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[TheChosenOne]

To buy time to build up Outworlds defends, he already knew Shinnok would come for outworld after he's done with Earth

 

Kotal Kahn mainly cares about defending his own realm

 

But this is getting way off-topic

 

No! More MK!!

 

[leaguer of one]

To buy time to build up Outworlds defends, he already knew Shinnok would come for outworld after he's done with Earth

 

Kotal Kahn mainly cares about defending his own realm

 

But this is getting way off-topic

Yes it's off topic but this is Shinnok were talking about. he would kill the guy on the spot so grovelling won't help.

[leaguer of one]

No! More MK!!

 

[Gilsa]

To OP: They're not destined to die.

 

"There is no retirement from this life. But unlike the Grey Warden or the Templar, you don't wither. You'll die when you fail. Until then, glory."

 

Iron Bull's comments:

 

"I've heard about reavers. Brutally efficient, get meaner the more they hurt? Warriors after my own heart."

 

"Every warrior gets hurt. The good warriors fight better that way. We can always patch ourselves up once the other guy's dead, right?"

 

The morality part is subjective. There are good/bad champions, templars, etc.

[Diefree85]

To OP: They're not destined to die.

 

"There is no retirement from this life. But unlike the Grey Warden or the Templar, you don't wither. You'll die when you fail. Until then, glory."

 

Iron Bull's comments:

 

"I've heard about reavers. Brutally efficient, get meaner the more they hurt? Warriors after my own heart."

 

"Every warrior gets hurt. The good warriors fight better that way. We can always patch ourselves up once the other guy's dead, right?"

 

The morality part is subjective. There are good/bad champions, templars, etc.

True and kind of makes sense for a warrior. You just been made the leader and people are counting on you to save them. Problem is your enemy is simply a 100 times more powerful than you. You need power to beat him, but don't want to be addicted and Champions are defensive types. That dragon blood may start to look like a good alternative.

[themageguy]

Drinking dragons blood is supposed to make you more aggressive and have an increased desire to kill, but that's about it. Not true evil, but definitely going to have a mean streak according to canon. The reaver trainer being nice doesn't contradict that. I imagine it really only effects how you act with people you would probably want to see dead anyway even without being a reaver.

The point of the reaver being nice was to show that drinking blood doesn't mean you automatically become some psycho killer.

But yeah, agree with you that drinking the blood making a person more aggressive.

I think whats really interesting is that demons try to possess a reaver but they cant. That's pretty cool.

Also makes me wonder if it applies to a reaver mage.

[themageguy]

Cassandra's comments on the Reaver specialization:



Her comments suggest that you can get away with drinking a little dragon blood to get power, but continually drinking dragon's blood causes physical mutations and drives you insane.

Cant help but think the qunari drank way too much blood and formed the Qun as a way to temper their aggression.

[themageguy]

Also, id love to see the Iron Bull and Vivienne show up in MK:X.

[andy6915]

The point of the reaver being nice was to show that drinking blood doesn't mean you automatically become some psycho killer.

But yeah, agree with you that drinking the blood making a person more aggressive.

I think whats really interesting is that demons try to possess a reaver but they cant. That's pretty cool.

Also makes me wonder if it applies to a reaver mage.

 

Sounds to me like they would have about 30 seconds before half the fade's worth of demons try to possess them. Like taking a sugar cube and dropping it on ant hill.

[themageguy]

Sounds to me like they would have about 30 seconds before half the fade's worth of demons try to possess them. Like taking a sugar cube and dropping it on ant hill.

Haha powerful anthill though !

[andy6915]

Haha powerful anthill though !

 

My point is that you would get swarmed by an absolute legion of demons within maybe a minute of drinking dragon's blood as a mage. But that could be useful for a mage suicide bomber, just chug the blood in the middle of some high value target and next thing you know the place will be a demon Apocalypse. Sure, you'll become an abomination... But you're pretty much take out an entire city in the process. Be glad mages have thought to do this.

[themageguy]

I got your point tis all good.

[Sifr]

Cant help but think the qunari drank way too much blood and formed the Qun as a way to temper their aggression.

 

That's my thinking, perhaps the Qunari are like the Vulcans in Star Trek, who realised that they had aggressive tendencies that were starting to get the better of them, so they decided to rigidly adopt a new philsophy the Qun/Logic to attempt to curb these baser instincts?

 

I do like the theory that the Qunari attempted to breed in dragon traits to make them stronger, but were caught woefully unprepared for the side-effects. Would explain everything about why they fear losing control and hate magic so much?

[andy6915]

That's my thinking, perhaps the Qunari are like the Vulcans in Star Trek, who realised that they had aggressive tendencies that were starting to get the better of them, so they decided to rigidly adopt a new philsophy the Qun/Logic to attempt to curb these baser instincts?

 

I do like the theory that the Qunari attempted to breed in dragon traits to make them stronger, but were caught woefully unprepared for the side-effects. Would explain everything about why they fear losing control and hate magic so much?

