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[Lethaya]

I'm sure you've already heard some or all of this, but:

 

1. Main Plot:

Spoiler

In practice we got very short main plot quests leading to a fork, side with the mages or the templars... 

This was bit surprising but it conveyed the gravity of the choice.

Then... 10 mins... 1 cutscene... breach is closed.

 

WUT

 

no research.. no badass mission.. nothing.

Also aside from the recruiting mission I didn't find any difference between siding with the mages or the templars plot wise.. maybe some obscure war table missions but that's it.

 

I'd say who you recruit in terms of faction leadership is a difference, Fiona verses Barris. Plus it effects the order and circumstances of recruitment with Dorian and Cole, offers different villains via Calpernia and Samson, with their own seperate side questlines, and effects companion approval, plus the enemy parties you fight during gameplay. And your roleplay experieince, of course.

 

 

Next we got Coryfish, 

Why they had to bring him back? he is the worst villain by far in any bioware game I have ever played.

 

Lore reasons, I would guess. And he was great in DA2. If we'd seen more of him in DA:I, and the boss battle at the end had been given more time/polish, I'd say he'd have done quite well. He's fantastic during In Your Heart Shall Burn, for instance.

 

I always though that, though overall the mage questline offers more, the bit of insight we got for Cory's mindset with Calpernia's missions was a really solid plus for choosing the Templars. Too bad we didn't have more of that kind of stuff overall, though.

 

 

Then if we stick to the main plot it's nothing more then 2-3 major missions and you finished the game.

So in theory if you got solid level 18-20 and you stick to the main quest only you can finish it in one night.

 

Compare it to Origins for example,

No way you can finish all the treaties in single day.

 

According to some speed runs I just dragged up for good measure, people cleared each treaty quest in under two hours each, so about 5 and a half hours for all three. I feel like I could have done them in one day if I tried, personally. I know I defintely did two in a day pre DA:I release. XD And I wasn't even trying to go through that fast, just happened that way.

 

But yes, if you skip most of the game's content I'm sure it is shorter. Still logged more horus in each DA:I playthrough than i did in my Origins runs, though. *shrugs*

 

 

And too many times the main plot (which felt short and not satisfying) had weird choices.

I'll take the final act as such example,

The entire game we chase down Coryfish trying to stop him from going back into the fade, only to deafeat him and using the mark to... SEND HIM INTO THE FADE! logic.

 

This bothered me at first, until I remembered why he needed the Mark - thats why using the Mark to attack others works so well, really. The Mark is what allows the Quizzy to pass through the rifts unharmed. Cory got sucked in sans Mark, and thus he got all.... distentegrated.

 

2. Side Missions:

Spoiler

 

I don't know even where to start.

 

There is one.. memorable side quest which was the haunted ghost house in emerald graves but that's it.

To me the side missions felt like it was either a chore (go place flowers on my wife's grave) or useless ubisoft thing (collect songs\mosaics\drinks\....).

It was not fun.

 

Worst part was you had to do at least some of those in order to get the minimum power and get into the minimum level for next mission. 

 

Also each zone had one "major" plot line you needed to solve as optional quest. Some of those such as Emprise du Lion were nice with the daemon and slaves but others like the forbidden oasis or the hissing wastes were utter boring.

 

Bottom line in my humble opinion this game failed in the side quest department and not only that it made it mandatory to do some of them in the process. 

 

Let's take Origins as an example on how to make memorable side quest.

Simple quest yet entertaining.

You get into the circle tower during "Broken Circle", in there you got some practice in summoning circles.

If you do all of them including the bonus one (which all of them are interesting puzzle and hilarious.. like the nug spirit) you may actually release some dude which turns into a bandit and you got another quest later to stop him.

Many side quests were like that,

Or the interesting ones like in KoTor where you need to release bastila and you can either just kick ass and beat the crap out of the gang or actually compete in pod racing! 

This are good side quests.. not horrible fetch quest from NOTE found on a CORPSE to kill 3 bears and not even need to deliver the pelts.

 

DA:I had a bulk of weary sidequests, I agree, but saying only one was memorable is a bit unfair, I think. Crestwood, the main companion quests, setting up Keeps, dragon battles, the Dead Hand Dungeon puzzle, Dirthamen's Temple....

 

Also... releasing Bastila wasn't really a sidequest, it was the whole reason you'd done all the crap you'd had to do on Taris. So not exactly a fair point of comparison at all. XD You want KOTOR sidequests? Pazaak games. Deuling opponents in the arena. Bounties. Hunting on Tatooine. Swoop racing for credits.

 

There were indeed forgettable sidequests in both KOTOR and Origins, too, I might add. Blasphemy, I know. But! One large difference is the sheer volume of quests we had in DA:I. There are a lot more than we had in either installment, I think, especially KOTOR.

 

 

Other than that, good points, even if I don't necessarily feel them so keenly.

