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[Torgette]

Oh God yes. The Ebola thread was quite a phenomenon, what with the number of people actually thinking it was the end of the world. Made the BSN look like a haven of common sense and rationale. Scary thought!

Anyway, I like GAF. Yes, the Inquisition backlash has gone off the deep end somewhat (though it is at least polarising, rather than outright hated like da2), yes there are some there who are really salty about Bioware in general and will never manage to say anything non-hostile about them regardless of what games they make, and yes I often feel that my tastes in games run counter to those of most of GAF. But, plenty of good honest feedback there too, there were some good points quoted in the OP's post, and devs need to look somewhere outside of BSN for critical feedback I think. It can get very personal here sometimes, and usually isn't so bad on GAF.

 

This x1000, in fact it was the first thing to sour me on Neogaf was giving their suggestions legitimate chances and getting burned constantly. As for hostile environment, there's currently a 131+ page thread on Neogaf of people shitting on CDPR for downgrading TW3's graphics. Sure, there was a downgrade we get it, but as with everything Gaf it's like 5 good posts for every 50 hyperbole-loaded posts.

[Teddie Sage]

Because it doesn't match with your opinion? lol 

 

Especially BSN seriously? There are much worse places

sry this is a discussion forum not a fanboy one

Try harder. You're on BSN, BioWare Social Network. It's meant to have both fans and haters. 

[AllThatJazz]

This x1000, in fact it was the first thing to sour me on Neogaf was giving their suggestions legitimate chances and getting burned constantly. As for hostile environment, there's currently a 131+ page thread on Neogaf of people shitting on CDPR for downgrading TW3's graphics. Sure, there was a downgrade we get it, but as with everything Gaf it's like 5 good posts for every 50 hyperbole-loaded posts.

Haha, I've been reading that downgrade thread. 'Aaah! My Eyes! The foliage in this game looks marginally worse than the foliage in another game! CDPR, they lie!' I mean yes, you're right, a downgrade has happened to a degree, but still ...

 

 

And yeah, I've been burned by GAF recommendations too. More than once I've wondered if I've bought the right game.

[wolfhowwl]

Haha, I've been reading that downgrade thread. 'Aaah! My Eyes! The foliage in this game looks marginally worse than the foliage in another game! CDPR, they lie!' I mean yes, you're right, a downgrade has happened to a degree, but still ...

 

 

And yeah, I've been burned by GAF recommendations too. More than once I've wondered if I've bought the right game.

 

Any examples?

 

I was let down by the Uncharted 2 hype but I only paid $2.50 so who cares.

[AllThatJazz]

Any examples?

 

I was let down by the Uncharted 2 hype but I only paid $2.50 so who cares.

Personally? Bravely Default springs to mind. I mean, it was a perfectly decent game, but from the GAF threads I went in expecting a mind-blowing tiny little masterpiece and what I got was an enjoyable enough title with some boring bits. Same with the Bayonetta games. I had a good time with those too, but GAF managed to convince me I was in for the gaming experience of my life and well, no. Also, Divinity:Original Sin. Now this one isn't GAF, really. I keep buying Larian games even though I always dislike their writing style and find their stories pretty unmemorable and have done since Divine Divinity. But damn, the OT on GAF makes it sound mouthwateringly good. So I bit and whaddya know? I didn't really like the writing style and found the story unmemorable :/ I need to stop reading threads that get me all excited.

 

On the other hand, it was GAF that got me into the Ace Attorney games, Ghost Trick and 999, so I guess it evens out in the end because I do like those games very much

[wolfhowwl]

Isn't Bravely Default the game that keeps repeating...and repeating?

 

Also I am legit shook that MGS4 got voted 2008 GOTY there...twice.

[AllThatJazz]

Isn't Bravely Default the game that keeps repeating...and repeating?

 

Also I am legit shook that MGS4 got voted 2008 GOTY there...twice.

*Shudders* yes. So boring,

 

To be fair, 999 does something similar, but does it better imo.

 

I haven't played MGS4. That bad?

[Eelectrica]

Now that they have experience with the FB engine hopefully they can tell the story they want to tell instead of cutting a good chunk if it due to engine technicalities..

Same with sidequests. A few minor choices and a tiny back story will elevate them I think. They don't need to be accompanied by cinematics either.

[CronoDragoon]

Worth mentioning that Inquisition came in 4th in NeoGAF's GOTY thread, behind 3 Nintendo games. The only game that received more #1 votes was Bayonetta 2. So, the game does in fact get plenty of love on GAF, but it also has very vocal detractors. In the end, Inquisition will end up like MGS4 and BioShock Infinite where the revisionist history is that a lot more people hated the game than actually do.

