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[Heimdall]

What does the "cinematic approach" even mean?

[FKA_Servo]

What does the "cinematic approach" even mean?

 

Fancy "immersive" camera closeups on their blank "Bioware" facial expressions, jarring auto-dialogue, and cutscenes cutscenes cutscenes.

[Ariella]

 

At the end of the day, CDPR's fans continue to be the most annoying part about them. To be fair, I readily believe the same about Bioware's fans. Gamers are just generally terrible.

 

Nah, not gamers. Mob mentality in general, and honestly this ain't nothing compared to Sox and Cubs fans, or Bears and Packers in my experience.

 

The trick is to know when to duck, and know when a tactical withdrawal is called for. 

[Ariella]

@Midnight Tea

 

Giving Obama TW2 is actually a bit more amusing knowing the fact that Chicago has a huge Polish population. Which probably sent them through the roof.

 

As for success, I agree with you, LinksOcarina. The only measure that matters is how EA feels. That will be what determines if DA 4 gets made.

[midnight tea]

@Midnight Tea

 

Giving Obama TW2 is actually a bit more amusing knowing the fact that Chicago has a huge Polish population. Which probably sent them through the roof.

 

I was actually born there as well and know the population that lives there (lots of family/friends) - a lot of them are old or old-fashioned. In general, they don't like Obama, they don't like our current government and hardly anyone plays games or knows much about computers So I'm not sure many people from Chicago care that much - what's important is that many media outlets have picked the story, including gaming sites and magazines.

Either way it was a nifty marketing move - I mean, which game company can honestly say that they have heads of their government pretty much advertising their products at no cost and vouching for their quality?

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

NWN OC was probably the worst game put out to date by Bioware.

Sonic Chronicles says hi!

[Ariella]

Sonic Chronicles says hi!

Choke... I'd forgotten about that. Of course I think that's the only post bg game of Bioware I didn't pick up.

@Midnight Tea

I suppose so. Forgive me, I'm a little punchy. My 'gaming' recently has been stemming the ravening horde released for summer break.

[In Exile]

I wasn't there, so I can' the sure, but I remember reading NWN wasn't really well received launch.
Not to mention DAO being already criticized for Not being a true Bioware game and being dumbed down.

NWN was a disaster on release. Following up on BG2 with that game? It's not a perfect analogy but imagine DA2 after DAO and it's mostly how it went down. Then we had KoTOR which - as a simplified console game ported to PC - wasn't exactly a darling despite how many fans it drew to Bioware.

The whole "remember how beloved Bioware was back in the day" nostalgia is just a roundabout way of saying "I remember the time I liked them most".

Also LOL at the idea that the development arm of one of the biggest worldwide publisher of games isn't "corporate" (whatever that even means).

[Majestic Jazz]

At the end of the day, CDPR's fans continue to be the most annoying part about them. To be fair, I readily believe the same about Bioware's fans. Gamers are just generally terrible.

Actually I am more of a Bioware fan. I was not bullish on TW1 and TW2, but TW3 has caught my attention. However, Bioware caught my attention way back in 2003 with KOTOR and has had it ever since with the only game I really dislike being DAI. Even then I am excited to see where Bioware takes DA4 and lets not forget about ME4 being officially revealed next week. If I could only play WRPGs from one developer, it would be Bioware. However, I still recognize the great things that TW3 does well like open world gameplay and side quest, two things I hope would influence Bioware to do better with in DA4.

I am a Bioware fan, but that does not mean that I cannot see greatness in non-Bioware games.

[In Exile]

Or it could be EA took over as the sole publisher of Bioware. The cinematic approach actually started with KOTOR and was enhanced with ME1 and during that time, people LOVED Bioware. So if the cinematics is what turned people then the hate would have started in 2003, not 2010 which was when ME2 released under EA.

 

That's, again, not what happened. Following KoTOR the PC crowd look to Bioware as, essentially, pariahs that abandoned everything that made them good. Just look at the Codex and how it reacts to Bioware. JE was mostly the straw that broke the camels back on that point.

 

And ME1 was by no means something that "enhanced" Bioware's reputation. It was a critically well-received game and drew in a lot of fans.. but just like DA:O pre-release it garnered its share of hate.

 

What really happened is this: KoTOR, ME1 and DAO drew a lot of fans to Bioware, and in greater proportion to its older titles like BG2. Those fans all became irate with different parts of Bioware's development re: its sequels. KoTOR fans to ME1 (but ME1 was similar enough you didn't have that many issues), and certainly ME1-ME3 and DA:O-DA2/DAI.
 

CDPR does two things well: not depart significantly from their formula, and praise their fanbase to no end. Well, that and mischievously play on the rhetoric gamers love to throw around with little integrity and a lot of hypocrisy. 

