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[Killdren88]

It was from a past cycle perhaps? Which means out turn is soon approaching.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Sorry can't hear the one who doesn't acknowledged it as true WH40K.

 

Shouldn't use Bing search for pictures...

[Fast Jimmy]

Or you know, human civilization is older than previously thought. Everything doesnt equal aliens bruh.

I think the more obvious answer is Neadrathals or Denisovans having more advanced crafting than previously given credit for. Not aliens or some mystical species.

[Fast Jimmy]

I sincerely hope people have changed in 200,000 years and I don't only say that for Darwin's sake. In any case, technology has definitely changed in that time. Even Leonardo, who had lots of ideas and was definitely ahead of his time, didn't have the proper tools to turn them into reality at the time (and some of the knowledge required as well).

There are differences between designing (but not being able to implement) helicopters and submarines and designing (but not being able to implement) a necklace. Basic metallurgy was a huge advancement, but it pales in comparison to the combustion engine, amongst other things.

[Morty Smith]

4 possibilities:

 

1) The older Civilization is destroyed by nuclear weapons.

 

2) It was the Lizard Folk Civilization

 

3) Ancient Aliens

 

4) Combination of the above possibilities

 

5) It´s from a time when the oceans drank atlantis, and the rise of the sons of Aryas, there was an age undreamed of.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Wait a minute... I would consider that 40K years ago civilization highly advanced even if they could make something like these:

 

 

Note: Most of these may rust and decay after several thousand years, but if secured in a fine place they may survive...

[OdanUrr]

There are differences between designing (but not being able to implement) helicopters and submarines and designing (but not being able to implement) a necklace. Basic metallurgy was a huge advancement, but it pales in comparison to the combustion engine, amongst other things.

 

I agree. I also fail to see your point.

[Fast Jimmy]

I agree. I also fail to see your point.

The barriers of someone having the idea for something like metal working and then being able to accomplish it are much fewer than having the idea for a vertical flight vehicle. That's all I meant.

[OdanUrr]

The barriers of someone having the idea for something like metal working and then being able to accomplish it are much fewer than having the idea for a vertical flight vehicle. That's all I meant.

 

True. Still, those barriers could be just as daunting if we consider their respective times.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The barriers of someone having the idea for something like metal working and then being able to accomplish it are much fewer than having the idea for a vertical flight vehicle. That's all I meant.

 

While iron has a melting point of 1600 degrees Celsius, bronze has a melting point of 1000 degrees Celsius.

It took 2000 years for humanity to be able to forge and cast Iron with mass production. That 600 degrees was such a big deal I think.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

Iron smelting and the Iron Age

 

Iron smelting—the extraction of usable metal from oxidized iron ores—is more difficult than tin and copper smelting. While these metals and their alloys can be cold-worked or melted in relatively simple furnaces (such as the kilns used for pottery) and cast into molds, smelted iron requires hot-working and can be melted only in specially designed furnaces. Thus it is not surprising that humans only mastered the technology of smelted iron after several millennia of bronze metallurgy.

The place and time for the discovery of iron smelting is not known, partly because of the difficulty of distinguishing metal extracted from nickel-containing ores from hot-worked meteoritic iron.^[2] The archaeological evidence seems to point to the Middle East area, during the Bronze Age in the 3rd millennium BC. However iron artifacts remained a rarity until the 12th century BC.

The Iron Age is conventionally defined by the widespread use of steel weapons and tools, alongside or replacing bronze ones.^[7] That transition happened at different times in different places, as the technology spread through the Old World. Mesopotamia was fully into the Iron Age by 900 BC. Although Egypt produced iron artifacts, bronze remained dominant there until the conquest by Assyria in 663 BC. The Iron Age started in Central Europe around 500 BC, and in India and China sometime between 1200 and 500 BC.^[8] Around 500 BC, Nubia became a major manufacturer and exporter of iron. This was after the Nubians were expelled from Egypt by the Assyrians, who used iron weapons.

