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[JeffZero]

It does not matter if Dr Sheldon Cooper uses the site; bogus scores, skewed algorithms, and openly allowing for non-Players to review the product invalidates the data. Add in large numbers of same day scores at launch (or before), and the result is rather messy.

No, respectfully, it still matters.

It matters because project greenlights, budgets, assigned personnel, overarching vision, these are all impacted by the Metacritic score of previous titles. So long as this is the case within the AAA development scene it is going to matter.

There appears to be a substantial disconnect between us as to what is important in this scenario. Perhaps that is the root of this back-and-forth. You are positing that because it is flawed it is irrelevent. If you do not believe that industry impact is an important aspect then you are not incorrect, I suppose.

[Seraphim24]

PSX era, IMO!

 

Maybe 7 and 9, but I can't help but think 7 or 9 were so close in concept to IV and VI anyway.... ah well.

[Elhanan]

No, respectfully, it still matters.

It matters because project greenlights, budgets, assigned personnel, overarching vision, these are all impacted by the Metacritic score of previous titles. So long as this is the case within the AAA development scene it is going to matter.

There appears to be a substantial disconnect between us as to what is important in this scenario. Perhaps that is the root of this back-and-forth. You are positing that because it is flawed it is irrelevent. If you do not believe that industry impact is an important aspect then you are not incorrect, I suppose.

Let me say that I refuse to use it knowing that the results are flawed for games. For other products, it may be different, though I still refuse to use an invalid source for information. If these other matters of importance wish to use it, then that also seems to speak to their standard of veracity. Whether or not the site has importance is beside the point; the information is invalid.

Reminds me of sports stars that use substances; still set records until they are stripped later for the abuse.

[Guha sharan]

I don't mind the open world. I can learn to live with only 8 abilities on the quickbar. But I really can't stand them destroying their own lore and using a sub standard storyline. The third Dragon Age was a big disappointment to me.
The trouble is it's a decent game. It's gameplay is arguably better and to those new to Bioware games is easily satisfactory. The story is average but passable it seems. The side quests were unoriginal and the only one I enjoyed even remotely was the mage side quest and to a lesser extent the one in the Winter Palace.

I hope Bioware will return focus to the story but they probably will continue making Inquisitionesqe games

[Sanunes]

No, respectfully, it still matters.

It matters because project greenlights, budgets, assigned personnel, overarching vision, these are all impacted by the Metacritic score of previous titles. So long as this is the case within the AAA development scene it is going to matter.

There appears to be a substantial disconnect between us as to what is important in this scenario. Perhaps that is the root of this back-and-forth. You are positing that because it is flawed it is irrelevent. If you do not believe that industry impact is an important aspect then you are not incorrect, I suppose.

 

Honestly, I think copies sold has more to do with those aspects of game development over a critical score, especially when its becoming known what Metacritc does, such as assigning their own score if a review doesn't have one (I know they do this with movies).

[JeffZero]

Oh, copies sold is certainly more important. It's direct cash; that's always going to be #1.

[KaiserShep]

The side quests were unoriginal and the only one I enjoyed even remotely was the mage side quest and to a lesser extent the one in the Winter Palace.

 

Those aren't side quests.

[PhroXenGold]

Oh, copies sold is certainly more important. It's direct cash; that's always going to be #1.

 

Of course, copies sold alone isn't the only factor in direct cash, as you well pointed out earlier in this thread.

 

Which is why I've long wondered exactly how succesful DA2 was. Yes, it sold less copies than it's prededessor, but I'd be suprised if didn't cost less to make, and thus could well have had a better RoI.

[In Exile]

Of course, copies sold alone isn't the only factor in direct cash, as you well pointed out earlier in this thread.

Which is why I've long wondered exactly how succesful DA2 was. Yes, it sold less copies than it's prededessor, but I'd be suprised if didn't cost less to make, and thus could well have had a better RoI.

DA2 may have been profitable (and even beat expectations if they were realistic) but it really damaged the Bioware and DA brand. Even if it wad profitable I'd hesitate to call it a success.

[Beomer]

I'm sure they made a neat profit in sales with DAI because of all the hype about it and them reiterating again and again that they'd learned from DA2 and this was the DA game that the fans wanted.

I'm also certain that despite the 'critical' acclaim the eventual sales figures of DAI would have petered down faster than those of DAO.

And lastly I'm also certain that there will be a DA4. And as much as I might dislike the gameplay, I'd probably come back for the story, at least as long as there's even a single character from DAO still around.

