fair is fair.

That's not why they want a transgender VA. It's because their voice would probably sound different, and they want it to sound authentic. Of course, there are exceptions. Think of it like how you usually use a male to voice a male or vice versa. Sure, it sometimes works the other way, but it's done for a reason. You don't usually have the same problem with other kinds of characters. I'm sure we've all seen plenty of actors put on terrific accents. Should only Americans play American-accented people (especially considering it's often indistinguishable from a Canadian accent)? Should a black person not be able to voice a white person? I didn't even know Ashley's VA was black until after ME3.

[In Exile]

Was Ashley supposed to be "white"? American views on "whiteness" are pretty weird because as an immigrant to North America the racial divides I grew up with were pretty different - e.g. the French/Italian/Spanish were all "Latin" people (because romance languages and Roman influence) vs. say "Nordic countries" incl. Germany.

[OhNoWhyHow]

Varric doesn't really serve a function in DA2 besides being the narrator. His being a writer (Tale of the Champion) is about as integral as Krem being an outcast. He's just a sassy sidekick so people like him. But really DA2s whole plot barely justifies itself when you remove the obvious fact Hawke was meant to be the one stuck with the Anchor.

 

I think he was supposed to be Hawke's best friend.  He continues in this role in DAI which is why he can't be friends with the Inquisitor. It keeps him tied to DAII and prevents him from shifting in any meaningful way.  Thus he becomes completely pointless when Hawke is not around.

 

Garrus in ME also serves no particular meaningful plot point, but the game sort of goes out of its way to assume he's one of your principal if not your main friend. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Was Ashley supposed to be "white"? American views on "whiteness" are pretty weird because as an immigrant to North America the racial divides I grew up with were pretty different - e.g. the French/Italian/Spanish were all "Latin" people (because romance languages and Roman influence) vs. say "Nordic countries" incl. Germany.

Considering this is her with her sister Sarah, yes Ashley is white. Or mixed race with one being white. 

[9TailsFox]

Considering this is her sister, yes Ashley was meant to be white. Or mixed race with one being white. 

And people wonder my racism exist  Why must put label, Ashley white black or blue who cares.

[BansheeOwnage]

And people wonder my racism exist  Why must put label, Ashley white black or blue who cares.

Because it's on-topic. Other than that, I'm pretty sure no one cares what race she is.

[Dieb]

Was Ashley supposed to be "white"? American views on "whiteness" are pretty weird because as an immigrant to North America the racial divides I grew up with were pretty different - e.g. the French/Italian/Spanish were all "Latin" people (because romance languages and Roman influence) vs. say "Nordic countries" incl. Germany.

 

I think it's supposed to be neither. The Codex in ME1 states that mixed race people are the vast majority of people at the time Sherpard's story takes place, evidently with Kaidan & Anderson, too. I actually thought Kaidan was of Indian decent the first time I played it. (yeah...)

 

The fact that her sister is a pale redhead is probably a very trivial oversight. I mean look at the overall quality of her CC face.

 

Varric doesn't really serve a function in DA2 besides being the narrator.

 

I know anything DA2 is wicked, so I'm not gonna derail the thread into what else he's there for, but even if that were the only purpose, you have pretty high standards when it comes to what makes characters meaningful. I recommend not taking a hard look at 90% of the cast of the franchise.

[DuskWanderer]

I think it's supposed to be neither. The Codex in ME1 states that mixed race people are the vast majority of people at the time Sherpard's story takes place, evidently with Kaidan & Anderson, too. I actually thought Kaidan was of Indian decent the first time I played it. (yeah...)

 

The fact that her sister is a pale redhead is probably a very trivial oversight. I mean look at the overall quality of her CC face.

 

 

I know anything DA2 is wicked, so I'm not gonna derail the thread into what else he's there for, but even if that were the only purpose, you have pretty high standards when it comes to what makes characters meaningful. I recommend not taking a hard look at 90% of the cast of the franchise.

 

More than likely, because travel seems to be so much faster and society seems to be more global (It was a North American country and such), that's just what happened. 

[Iakus]

 

 

The fact that her sister is a pale redhead is probably a very trivial oversight. I mean look at the overall quality of her CC face.

There were a lot of "trivial oversites" in ME3  

[ask_again_later]

What about Maevaris? I find it odd that she's a magister. Dorian was criticized because his sexuality would make it so that he couldn't have heirs, so wouldn't the same apply to Maevaris? In the eyes of the Imperium, I figured that would be equally as looked down upon.