[AresKeith]

Worth mentioning that Inquisition came in 4th in NeoGAF's GOTY thread, behind 3 Nintendo games. The only game that received more #1 votes was Bayonetta 2. So, the game does in fact get plenty of love on GAF, but it also has very vocal detractors. In the end, Inquisition will end up like MGS4 and BioShock Infinite where the revisionist history is that a lot more people hated the game than actually do.

 

Shame too because I still like those games lol

[Zjarcal]

Worth mentioning that Inquisition came in 4th in NeoGAF's GOTY thread, behind 3 Nintendo games. The only game that received more #1 votes was Bayonetta 2. So, the game does in fact get plenty of love on GAF, but it also has very vocal detractors. In the end, Inquisition will end up like MGS4 and BioShock Infinite where the revisionist history is that a lot more people hated the game than actually do.

 

I thought both those games were generally well loved... maybe I don't catch up on my revisionist history lessons.

 

(I do hate Infinite doe)

[Saphiron123]

So... NeoGaf needs to be taken seriously why?

Can't say I disagree with any of OP's post. Origins was far superior. The story was superior, the tactics made the ai superior, the choices were superior, the skills and spells were superior (and numerous). DAI is watered down.

And seriously, collecting 50 copies of Varrick's book is the sort of thing DAO used to make fun of (the blacksmoth in ostagar for instance would make fun of you if you offered to find his helper and suit of missing chainmail, because you have actual stuff to do... that was just a new warden, but apparently collecting bear claws is a task worthy of the inquisitor).

[CronoDragoon]

I thought both those games were generally well loved... maybe I don't catch up on my revisionist history lessons.

 

(I do hate Infinite doe)

 

They are well loved! That's the thing: MGS4 won 2008 GOTY, and then when a vocal minority pissed and moaned about it for 4 years, they held ANOTHER 2008 GOTY vote in 2012. What happened? Metal Gear Solid 4 won again. Meanwhile, BioShock Infinite was 2nd in GOTY voting for 2013 but lost...to The Last of Us. Now every few months you get a new Infinite thread about people saying it's a trash game.

 

Personally, I'm fine with Inquisition keeping company with those two games when it comes to being a popular but polarizing game.

[wolfhowwl]

*Shudders* yes. So boring,
 
To be fair, 999 does something similar, but does it better imo.
 
I haven't played MGS4. That bad?

 
Yes.
 
2008 wasn't the greatest year but still there were far more worthy contenders than that travesty.
 

They are well loved! That's the thing: MGS4 won 2008 GOTY, and then when a vocal minority pissed and moaned about it for 4 years, they held ANOTHER 2008 GOTY vote in 2012. What happened? Metal Gear Solid 4 won again.

Good doesn't always win over evil.

[RaggieRags]

NeoGaf has the reputation of being one of the most civil gaming forums on the Internet (this place... *cough* not so much). It's also hated by gamergaters, so it should get points for that. But even so, no forum anywhere is going to give you "The Truth" of how good DA:I is. It's a matter of personal taste and preference. In the immortal words of J.R.R. Tolkien:

 

"Dragon Age Inquisition

is one of those things;

if you like it, then you do.

If you don't, then you boo."

[Zjarcal]

It's also hated by gamergaters, so it should get points for that.

 
Anything that upsets gamergaters should get massive bonus points.
 

They are well loved! That's the thing: MGS4 won 2008 GOTY, and then when a vocal minority pissed and moaned about it for 4 years, they held ANOTHER 2008 GOTY vote in 2012. What happened? Metal Gear Solid 4 won again. Meanwhile, BioShock Infinite was 2nd in GOTY voting for 2013 but lost...to The Last of Us. Now every few months you get a new Infinite thread about people saying it's a trash game.
 
Personally, I'm fine with Inquisition keeping company with those two games when it comes to being a popular but polarizing game.

I like when things I love are hated, makes em more special for me. 

[RaggieRags]

There is never ever going to be a Dragon Age (or any game, for that matter) that is going to be loved by everyone everywhere.

 

Silly topic. The OP is free to have opinions, but cherry picking posts from some forum thread to back it up is just pointless. It's not like everyone on that thread even dislikes DA:I. In fact, DA:I was #4 in the NeoGaf GOTY poll.

