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[Kulyok]

Like anyone wants to touch that half-breed mongrel anyway when Viconia is right there. 

 

I'm coding an incredible date night with Viconia right now. There's food, too. (There's an option for Jaheira and others, too, but well).

 

Anyway, on topic: polyamory includes at least three people. And I have difficulty when I'm trying to believe that all three are completely satisfied with the structure of the relationship and neither wants to get rid of the "third wheel", so to speak. Unless it's one male PC and three elven blondes fawning over him.

[Tishina]

I'm coding an incredible date night with Viconia right now. There's food, too. (There's an option for Jaheira and others, too, but well).

 

Anyway, on topic: polyamory includes at least three people. And I have difficulty when I'm trying to believe that all three are completely satisfied with the structure of the relationship and neither wants to get rid of the "third wheel", so to speak. Unless it's one male PC and three elven blondes fawning over him.

A polyamorous relationship is a lot more work than a monogamous one, and no one is the "third wheel" in one. But it's rare than anyone is ever completely satisfied with a relationship; even the best matches I know irl involve compromises and tolerance on both sides. Anyone who thinks any relationship doesn't involve work...  The key is that polyamory is a singular relationship, which excludes cheating which is simply multiple relationships without consent of at least one person. The question of consent seems to be a concept a few people have a disturbingly confused understanding of. I think a lot of people are intentionally missing the OP's real point which was would people like to be able to RP a PC who is able to have a real polyamorous relationship? Yes or no is really all that's necessary, and there's no reason not to respect those who differ. Me, I like to be able to RP a variety of PCs (because I don't confuse my characters with myself) and they frequently do things that fit their characters that I would personally find very unappealling or even a serious problem irl.

 

I won't comment on the harem fantasy except to ask how satisfied the women in that situation would really be

[vertigomez]

Anyway, on topic: polyamory includes at least three people. And I have difficulty when I'm trying to believe that all three are completely satisfied with the structure of the relationship and neither wants to get rid of the "third wheel", so to speak. Unless it's one male PC and three elven blondes fawning over him.

Tish said it better than I could, but yeah: there's no third wheel. The point is that everybody wants to be with everybody. How do you even decide who the "third wheel" is? The newest person in the relationship? The oldest? That's... not how it works.

"Gee, I love Bob and I love Alice. Bob loves Alice, and Alice loves Bob, and they both love me."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It was in the Fine Print

I don't get the joke.

 

But...it's Isabella. xD

And? 

[KainD]

"Gee, I love Bob and I love Alice. Bob loves Alice, and Alice loves Bob, and they both love me."

If you love everyone equally you really love no one. Times come when you have to make a choice and evaluate who really matters more to you.

Everything that you give to Bob you don't give Alice and vise versa.

[Tishina]

If you love everyone equally you really love no one. Times come when you have to make a choice and evaluate who really matters more to you.

Everything that you give to Bob you don't give Alice and vise versa.

So, you believe love is a limited resource?

[vertigomez]

If you love everyone equally you really love no one. Times come when you have to make a choice and evaluate who really matters more to you.
Everything that you give to Bob you don't give Alice and vise versa.

Yeah, like that time I got rid of one of my kids! I had to make a choice and evaluate who really mattered to me. There can only be one.

[Domiel Angelus]

BioWare hasn't even written a proper romance yet, and you want to throw in more variables, gomez? Besides, they've been down this route before. 

 

So why are you playing Bioware games if you don't like the way they write romances? Considering its a large portion of their game(s) dynamic to include such an option and you're sort of missing out on a large portion of the game play by not doing romances. 

 

You're skipping out on a massive portion of character development if you don't at least tread a bit into the romantic side of the pool. Without those particular elements involved their games would feel rather lack luster. If you wanted better RPGs they have those, if you wanted better combat there are games that have that covered. Very few games that don't deal strictly in romance have bumps, and there are very few games you'll find that even get it close to right. 

 

Based on you saying someone else's tastes are gross I'd put you in the category of loving Rom-Coms as one of your favorite movie types because by the end if a Rom-Com its all wrapped up in a neat little bow. Bioware gets to touch on the weird stuff that actually gets a romance to work (as well as what happens after the credits roll since they have sequels) which most companies wouldn't even attempt, I think they could do it at least decently if they tried. 

 

As for romances they've already written, I really enjoyed Leliana's story with the Warden as well as Morrigan's. Neither of which pan out quite the way you want them to, consider Morrigan departs no matter how you handle her (and ends up pining for the Warden later) and Leliana ends up in the Inquisition because the Warden leaves to be the Hero and find a way to sever the Calling (If your Warden is alive). 

 

They also do tragic love rather well in many sections, such as Hawke and Anders in which you may have to kill the character you've romanced yourself to because of his actions. 

[RawToast]

i'm down

[Domiel Angelus]

Tish said it better than I could, but yeah: there's no third wheel. The point is that everybody wants to be with everybody. How do you even decide who the "third wheel" is? The newest person in the relationship? The oldest? That's... not how it works.

"Gee, I love Bob and I love Alice. Bob loves Alice, and Alice loves Bob, and they both love me."

 

 

Is that a veiled reference to Dilbert?

[vertigomez]

Is that a veiled reference to Dilbert?

[In Exile]

So all I can think of as I read this thread and the idea of implementing it with an already existing couple is how much I wish this had been an option in BG2 with Jaheira and Khalid instead of them killing him off between games in order to free her up for the original Carth Syndrome romance.