[BansheeOwnage]

What about Maevaris? I find it odd that she's a magister. Dorian was criticized because his sexuality would make it so that he couldn't have heirs, so wouldn't the same apply to Maevaris? In the eyes of the Imperium, I figured that would be equally as looked down upon.

Dorian was viewed that way by his father, but I don't think anyone else would really care about Halward's legacy. Much of the scandal concerning Mae was also lessened because of her father's influence and wealth.

 

Edit: People apparently didn't care that she was with a Dwarf either. I doubt they'd care if she had kids. Someone else also suggested she could continue her legacy by adopting a mage. Who knows how the Magisterium would react.

[Reznore57]

What about Maevaris? I find it odd that she's a magister. Dorian was criticized because his sexuality would make it so that he couldn't have heirs, so wouldn't the same apply to Maevaris? In the eyes of the Imperium, I figured that would be equally as looked down upon.

 

Maevaris got a small fortune when she married a dwarf (well they were not officialy married ) , anyway she used the money , her wits and connection and showed the other magisters she wouldn't get bullied.

And she also got support from her family.

 

Dorian was a mess in Tevinter and more or less made a fool of himself openly (alcohol , brothel , scandal etc...)

I doubt Dorian wanted to be a magister ... I think with all the scandals his father lost his place at the magisterium.

[9TailsFox]

Maevaris got a small fortune when she married a dwarf (well they were not officialy married ) , anyway she used the money , her wits and connection and showed the other magisters she wouldn't get bullied.

And she also got support from her family.

 

Dorian was a mess in Tevinter and more or less made a fool of himself openly (alcohol , brothel , scandal etc...)

I doubt Dorian wanted to be a magister ... I think with all the scandals his father lost his place at the magisterium.

Really? Dam and I think Dorian father is only one to blame. But he is really selfish if it's true. What he did can ruin his father life.

[leadintea]

Really? Dam and I think Dorian father is only one to blame. But he is really selfish if it's true. What he did can ruin his father life.

 

It basically did. His father's political rivals got wind of Dorian's scandal and basically used that knowledge against him. However, in Dorian's "defense," the reason why he was so messed up was because of the pressure of his parent's expectations for him plus his falling out with Alexius. It still doesn't excuse or justify his behavior, and IMO, makes him even more childish, but at least he has a reason for his actions in Tevinter.

[In Exile]

What about Maevaris? I find it odd that she's a magister. Dorian was criticized because his sexuality would make it so that he couldn't have heirs, so wouldn't the same apply to Maevaris? In the eyes of the Imperium, I figured that would be equally as looked down upon.

 

We don't actually know whether Dorian would have - despite the issues he was having with his father - actually been prevented from taking his father's place in the Magisterium if he died, despite his inclinations. Remember, Dorian had other issues as well - being anti-blood magic for one (or at least anti-blood magic as the thing is understood in Tevinter). 

[Gervaise]

The whole point about Tevinter high society, that Dorian hates, is that they have this aura of respectability that you are meant to adhere to in public.    Officially there is no blood magic and everyone plays happy families.    The reality is that behind the scenes everything is much less savoury.    However, you are not meant to let that show.   So it is all hypocrisy and corruption with people back stabbing one another like crazy (metaphorically and literally) to get one up on their neighbours.

 

That said, it is only really like Orlesian society, with magic as the main weapon instead of using bards and assassins.     Mind you Tevinter does have assassins.   Dorian maintains they make the Crows look gentle.   Probably because of the way they can flay your mind with magic from a distance.     

 

Dorian's father lost his place of influence with the Archon because of the public scandal associated with his son, but to a large extent he had only himself to blame since he sent his thugs to kidnap his son from another Lord's estate, who killed the guards, broke in on Dorian in the midst of sex and then dragged him back to Halward's estate.   Eventually Dorian escaped and became a homeless drifter, living off the charity of others.   Not surprisingly this episode got out and Halward's rivals jumped on it.

 

Maevaris was a different situation since she had the support of her father and also he was far less ambitious than Halward, so other Magisters preferred to use him rather than drive him out of the Senate over the issue.     Then on his death Maervaris used her connections with the dwarves to keep her seat in the Magisterium.  Considering the dwarves control the lyrium supply this would give you considerable political clout, together with the wealth to use as bribes.  