[Lulubelle]

Worth mentioning that Inquisition came in 4th in NeoGAF's GOTY thread, behind 3 Nintendo games. The only game that received more #1 votes was Bayonetta 2. So, the game does in fact get plenty of love on GAF, but it also has very vocal detractors. In the end, Inquisition will end up like MGS4 and BioShock Infinite where the revisionist history is that a lot more people hated the game than actually do.

 

I'm not sure if it's revisionist. People who aren't attracted to DA:I are more likely to buy it a few months later during discounts and then not like it anyway. Everyone talks about opwn world like that's some sort of holy grail, and DA:I really does open world well, but in truth it's YMMV.

[Torgette]

They are well loved! That's the thing: MGS4 won 2008 GOTY, and then when a vocal minority pissed and moaned about it for 4 years, they held ANOTHER 2008 GOTY vote in 2012. What happened? Metal Gear Solid 4 won again. Meanwhile, BioShock Infinite was 2nd in GOTY voting for 2013 but lost...to The Last of Us. Now every few months you get a new Infinite thread about people saying it's a trash game.

 

Personally, I'm fine with Inquisition keeping company with those two games when it comes to being a popular but polarizing game.

 

MGS4 was polarizing because the story was halfway between epic blockbuster and fan-servicey anime, the gameplay was also easily abused and you had to force yourself to play it certain ways to get that "pure stealth" experience. Many years later though I probably like it more now because of those eccentricities than had it played it safe. Still not my GOTY of 2008 though.

[JeffZero]

Worth mentioning that Inquisition came in 4th in NeoGAF's GOTY thread, behind 3 Nintendo games. The only game that received more #1 votes was Bayonetta 2. So, the game does in fact get plenty of love on GAF, but it also has very vocal detractors. In the end, Inquisition will end up like MGS4 and BioShock Infinite where the revisionist history is that a lot more people hated the game than actually do.

I've literally had the exact same thought before.

[In Exile]

I'm not sure if it's revisionist. People who aren't attracted to DA:I are more likely to buy it a few months later during discounts and then not like it anyway. Everyone talks about opwn world like that's some sort of holy grail, and DA:I really does open world well, but in truth it's YMMV.

The state of gaming today revolves around a substantial portion of hate-oriented "fandoms". Look at POE - lots of hate for a game that was a love letter to isometric top-down infinity engine RPGs. I think the volume of dissatisfaction in gaming today is no longer a useful metric of the reception of a game. Every game is going to get haters unless it's a new release by an unknown company. Even CDPR has fallen from its perch recently.

All of this is to say that I don't think the hate DAI received is necessarily indicative of the views of a great portion of its purchasers. It may be reflective - but proof of that has to come from something other than the volume of complaints.

[TheOgre]

Part of my anxiety with this game was my myriad of crashing issues. I'm certain if I got it for ps4 I think I would have had a better experience.

 

And it is true, no forum out there can give you 'the truth'. Just a myriad of Yay's and Nay's. Hopefully you look for the posts that have details on why they like or dislike it and then try it yourself if your that kind of person. I am.

[Dreamer]

So... NeoGaf needs to be taken seriously why?

 

How 'bout you just deconstruct the arguments being made instead of resorting to the identity politics nonsense.

[Shechinah]

Tell Tale Games get to the point and it's more successful at telling stories, Breaking Bad is amazing and brilliant, it went to the point, Game of Thrones is amazing, it got me hooked and it got to the point.

There are no proper beats in DA:I. There is too much fluff and grinding in the game to create the artificial gameplay extension and it's sickening.  

I adore both series and their storytelling but I am not sure they are comparable to Dragon Age; Telltale Games have about an hour or two each episode with a season often being five episodes in total and focuses heavily on dialogue and point-and-click. They do not have different classes to pick, races to play and the player you'll play still has auto-dialogue with a pre-established background. They have also have an arguably set story with characters that'll die or survive in most cases regardless of the choices selected by the players and should they survive a potentially deadly situation, they'll be marked "determinate" which often results in them dying. Telltale Games features heavily the illusion of player choice but rarely does the choice matter as much as it is portrayed with few exceptions.

 

Once again, I say this as a person who loves Telltale Games but I'm not sure their mechanic and way of portraying their story is entirely comparable but I may be misunderstanding your point. 

 

I'm a bit confused as to what you see as the "point" of Telltale Games, perhaps you would be so kind as to elaborate on what you see as the point of some of their games' story and in addition, provide one for "Game of Thrones" as well since I am confused about that as well?