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How successful is DA:I for Bioware?


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Metacritic allows for anyone to post scores and reviews, so many are invalid. Flawed math is used to adjust scores, and many scores appear on launch day, or possibly earlier. As it draws both extreme views (ie; Zeros and Tens) and actually uses them as part of the equations, the site is full of false data; not a top choice to look for intel.


It has, however, been cited repeatedly within the industry as something that is taken very seriously. Insider data has backed this up too.

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Isn't metacritic mostly a device to voice frustration with certain aspects, rather than the actual representative quality of a game on its own?

 

It strikes me as a way of collectively going "you did this thing, so we'll destroy you on metacritic for it", in most cases.


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The other point is that VGs are like movies. Raw numbers are great and all, but exceeding expectations is THE key to getting a sequel greenlight (and getting more resources).

The old-gen comment is interesting and possibly bad news.


I thought the same re: old-gen. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that EA will retroactively mandate cross-gen support for NME. I do doubt it though.

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The old-gen comment is interesting and possibly bad news.

It's bad news for old-gen gamers too; we'll have to put up with another buggy mess.



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Isn't metacritic mostly a device to voice frustration with certain aspects, rather than the actual representative quality of a game on its own?

 

It strikes me as a way of collectively going "you did this thing, so we'll destroy you on metacritic for it", in most cases.

In a lot of cases, yes, but I believe publishers depend more on the average media score than the user one.  Or at least I hope they do.

 

I thought the same re: old-gen. It isn't out of the realm of possibility that EA will retroactively mandate cross-gen support for NME. I do doubt it though.

I doubt it too, considering Ubisoft has made clear they are leaving last gen behind in most cases.



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It's bad news for old-gen gamers too; we'll have to put up with another buggy mess.


Quite so. My condolences.

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Do we? Its metacritic score is pretty mediocre for a Bioware game

Metac--... *snort*

Metacritic is filled with an angry mob that gives 0 for no reason other than "EHRMAHGERD SHTOOPET EA SHTOOPET COMPANY!" It's like fanboying but the opposite.

I mean, for example: 1 guy gave the game a 0 because his game was glitched and he couldn't save in the Hinterlands. He thought that it was done on purpose and basically began to "character assassinate/send ad hominems" to Bioware (as far as that is possible). The entire review was just him going on a RAEG-fest.

Anyone that thinks the user-based metacritic score is valid is really bandwagoning on this "hate the developers" idea that has been on the rise lately. Because apparently the way to improve video games when there has been a huge stream of bad/poor quality games is to throw insults towards the developers.


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Metac--... *snort*

Metacritic is filled with an angry mob that gives 0 for no reason other than "EHRMAHGERD SHTOOPET EA SHTOOPET COMPANY!" It's like fanboying but the opposite.

I mean, for example: 1 guy gave the game a 0 because his game was glitched and he couldn't save in the Hinterlands. He thought that it was done on purpose and basically began to "character assassinate/send ad hominems" to Bioware (as far as that is possible). The entire review was just him going on a RAEG-fest.

Anyone that thinks the user-based metacritic score is valid is really bandwagoning on this "hate the developers" idea that has been on the rise lately. Because apparently the way to improve video games when there has been a huge stream of bad/poor quality games is to throw insults towards the developers.


I wasn't referring to the user scores.

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The user scores are taken considerably less seriously by all industry accounts I have read.

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How many threads are you gonna make about this?
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I wasn't referring to the user scores.

Since when is a 8.5 mediocre? o.O


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Since when is a 8.5 mediocre? o.O


Context is key here.

Wulfram regarded said 8.5 relative to the score of previous BioWare titles.

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It's bad news for old-gen gamers too; we'll have to put up with another buggy mess.


How so? I doubt the next DA game will come up on old gen. ME already abandoned it.

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Also, OP, you stated you think DAI was a terrible game, but I read a topic you Made in february (linked in a signature) where you said you'd rate it 7/10. Did you change your mind?
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Seven out of ten, worst video game.
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How many threads are you gonna make about this?

Until everyone knows how much he hates Inquisition.  :P


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I think it's overwhelmingly likely that DAI is successful enough to guarantee a sequel, which is all that really matters from my point of view. However you slice it, it's been better received than DA2, and that got a sequel - a sequel with a substantial investment of time and money, at that. (I love DA2, just as much as I love DAO and DAI, but I recognise that this is not a universal opinion.)

 

Whatever flaws DA4 has (and there will be something) I doubt they'll be the same as the flaws in DAI. Say what you want about the franchise, DA2 mostly doesn't have the same weaknesses as DAO, and DAI doesn't have the same weaknesses as DAO or DA2 but a new set all its own.


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Gaider recently said Dragon Age is the Alien franchise of gaming, what with its constant changes in approach. Heh.
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When I said the old gen sales were bad news, I was thinking of it in terms of bugs or pushing ME4 on them. Rather, I just thought was more of justification for a corporate top-down design winning out vs. a performance-first outlook. 

 

Gaider recently said Dragon Age is the Alien franchise of gaming, what with its constant changes in approach. Heh.

 

Except for the fact that the sequel to Alien was good. ;)

 

I thought I had a better joke in there. Meh. 



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I wasn't referring to the user scores.

 

Even the critic reviews are no longer that good to judge by for they don't always measure the same way and some places are even abandoning a score altogether now.

 

Now I know you said you aren't going by user scores, but when they admitted they deleted user scores for Mass Effect 3 because they caught people violating the rules, to me it puts a big asterisk next to the entire system if it was that easily manipulated. I find scores to be a problem with reviews anymore, for I get a lot more out of the entire article then the final score to help me decide if the game is worthy.



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Since when is a 8.5 mediocre? o.O

 

The way the industry looks at metacritic it isn't a great score.



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How so? I doubt the next DA game will come up on old gen. ME already abandoned it.

 

Given the way BW have treated old gen customers I doubt sales on old gen would continue to be strong. 



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I also want story focused (and linear) Bioware games back but it really seems like those days are over

 

Speak for yourself.  That's the last thing I want.  I can watch a movie if I want rigid linearity and story over gameplay.  DAI is terrific as it is, and I hope the next game in the franchise builds on the approach, rather than backpedaling into the disappointingly restrictive DA2.  My guess is that making it open-world and accessible has boosted popularity/profitability.  That would bode well for getting what I want next time around.



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I know my hate for DA:I can be a bit too much but DA was one of my favourite game series and it failed for me in every way

So I'm still here complaining and hoping that Bioware will listen

 

Well I think we need to establish what exactly you loved about the Dragon Age series and how Dragon Age Inquisition failed to tap into the elements of that series that appeal most to you?



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It has, however, been cited repeatedly within the industry as something that is taken very seriously. Insider data has backed this up too.


It does not matter if Dr Sheldon Cooper uses the site; bogus scores, skewed algorithms, and openly allowing for non-Players to review the product invalidates the data. Add in large numbers of same day scores at launch (or before), and the result is rather messy.
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