[The Elder King]

Actually I am more of a Bioware fan. I was not bullish on TW1 and TW2, but TW3 has caught my attention. However, Bioware caught my attention way back in 2003 with KOTOR and has had it ever since with the only game I really dislike being DAI. Even then I am excited to see where Bioware takes DA4 and lets not forget about ME4 being officially revealed next week. If I could only play WRPGs from one developer, it would be Bioware. However, I still recognize the great things that TW3 does well like open world gameplay and side quest, two things I hope would influence Bioware to do better with in DA4.
I am a Bioware fan, but that does not mean that I cannot see greatness in non-Bioware games.

I don't want to lower your optimism, but it's still Not sure NME will get a official reveal at E3.

[AlanC9]

CDPR does two things well: not depart significantly from their formula, and praise their fanbase to no end. Well, that and mischievously play on the rhetoric gamers love to throw around with little integrity and a lot of hypocrisy.

The thing that Bio really needs to learn from CDPR is the way they manipulate the fanbase. If Bio tried that free DLC ploy everybody'd be calling it a scam --"They're releasing parts of the game late and expecting you to thank them for it!", etc.

[Ariella]

I don't want to lower your optimism, but it's still Not sure NME will get a official reveal at E3.

Does Bioware have anything on the agenda that we know of? I know some are speculating kotor 3, though I have my doubts, and then there's new ip...

Should be interesting no matter what, and I do hope we find out if that leak from a month or two ago was right.

[FKA_Servo]

I will take that to the lame Skyrim camera angle we have now

And DA:O had auto-dialogue? Interesting..

 

It was well done there and in DA2 same with ME (ME3 had too much auto dialogue though), why Bioware felt they had to go all Skyrim on us is beyond me

 

DAO did not, obviously. But the ME series has it in spades. (And for that matter, I'm currently powering through TW1 at the moment... that game has it all over the place as well). Ironically, DAI actually does a great job with emoting, so it wouldn't have been nearly as ugly as it was in the past games.

 

I honestly have no real preference. I've been playing Bioware games since BG, and I like either approach, though I think that less cutscenes are better than more cutscenes.

[In Exile]

The thing that Bio really needs to learn from CDPR is the way they manipulate the fanbase. If Bio tried that free DLC ploy everybody'd be calling it a scam --"They're releasing parts of the game late and expecting you to thank them for it!", etc.

 

Bioware's issue is that they're a North American company that can't just do its PR in the way CDPR does, because going to far with the rhetoric or representations poses a lot of problems for EA. That said, a bit more belligerence and fawning over gaming culture would help a lot. And new faces. 

[FKA_Servo]

DA:I a return to form? What?
ME3 and DA2 get way too much hate anyway, as far as I'm concerned both were rushed but still a lot better than DA:I which was a step back in every way possibly

 

And the cinematic approach as always been in Bioware games (at least since I have been playing them), have you played DA:O or ME1?
If anything DA:I is a drastic departure with its lame open world design and crazy amount of fetch quests

 

I have played DAO and ME1. Conversely, you're coming across as as someone who started with DAO and ME1. Which explains quite a bit.

 

I loved DA2. ME1 is one of my favorite games of all time, but I disliked the direction the story went in ME2 and ME3 so intensely that it basically ruined the entire franchise for me, even as the gameplay and moment to moment story were great. But I like each Dragon Age game more than I like any of the ME games.

 

(Well, maybe not ME1. I hold that game in very high regard. If only it had kept it up.)

[The Elder King]

Does Bioware have anything on the agenda that we know of? I know some are speculating kotor 3, though I have my doubts, and then there's new ip...
Should be interesting no matter what, and I do hope we find out if that leak from a month or two ago was right.

I don't think there's something confirmed.
The most likely game is NME, in my opinion, but We won't know until Monday.

[Ariella]

I don't think there's something confirmed.
The most likely game is NME, in my opinion, but We won't know until Monday.

It looks like it'll be interesting no matter what. If NME is revealed and slotted for release for Q 4 this year, going to have to do some adjustment to the budget.

[FKA_Servo]

I don't think there's something confirmed.
The most likely game is NME, in my opinion, but We won't know until Monday.

 

It looks like it'll be interesting no matter what. If NME is revealed and slotted for release for Q 4 this year, going to have to do some adjustment to the budget.

 

Ever since it was revealed that EA snapped up Amy Hennig last year, I've been building an elaborate fantasy world containing a new KoTOR game with her as head writer. If she joined Bioware, I think I'd die.

[Cheviot]

If she joined Bioware, I think I'd die.

It's not out of the question.  The new lead writer on Mass Effect was in the job for a long time before he was officially announced as part of the team, wasn't he? 

[FKA_Servo]

It's not out of the question.  The new lead writer on Mass Effect was in the job for a long time before he was officially announced as part of the team, wasn't he? 

 

It would be so great. I don't even know who's lead writer on ME now, though. I guess I assumed it was Mac Walters still? I haven't been paying attention to ME since DAI came out, really. Some announcements next week would pull me right back in, though.