[Dieb]

I think it was Flynn who said at one point that wheras DAO was your blockbuster cinema, DA2 was more like an arthouse experimental thing. It was also originally intended to not be a full release, which makes an incredible amount of sense to me in retrospect; since all of the more kind reviews point out it how feels like a television series rather than a movie. Accordingly, my reasoning is that EA simply wasn't too enthusiastic about the outlook of something experimental naturally not selling as well, so they crunched it together into a "direct" sequel.

 

That being said, I think DAI definitely was the financially most successful installment in the long run. DAO was incredibly expensive at the time & took nearly forever to make, DA2 swung with myself and four other guys at best & was patched together from an episodic format into a half-assed mess, and DAI is sort of a crowd pleaser with the features it provides alone.

 

I can only say from my multiplayer experience, that I'm getting matched up with people who have never played a Dragon Age game before, more than with those who in fact have. (That may also be due to sort of a resistance versus the addition of MP that formed among veterans, so it's not much of a direct link either)

[Majestic Jazz]

Since I think its terrible I'm afraid for the future of the franchise

 

They only changed things because DA2 flopped (sadly, it was a good game but needed more time)
 

Anyone know any numbers? Will we be getting DA:I 2 at this rate? (pls no)

 

 

Unfortunately, it seems as if DAI was a financial success as well as success critic wise seeing how it swept the 2014 GOTY awards (due to 2014 being a weak year in gaming I must note). So yeah, there WILL be a Dragon Age 4 and most likely, it will be similar to that of DAI rather than DAO or DA2.

 

Outside of these forums you'll get a more well-rounded opinion of DAI especially when it comes to the open-world approach and blank protagonist. Here, everyone is a DAI fanboy so you'll get no traction here. 

[Elhanan]

Unfortunately, it seems as if DAI was a financial success as well as success critic wise seeing how it swept the 2014 GOTY awards (due to 2014 being a weak year in gaming I must note). So yeah, there WILL be a Dragon Age 4 and most likely, it will be similar to that of DAI rather than DAO or DA2.
 
Outside of these forums you'll get a more well-rounded opinion of DAI especially when it comes to the open-world approach and blank protagonist. Here, everyone is a DAI fanboy so you'll get no traction here.

Yes, because there is so little complaining found here....

[Fearsome1]

The world... I think it's to big. There isn't enough gripping, thrilling content in the large world to keep me interested in it. I like open worlds. 

 

Actually there is plenty of gripping, thrilling content in the rather large world of Thedas (aka The Dragon Age Setting), but thus far we're still tied somewhat to the original game in various ways. As many fans point out, the lore has alluded to other nations within the DA setting, for example the ongoing Tevinter/Qunari conflict. Hints have been proffered that suggest this may be where we head in Dragon Age 4, and I really hope that proves to be accurate?

 

We need to expand beyond the borders of Ferelden to take in some of this world. Fans have also been asking for more Deep Roads, and again, hints of dwarven-related dlc have been teased in recent weeks. Time will tell?

 

I don't have a problem with a similarly sized sequel following Inquisition, but those areas really need to mirror the type of substantive content as Crestwood had this time out, and the main storyline needs to last longer next time too. I have enjoyed the Wardens, Templars/Mages, and even growing the Inquisition, but just because this organization exists should not necessitate it being a launchpad for the next game. 

 

Bioware should take us to another corner of the world and unleash its talents for instance over in Seheron or the Anderfels or Rivain or Antiva or Par Vollen or Tevinter or the Free Marches; not just keep referencing these locales??

[Dieb]

Here, everyone is a DAI fanboy so you'll get no traction here. 

 

Generic evoked reaction highlighting diversity of opinions and prefe- ... ahh, what's the point.

 

Here's a wolf looking suspicious for everybody's entertainment instead!

 

 

Isn't it cute how its both alert yet precariously suspicious? It's almost like a person! Oh, funny wolf gifs. You're silly.

 

 

Back to the topic.

[Majestic Jazz]

Yes, because there is so little complaining found here....

 

Scattered complaining that is more about certain details of the game. I am talking about people who all out do not like DAI and hates everything that it stands for.