 

So Dorian keeping his position in the Senate would largely depend on how much he wanted it and what lengths he was prepared to go to in order to keep.   In other words, how much he was willing to compromise his principles. 

[Mihura]

Considering this is her with her sister Sarah, yes Ashley is white. Or mixed race with one being white. 

 

Not really, genetics do not work like that, there are things that cross generations or that are imprinted in the genes and do not reveal themselves because they are recessive, so it depends on percentages.

For example I have light blue eyes, dark blond hair and really light skin and features you normally see in the north of Europe but my mother(dark brown), sister(brown with dark blue eyes) and father(brown) are your typical "latinos" for a better word and represent the general population in my country. In true saying "white" is just misguided because this means different things, in different parts of the world.

[Capone666]

I'm always amazed how these conversations change

[myahele]

What about Maevaris? I find it odd that she's a magister. Dorian was criticized because his sexuality would make it so that he couldn't have heirs, so wouldn't the same apply to Maevaris? In the eyes of the Imperium, I figured that would be equally as looked down upon.

 

In the case of Maevaris, she's what I would call a "revolutionary" She did things that weren't the norm and she probably was/ isn't too well-liked, but still made it and flourished in that environment due to her quick actions against those who wished to bring her down.

 

She was lucky that her father loved and supported her and he had good connections to boot .... until politics killed him. She further shook the Tevinter (and even Thedas, maybe) by marrying into a rich Dwarf family ... after he was killed she inherited all the wealth. She's one of the riches in Tevinter and survives because she not only has the resources, but plays the "game" exceptionally well.

 

I have to say I love Mae even more after reading about her in WoT2.

[ask_again_later]

In the case of Maevaris, she's what I would call a "revolutionary" She did things that weren't the norm and she probably was/ isn't too well-liked, but still made it and flourished in that environment due to her quick actions against those who wished to bring her down.

 

She was lucky that her father loved and supported her and he had good connections to boot .... until politics killed him. She further shook the Tevinter (and even Thedas, maybe) by marrying into a rich Dwarf family ... after he was killed she inherited all the wealth. She's one of the riches in Tevinter and survives because she not only has the resources, but plays the "game" exceptionally well.

 

I have to say I love Mae even more after reading about her in WoT2.

I'd love to read the comics, but I just don't have the money to buy them, unfortunately.

[DWareFan]

It is fair for you to interpret the plot however you like, I won't argue with that.

 

The fact that Dorian's plot is neither about his father accepting his homosexuality (his father's issue is that Dorian allows his preferences to take precedence over his duty, not that he has those preferences to begin with) and does not end with the conflict neatly resolved belies it being an "after school special" -- at least, in my opinion. To me, that involves conflicts which are presented in a simplistic manner and with an overly-pat resolution. Perhaps you feel that's the case, but then I'd be curious if it wasn't just the plot's basic nature in that it involves parental conflict which was the source of your issue.

 

Beyond that, I'll just say that I've had many gay people (men and women) contact me to say they were deeply moved by the plot -- which either means it's not something they've seen before (not in a video game, certainly) or that they didn't interpret it as you did. Which is not to say they're right and you're wrong, but your implication that anyone gay would feel as you do is just not the case.

 

I love Dorian.  He's my favorite companion and it is obvious that he's gay, his comments to Bull are funny as hell and that mustache....oh that mustache.  He goes everywhere with me.

 

I thought his personal quest was all about a father wanting to change his son into something he's not and can never be and that the father was willing to go to all lengths to do it instead of accepting his son for what he is which actually sickens me.  Well done.

[DustyTulip]

Considering this is her with her sister Sarah, yes Ashley is white. Or mixed race with one being white. 

Never had Ashley in my game as I started with ME2 so her sister took me aback for a little bit, as my Shepherd looks so much like Sarah!   

 

I'm always amazed how these conversations change

 

Any news on when the other parts of the interview will be available? Thanks 

[Mihura]

One question, did the video talked about Sera? the text extract does not have anything about her.

[Capone666]

Never had Ashley in my game as I started with ME2 so her sister took me aback for a little bit, as my Shepherd looks so much like Sarah!   

 

 

Any news on when the other parts of the interview will be available? Thanks 

 

Thursday...

 

If someone can help me transcript before that...

 

Then Wednesday...anyone anyone?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Never had Ashley in my game as I started with ME2 so her sister took me aback for a little bit, as my Shepherd looks so much like Sarah!