[Dai Grepher]

I believe it was two times the Warden encountered Loghain before the Landsmeet; One in Ostagar and one upon arriving in Denerim after calling the Landsmeet. The most we saw of him until the Landsmeet was through cutscenes that the player were audience to but the Warden were not.

 

I believe it was two times the Inquisitor encountered Corpyheus in the flesh before the endgame; One in Haven and one in the Temple of Mythal. The other times we saw of him until the endgame was his voice in the beginning and in the Fade through memories.   
 

 

Well technically four meetings with Loghain. Once at his tent, again at the war table, again at Eamon's estate, and again at the Landsmeet. Then of course if you recruit him, but at that point he's not really an enemy anymore.

[Shechinah]

Well technically four meetings with Loghain. Once at his tent, again at the war table, again at Eamon's estate, and again at the Landsmeet. Then of course if you recruit him, but at that point he's not really an enemy anymore.

 

I counted the meetings with Loghain in Ostagar as one because they occur in the same place which is also why I counted the moments with Corypheus in the Temple of Mythal as one even though he is seen twice, technically three times as he resurrects a short whole after seemingly being killed. I also did count his actual Landsmeet appearance since it is his "villain" finale of sorts like the endgame is for Corypheus.  

 

As a note; I do not recall meeting Loghain at Eamon's estate unless you mean the one in Denerim after calling the Landsmeet but I think I counted that one? 
 

[Googleness]

if you turn him to grey warden you talk with him in the estate before the joining and then another time in redcliff.

 

Loghain as great because you hated him with passion then you recruited him due to Grey Warden duty or sense of vengeance making him kill the archdemon etc... 

he was great character.

 

Spoiler

and I mean you get like 1 dialog with coryfish in haven then some obscue assault attempt in the temple of mythal and final battle.

I didn't hated him... I didn't felt scared by him like that sense of awe I had from the reaper in mass effect 1... he was kinda meh feeling.

[Shechinah]

if you turn him to grey warden you talk with him in the estate before the joining and then another time in redcliff.

 

Loghain as great because you hated him with passion then you recruited him due to Grey Warden duty or sense of vengeance making him kill the archdemon etc... 

he was great character.

 

That is still post-Landsmeet, I believe, which is why I did not count it as he would have to be a companion afterwards to survive the Landsmeet and so no longer an antagonist because he's sworn himself to the player's cause. 

 

I'll be honest; I think I am a bit indifferent to Loghain as a villain because while I enjoy his character and the execution of said character through dialogue and action, I saw his role as little different than the other major characters in the story who thought they were in the right and so their intentions diverted attention from the more important matter of the Blight. He was a villain and did villainous things like allowing the enslavement of the elves to the Tevinter slavers and so forth but I would not consider him the primary villain of Origins, if anything that role should go the Blight itself or (blank = I need to formulate this).
 

[Ilwerin]

 He was a villain and did villainous things like allowing the enslavement of the elves to the Tevinter slavers and so forth but I would not consider him the primary villain of Origins, if anything that role should go the Blight itself or (blank = I need to formulate this).

 

...or the one who caused the Blight... but Warden didn't and could't know... so there is only Loghain and Archdemon.

[Googleness]

...or the one who caused the Blight... but Warden didn't and could't know... so there is only Loghain and Archdemon.

 

Well about the one which caused the blight... awakening. 

[giveamanafish...]

 

 

 

in this game I can just pop "regeneration potion" with the barrier\guard on tactics spam and no one will die during the fight.. tried it on nightmare and from the start it was way overpowered.

 

On origins for example I had potions but they cost money and I didn't had unlimited resources unles I've abused teh potent lyrium potions trick, so you mostly came to rely on mage with heal spells.....

What?

 

You can't get the advanced regeneration potion in DAI until about halfway through the game. You need to unlock and explore two or three different areas after choosing between the Templars or mages. The area effect of the advanced regeneration potion is also quite limited, most of the time you won't be able to use it in combat to heal more than one or two party members -- maybe more if you're all melee. Somewhat diferent than what you are implying.

 

There's also a substantial cost in time and effort or gold involved in keeping your optional potion supply up in DAI. If I remember correctly in DAO. you could buy the ingredients and materials for the most powerful healing potion for no more than 10 maybe 20 coppers. In DAI, you can't actually buy potions. you can buy one rashvine, enough for one advanced regeneration potion, for about 20 or so gold. Really in DAO, i was pretty much : 1) unlock elven camp in ____ Forrest ;2) Spam healing potions. You also found a fair number of potions in loot.

 

 

The regeneration potion probably was included by Bioware as an option for people who were complaining about the limited number of healing potions available in the game,  If people wanted to take advantage of that option, they had to devote a substantial amount of time gathering the materials or  resources buying the stuff. Now that people are using that option some of them are complaining that this makes the game too easy. Good old BSN.

 

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Some enemies have "guard-breaker". Especiallly in Jaws of Hakkon on Nightmare. 

[Googleness]

What?