 

I mean lets be honest here, DAI is NOT Bioware's best game in terms of quality, but because it is their "best selling" game of all time, it is subjectively touted as Bioware's best game. Hell, Jade Empire was more intriguing than DAI. Furthermore, DAI features in my opinion, the weakest/blank-state protagonist that Bioware has ever created. When I think of the Warden I think of a hero (especially an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden). When I think of Hawke I think of an ordinary person who was at the center of major events and help bring order to a city. The IQ doesn't have that same draw to me. Then there are Revan (KOTOR), The Last Spirit Monk (Jade Empire), and Shepard (Mass Effect) of which all of them are better protagonist than the IQ. But that doesn't matter because DAI is Bioware's best game ever financially right?

 

So when people such as myself complain about DAI, its out of frustration that people are giving Bioware a false impression that DAI is actually THAT great of a game in which it isn't. Then people want to throw out the MANY awards that DAI brought in but as JeffZero made clear, 2014 was already a VERY weak year in gaming but SOMEBODY had to be Game of the Year, might as well be DAI since it sucked less than the rest of the 2014 lineup. If DAI released this year against Witcher 3, Arkham Knight, Halo 5, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (possibly 2015 release), Metal Gear Solid V, and Star Wars: Battlefront.....DAI would not NOT won so many GOTY awards if any. Hell, with Deus Ex and Witcher 3, it would barely win RPG GOTY. This is a different stroke then say Mass Effect 1 and KOTOR which won many GOTY awards and it wasn't because they were released in a slow year. Again, doesnt matter because it isn't KOTOR or Mass Effect that is Bioware's best selling game.....it is DAI and thats all that matters to EA/Bioware.

 

 

Transformers 4 was a HUGE hit financially but does that mean Transformers 4 is Michael Bay's best movie ever in terms of quality? Does this mean that it is Paramount Picture's best movie ever in terms of quality?

[In Exile]

The Warden is the ultimate personality-less insert-here protagonist. There's nothing to the character besides being an awesome murderer and the (admittedly great) origins. But post-Ostagar you are an awesome murder who murders the **** out of things that need murdering, and everyone then needs you to sort out their lives. At least the Inquisitor has a justification for that kind of reverent deference.

[JeffZero]

Outside of these forums you'll get a more well-rounded opinion of DAI especially when it comes to the open-world approach and blank protagonist. Here, everyone is a DAI fanboy so you'll get no traction here.

I'm curious where you've been frequenting. NeoGAF is about even with the BSN, GameFAQs is a bit more in its favor, reddit is a fair bit more in its favor, TrekBBS quite agrees with it, and Cracked thought it was genuine crack.

[Elhanan]

Lets be honest here; everyone has an opinion, but none are worth more or less than others save those that are informed ones. Simply because one hates the game and another loves it matters little; opinions will differ. But as far as success, sales and actual data may have something to do with it.

I prefer DAO to DAI; also like and enjoy DA2, ME3, SWTOR, and more. I prefer more quickslots, more Player control over Attributes, weapon choices, switching weapons during combat, Point & Click movement, and more. This does not equate DAI to being a bad game; just not the one I would like to see. My opinion is that DAI could have been better. That said, I already have two completed campaigns, and have started a few more Inq's for later.

Here is to DA4!

[JeffZero]

I mean lets be honest here, DAI is NOT Bioware's best game in terms of quality, but because it is their "best selling" game of all time, it is subjectively touted as Bioware's best game.

I'm maybe not frequenting the appropriate topics, but I haven't seen that said here more than a few stray times.

[Kantr]

I'm curious where you've been frequenting. NeoGAF is about even with the BSN, GameFAQs is a bit more in its favor, reddit is a fair bit more in its favor, TrekBBS quite agrees with it, and Cracked thought it was genuine crack.

Cracked forums or the website itself? Didnt know they did reviews.

[JeffZero]

Cracked forums or the website itself? Didnt know they did reviews.

The forums. I was talking about user chatter in this instance.

[AresKeith]

Outside of these forums you'll get a more well-rounded opinion of DAI especially when it comes to the open-world approach and blank protagonist. Here, everyone is a DAI fanboy so you'll get no traction here. 

 

You're either blissfully ignorant or lying and actively ignoring everything

[Geth Supremacy]

Since I think its terrible I'm afraid for the future of the franchise

 

They only changed things because DA2 flopped (sadly, it was a good game but needed more time)
 

Anyone know any numbers? Will we be getting DA:I 2 at this rate? (pls no)

 

If you want some likes I can make a thread that says I don't like the game and then you can reply to the OP and say you do  like the game.  If you need some just let me know.