I'd go with it. But honestly Khalid seems SO apologetic about everything that I'm not sure he'd be all that fun ...

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm tempted to go replay Baldurs Gate now.

I miss good Bioware products.

[Domiel Angelus]

 

That's it, you're going to Catbert's office right this minute.

[dixophilia]

I know BioWare's considering polyamorous relationships, as they explained in, I think, the "Building a Better Romance" panel and I wouldn't mind if they could successfully implement it into one of the DA or ME games. I imagine it's just very complicated coding-wise.

 

It could definitely be an interesting romance to explore in-game though. It's no different than any other relationship/romance, other than working to balance the needs of 3+ people rather than 2.

[KainD]

So, you believe love is a limited resource?

Of course.

[vertigomez]

That's it, you're going to Catbert's office right this minute.

...Fine.

[Tishina]

Of course.

The more you hoard, the less you have.

I'm sorry.

[Bowie Hawkins]

 

No, it is. The Warden is in love or romantically involved with more than one person at the same time. That is the definition of polyamory.

 

When you know that all of the people you're involved with are monogamous the way the Warden had to know by the point where he was sleeping with both Leliana and Morrigan, it's not polyamory. It's cheating.

 

I've always headcanoned my Hawke as being in a stable triad with Isabela and Merrill at the end of DA2, btw.

[KainD]

The more you hoard, the less you have.

I'm sorry.

 

Not hoard, give, but to a single individual a full package, not a little piece. It's just my opinion, but I don't think it is realistic to open up fully, completely rely, trust and prioritize multiple people at once. Most people are unable or don't feel comfortable to even give that much to a single person, not to mention a few. Understanding someones inner world and connecting to them takes huge effort, having a ''hivemind'' much more so. And of course then there's all the time and resources that a person can give another, which is limited. Bottom line - I think the more people you are in a relationship with the more shallow the relationships and the less you get, and I want it all not just a part. 

 

Obviously there is no right way to have a relationship though, these are just my personal preferences and why I don't care about inclusion of such romances in the future games. 

[Tishina]

*snip*

 

Obviously there is no right way to have a relationship though, these are just my personal preferences and why I don't care about inclusion of such romances in the future games. 

And that's it in a nutshell, and the snipped bits are a clearer summary, even if I don't personally agree. I know a few people who seem to have very meaningful, close polyamorous relationships with a mutual sharing of resources rather than one person supplying resources, but they really work at them. And I know far too many people in very shallow monogamous relationships to believe most of them have the sort of depth you describe (and most of them don't seem to want anything involving that much work, frankly.) A lot of people confuse polyamory with traditional polygamous or polyandrous relationships which are terms usually used for ones which aren't based primarily on emotional attachments between partners. And I get aggravated with people who knowingly try to conflate polyamory and cheating as if consent is irrelevant.

 

I find such things fun in games because they aren't real relationships, but neither are any of the more traditional ones, and frankly, virtually no LI in a DA game represents anyone I'd want to be involved with irl. They're fun in the "safe" environment of a game, however, when you can avoid serious questions of morality and ethics (like, oh, an assassin or murderer in your bed.)

[Broganisity]

1) A lot of people confuse polyamory with traditional polygamous or polyandrous relationships which are terms usually used for ones which aren't based primarily on emotional attachments between partners. And I get aggravated with people who knowingly try to conflate polyamory and cheating as if consent is irrelevant.

 

2) I find such things fun in games because they aren't real relationships, but neither are any of the more traditional ones, and frankly, virtually no LI in a DA game represents anyone I'd want to be involved with irl. They're fun in the "safe" environment of a game, however, when you can avoid serious questions of morality and ethics (like, oh, an assassin or murderer in your bed.)

1) First off, this; Can't put it better myself. I have no interest in such a romantic practice (or really, any interest in any such practices period) in my personal life, but the addition of legitimate diversity in romantic options in the series is something I would like to see.

2) You mean to tell me no one would enter a romantic relationship with a creepy horned man with a thing for pain, a redeeming murderer and traitor to his country, a trickster god-elf, a semi-murderous elf lady raging against the establishment, an ex-'holy warrior' with a drug problem, a warrior woman to the core who wanted to kill you the first time you met, a man with a suspicious looking mustache-goatee combo and notable father issues and also BLOOD MAGIC TOTALLY KNOWS BLOOD MAGIC, and a Disney Princess in real life?

Because I think you're not wrong.

[RedMagister]

I think bioware is capable of a poly relationship. They are one of the most progressive game companies out there. If they did this they would be able to increase awareness of poly works, if they were up to the challenge of course.

It looks like the ppl here think poly is cheating and a fake commitment or a selfish thing. Poly involves far more commitment and communication than I've ever seen a mono couple have- because they always set boundaries and always clear up problems.

I personally would find poly too much work but in a game it may be very rewarding. A route the writers may want to explore.

[Master Warder Z_]

a man with a suspicious looking mustache-goatee combo

It's really rather tacky

[Broganisity]

It's really rather tacky

There were three things I knew of before I played DA:I (to prevent myself from being spoiled):

- There was a 'Warden Blackwall'

- Based on what I heard from a friend, I thought 'The Iron Bull' would be this big human in heavy plate mail that was a total bro. 'Mayhem. Mayhem.'

- I saw a picture of Dorian. I trust no one with facial hair like that.

. . .I was wrong on all three things. Dorian's the exception to my 'facial hair trustworthiness' chart.