 

You can't get the advanced regeneration potion in DAI until about halfway through the game. You need to unlock and explore two or three different areas after choosing between the Templars or mages. The area effect of the advanced regeneration potion is also quite limited, most of the time you won't be able to use it in combat to heal more than one or two party members -- maybe more if you're all melee. Somewhat diferent than what you are implying.

 

There's also a substantial cost in time and effort or gold involved in keeping your optional potion supply up in DAI. If I remember correctly in DAO. you could buy the ingredients and materials for the most powerful healing potion for no more than 10 maybe 20 coppers. In DAI, you can't actually buy potions. you can buy one rashvine, enough for one advanced regeneration potion, for about 20 or so gold. Really in DAO, i was pretty much : 1) unlock elven camp in ____ Forrest ;2) Spam healing potions. You also found a fair number of potions in loot.

 

 

The regeneration potion probably was included by Bioware as an option for people who were complaining about the limited number of healing potions available in the game,  If people wanted to take advantage of that option, they had to devote a substantial amount of time gathering the materials or  resources buying the stuff. Now that people are using that option some of them are complaining that this makes the game too easy. Good old BSN.

 

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Some enemies have "guard-breaker". Especiallly in Jaws of Hakkon on Nightmare. 

 

You have garden in skyhold you know...

and regeneration potion is 1 elfroot which you can purchase for 20 gold at the hinterlands in unlimited quantity.

Don't know about you but before skyhold I managed to get number of upgrades to the regen potions they were.

past skyhold you can unlock most areas and just go in there grab the crafting materials... it is not requiring you to do any quests.

 

In my gamplay and due to the changes in DA:I I usually respec all rogues into archers, mages into support barrier spammers and warriors into tanks with S&B spec.

as such always 3 of my toons will be clustered or there will be 2 groups of 2 characters so the aoe heal is also useful in those situations.

[Ilwerin]

You have garden in skyhold you know...

and regeneration potion is 1 elfroot which you can purchase for 20 gold at the hinterlands in unlimited quantity.

Don't know about you but before skyhold I managed to get number of upgrades to the regen potions they were.

past skyhold you can unlock most areas and just go in there grab the crafting materials... it is not requiring you to do any quests.

Fully upgraded regeneration potion costs 1 elfroot and 2 rashwine... I always ran out of rashwine...

[Googleness]

usually you need the regen potions before you get to skyhold and for the high dragon battles, so not much to ponder there.

[giveamanafish...]

You have garden in skyhold you know...

and regeneration potion is 1 elfroot which you can purchase for 20 gold at the hinterlands in unlimited quantity.

Don't know about you but before skyhold I managed to get number of upgrades to the regen potions they were.

past skyhold you can unlock most areas and just go in there grab the crafting materials... it is not requiring you to do any quests.

 

In my gamplay and due to the changes in DA:I I usually respec all rogues into archers, mages into support barrier spammers and warriors into tanks with S&B spec.

as such always 3 of my toons will be clustered or there will be 2 groups of 2 characters so the aoe heal is also useful in those situations.

So, assuming you are correct, if you go out of your way to gather materials for a fully upgraded regeneration potion, this makes the game easy for you  So why are you complaining? Don't go out of your way to upgrade the potion, heck don't bother with the power upgrade that allows you to carry that set of potions on top of the 8 free healing potions. Then you won't  have to make this complaint:

 

"in this game I can just pop "regeneration potion" with the barrier\guard on tactics spam and no one will die during the fight.. tried it on nightmare and from the start it was way overpowered."

 

20 gold is a lot by the way and as Ilwerin said you need rashvinenot root (I also think you need splintweed). which is only sold at the Crestwood market after you close the underwater rift.

 

You are making role-playing choices that leave you with an over-powered INQ and you are complaining that he or she is over powered.

[Grieving Natashina]

Fully upgraded regeneration potion costs 1 elfroot and 2 rashwine... I always ran out of rashwine...

The Exalted Plains has the stuff growing everywhere.  I've had the best luck in the forest.  There is some in Emprise du Lion as well, mainly on the sides of buildings.  Hopefully that helps you out.

[Ilwerin]

20 gold is a lot by the way and as Ilwerin said you need rashvinenot root (I also think you need splintweed). which is only sold at the Crestwood market after you close the underwater rift.

"just"  elfroot and rashwine

 

The Exalted Plains has the stuff growing everywhere.  I've had the best luck in the forest.  There is some in Emprise du Lion as well, mainly on the sides of buildings.  Hopefully that helps you out.

Yes, I know, thank you. Can be also found in Emerald Graves. But I am rather sending Leliana's scouts for it from WT

But while it is also needed for resistance tonics, I am often low on stock... and I don't even use tonics much

[laudable11]

Good points op. I feel that Bioware wasn't trying to make a masterpiece. To me it felt like a "by the numbers" type of game.

I enjoyed it, but it ain't got that old Bioware greatness.

[Spirited Treasure]

I think DAI just suffered a lot from going to an entirely new engine

That is a total excuse and I'm not buying it.