[In Exile]

I think the more obvious answer is Neadrathals or Denisovans having more advanced crafting than previously given credit for. Not aliens or some mystical species.

 

Seeing as how we interbred with our homonid cousins that's a plausible explanation. We also assume humanity wasn't historically co-extensive with other human-like species for a very long time, but that may be false. If so, then our earliest fossils aren't quite so indicative of how long we've been around. 

 

This does make sense, though, and comes up with a more plausible answer for our surprise genius (by animal kingdom scales). 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The real point is not many things lasted long so we can discover them. Most of the metals are rusted and unrecognizable

 

Most of the stuff from 100,000 years ago are simply Stone crafted weapons and tools (or bone). But if they had any metal, wooden, cloth and non-stone things, it is destroyed and is now unknown to us.

 

The only Anti-thesis I can find is "Gold". It can be melt in 1064 degree and it is said that Gold cannot rust. Not sure what can tens of thousand years do to gold though.

[General TSAR]

2000 years ago, Rome was the most powerful city in the known world.

 

This was 38000 years before that.

 

We are so small it's not even funny.

 

Indeed.

 

We could all nuke ourselves into hell and no one would care (well minus your respective deities but that's a whole 'nother topic).

[Fast Jimmy]

True. Still, those barriers could be just as daunting if we consider their respective times.

Well, yes and no. I can't imagine someone having the idea of melting and fashioning precious metals if there has never been significant enough amounts of metal found to do so, let alone the knowledge that metal can be melted down.

[Fast Jimmy]

The real point is not many things lasted long so we can discover them. Most of the metals are rusted and unrecognizable

Most of the stuff from 100,000 years ago are simply Stone crafted weapons and tools (or bone). But if they had any metal, wooden, cloth and non-stone things, it is destroyed and is now unknown to us.

The only Anti-thesis I can find is "Gold". It can be melt in 1064 degree and it is said that Gold cannot rust. Not sure what can tens of thousand years do to gold though.

Time destroys all things, Kaiser. Even gold hope.

[Riven326]

But what if it is... How do you know.

... It's the reapers.

[TheBunz]

It's a bracelet. Now if it were a watch, then that'd be something.

[TheBunz]

... It's the reapers.

Someone needs to make a Giorgio/Shepard meme picture.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Why are you guys debating metallurgy when the bracelet was made from chlorite? That's a very common mineral, a stone. It is also rather soft, you can work it with basic tools. You don't even need metal for that, wood hardened in fire would do. Or use drills made from quartz, which is a very common material, too.

 

I don't see anything here that points to previously unknown crafting techniques. We've known that the first humans practiced surgery, dentistry and even went as far as brain surgery. If you can drill a hole into a human skull without killing the patient, then you can easily fashion a bracelet from some soft stone you found lying around.

 

The early humans weren't stupid, they had more or less the same brain as us. Just because we can't imagine that someone 40.000 years ago could have made jewelery doesn't mean it's extraordinary.

Assuming that some master craftsman started at zero and then created this bracelet is nonsense, too. It's more likely that there have been generations of craftsmen before him and he was taught the necessary skills. This is what happens today, so why would it be any different in the past?

 

We haven't seen the tools, we haven't seen the failed attempts... only thing we found is a damaged, broken bracelet and a few bones.

 

Oh, did I mention that this story is from 2008? Why are you dragging this up again 7 years later? There is no new information.

[TheBunz]

[mybudgee]

 

 

You talk about your ex's a lot m9

[Sully13]

Pfft every one knows the earth is only 6000 years old.

[Draining Dragon]

Pfft every one knows the earth is only 6000 years old.

What are you talking about? The universe has only existed for 2015 years!

[Riven326]

40,000 year old bracelet. That means we only have 10,000 years to find the real Commander Shepard.

[Dr.Fumbles]

I think all of you are missing the big picture here. The answer is that Kay jewelers and Jared made a time machine and traveled back in time selling their stuff. It's the only explanation.