 

Sooooo... Qunari are what Krogan will need to become in Mass Effect's later games to curb their aggressive and brutal tendencies to join to galactic community properly? You got to admit there's some strong similarity between how you talk about Kossith pre-Qun and Krogan as they were overall in the trilogy.

[Sifr]

Sooooo... Qunari are what Krogan will need to become in Mass Effect's later games to curb their aggressive and brutal tendencies to join to galactic community properly? You got to admit there's some strong similarity between how you talk about Kossith pre-Qun and Krogan as they were overall in the trilogy.

 

Well that's not to say that all Qunari are like that (too many unfortunate implications), just that the selective breeding and eugenics program that the Tamassarans employ might mean that the warriors are bred to have more aggression to make them better soldiers? The Arishok, Sten and Bull all are quite reserved individuals, but ferocious when riled or in combat? A Qunari baker or carpenter would likely have little of those traits breed into them conversely, because as civilians, they don't need them?

 

As for the Krogan becoming like the Qunari, I dunno... I think the problem with the Qun is that it fails to address the underlying problem? If some Qunari do suffer from a lack of self-control, having it imposed upon them isn't the answer because they're not dealing with it, just suppressing or ignoring it? Same with the Vulcans in Trek, they're merely bottling up their problems, rather than learning to deal with it as a society?

 

Why did humans in the real world fail to go the way of the Krogan and now blow themselves back into the Stone Age? Because while we weren't ready for the Nuclear Age, we eventually learned to deal with it as a society and cope with the responsibility? (Well at least, we have thus far?) The Krogan weren't prepared for it either but learned that lesson the hard way... and sadly, had history repeat when the Salarians uplifted them and gave them even more advanced technology way before they were ready to use it properly or responsibly?

 

As for the Qunari... I really wish we might get to see more Vashoth in the game, because thus far the only problems they seem to face is being ostracised by outsiders, rather than actually lacking the desire or ability to interact with them amicably? Plus they throw a huge spanner in the Qunari's belief that they need the Qun to not go crazy?

 

The Vashoth being able to live in peace are part of why I'm starting to suspect that the Qunari actually invented the Tal-Vashoth and are responsible for the more hostile groups that are bandits, as a means to control the population by creating a boogeyman that will make them not want to leave the Qun?

[Qun00]

Well that's not to say that all Qunari are like that (too many unfortunate implications), just that the selective breeding and eugenics program that the Tamassarans employ might mean that the warriors are bred to have more aggression to make them better soldiers? The Arishok, Sten and Bull all are quite reserved individuals, but ferocious when riled or in combat? A Qunari baker or carpenter would likely have little of those traits breed into them conversely, because as civilians, they don't need them?
 
As for the Krogan becoming like the Qunari, I dunno... I think the problem with the Qun is that it fails to address the underlying problem? If some Qunari do suffer from a lack of self-control, having it imposed upon them isn't the answer because they're not dealing with it, just suppressing or ignoring it? Same with the Vulcans in Trek, they're merely bottling up their problems, rather than learning to deal with it as a society?
 
Why did humans in the real world fail to go the way of the Krogan and now blow themselves back into the Stone Age? Because while we weren't ready for the Nuclear Age, we eventually learned to deal with it as a society and cope with the responsibility? (Well at least, we have thus far?) The Krogan weren't prepared for it either but learned that lesson the hard way... and sadly, had history repeat when the Salarians uplifted them and gave them even more advanced technology way before they were ready to use it properly or responsibly?
 
As for the Qunari... I really wish we might get to see more Vashoth in the game, because thus far the only problems they seem to face is being ostracised by outsiders, rather than actually lacking the desire or ability to interact with them amicably? Plus they throw a huge spanner in the Qunari's belief that they need the Qun to not go crazy?
 
The Vashoth being able to live in peace are part of why I'm starting to suspect that the Qunari actually invented the Tal-Vashoth and are responsible for the more hostile groups that are bandits, as a means to control the population by creating a boogeyman that will make them not want to leave the Qun?

That's possible.

But according to Cole, the qunari being prone to violence is sort of a thing, to a greater or smaller degree.

"Old blood, deeper, passion pounding, pulsing, unchecked. Raw rage ..."

[andy6915]

"Old blood, deeper, passion pounding, pulsing, unchecked. Raw rage ..."

 

Sounds like a Krogan to me.

 

I think Kossith acting like Krogan before they came up with the Qun is my head canon now. And don't mind my use of the word "Kossith", I actually am using it correctly here. Kossith is a near forgotten term that was used for the race before they became Qunari, and I'm using it to refer to the race of their pre-Qun days.

[themageguy]

I read in the draconology notes that dragons blood is resistant to the taint.

I wonder if this resistance is also passed along to the Reaver? Maybe it also helps a possible grey warden candidate survive the joining ritual?