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Will Spellbinders be a school of magic for mages for future DA games?


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myahele

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As Solas says, that blood magic is a tool like all other magic. He'd use it if it didn't hamper his connection to the fade. In other words, you'll eventually need more and more blood, theoretically.

 

One can argue that Spellbinding is a more "moral" way to boost one's magic than blood magic. Up until DAI, many didn't think spirits, demons and wisps were individuals with will of their own. That they were these things in the fade that boost magic if properly manipulated.



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It would be an interesting way to introduce a primarily "buff" specialization.  That aspect is stressed in DA:I.


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Here's how I vision a spell binder specialty...

 

It would be a pet focused support dps class relying on AI driven summons.

 

It would have 4 primary summons each of which focused on demons and benign spirits, them being:

 

1)Spirit of faith- A healer summon that would have its' own aura of healing along with minor AoE heals and the ability to cast ranged auto attacks but be fragile with little HP points.

 

2)Spirit of Valor- A buff summon that would reduce damage to allies in its' vicinity and cast melee ranged spells with large hit points but low damage would also cast a weak barrier on everything around it. 

 

1)Sloth demon- A demon that deals high melee damage with medium hit points and debuffs everything with an aura

 

2)Fear demon- A demons that deals high ranged AoE damage and medium melee damage with low hit points but casts its' own barrier that has a lot of hit points.

 

All of them deal spirit damage and the passives would revolve around empowering the demons and benefiting the caster when they have the demon/spirit out. 

 

This is all just out of my imaginative head though...and chances are that this would make spellbinders "op".


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#29
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I mean even an Elven God and Morrigan called blood magic weak.....

 

I actually recall Solas stating quite the opposite.



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I actually recall Solas stating quite the opposite.


It labeled it powerful when not a passion or a crutch.

But if his other assertion is taken as truth...it overall weakens a mage.

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But if his other assertion is taken as truth...it overall weakens a mage.

 

That's not really an implication from this assertion (that using blood magic makes it harder to enter the Fade).



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That's not really an implication from this assertion (that using blood magic makes it harder to enter the Fade).


He stated it weakened the connection to the Fade.

Aka their source of mana.

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He stated it weakened the connection to the Fade.

Aka their source of mana.

 

No, he said it makes it harder to enter the Fade.



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No, he said it makes it harder to enter the Fade.

Pretty sure he said connection to the Fade, as blood magic can help you enter the Fade as well. Even if they didn't, entering the Fade is kind of reliant on your connection to it. 



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Pretty sure he said connection to the Fade, as blood magic can help you enter the Fade as well. Even if they didn't, entering the Fade is kind of reliant on your connection to it. 

 

Check the tapes.

 

"Unfortunately, using Blood Magic seems to make it more difficult to enter the Fade. [...] A shame, as it is extremely powerful."



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No, he said it makes it harder to enter the Fade.


Because it weakens the user's connection to it.

It's the only discernable outcome of that train of thought.

Magic is of mana which is of the Fade; blood magic isn't, it's based around life and pain.

It makes sense that it ultimately would neuter a mage in actual magic.
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Because it weakens the user's connection to it.

It's the only discernable outcome of that train of thought.

 

No, it isn't.


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No, it isn't.


Argue for the sake of argument if you wish.

But so far we have witnessed blood magic erode will, why mana not be applicable?

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Argue for the sake of argument if you wish.

 

I'm not.

 

 

But so far we have witnessed blood magic erode will, why mana not be applicable?

 

Why not bananas?



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Check the tapes.

 

"Unfortunately, using Blood Magic seems to make it more difficult to enter the Fade. [...] A shame, as it is extremely powerful."

So, going on to ignore the rest of what I said and wave off what Warder said, what's your explanation then? Because the Fade just doesn't like blood mages?



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So, going on to ignore the rest of what I said and wave off what Warder said, what's your explanation then? Because the Fade just doesn't like blood mages?

 

Why would I have to explain ****? Someone made a claim that Solas finds blood magic weak, which is false. Someone else made a claim that Solas states blood magic weakens a person's connection to the fade, which is also false. You can theorycraft why it makes entering the Fade more difficult, but don't try to fabricate some connection between his statement and an idea his dialogue never asserted.


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You don't. But I did ask. Generally when someone asks a question, and you actually take the time to respond, you're supposed to answer it, you read?



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Blood magic weakens connection with the fade which is why:

1) Ancient magisters used tons of blood to enter fade physically.

2) Blood mages summon demons from the fade.

3) Jowan sends people into the fade with blood magic. 

4) Avernus and Zathrian cannot use magic after being a blood mages for such a long time.. oh wait. 

 

Makes perfect sense. 


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You don't. But I did ask. Generally when someone asks a question, and you actually take the time to respond, you're supposed to answer it, you read?

 

I'll update when I have my degree in Thedasian Arcane Metaphysics.

 

It could perhaps make it difficult to function within the Fade, due to the greater attraction of malevolent spirits, as WoT states that blood magic makes one more vulnerable to demons. It also tends to damage the veil to a greater extent than regular magic. Both of these attributes would be puzzling if it actually nullified one's connection to the Fade.

 

The idea that the deal-breaker for Solas is that "it makes it harder to enter the Fade" rather than "it stunts one's connection to the Fade and their ability to weave conventional magic" is also nonsensical. That would be like stating "I'd do meth more often, but it seems to make eating Jolly Ranchers more difficult" as opposed to "it rots your f***ing teeth".


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No, he said it makes it harder to enter the Fade.

That's very strange, given blood magic weakens the Veil.



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Solas is a Dreamer perhaps all he meant was that blood magic weakened his connection to the Fade, a normal mage might not even notice a big difference. 

 

Although a mage who exclusively uses blood magic for years might find their spells weaker if they try to switch to drawing across the Veil simply because the technique is different. 



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Was I the only one who saw the name Spellbinder and thought back to that mid-90's Australian fantasy television series?

Because dangit, I still want a power suit...

:lol: :P


You're not the only one.

;)
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1) Ancient magisters used tons of blood to enter fade physically.

We now know the ritual involved a artifact of unknown nature.

That Claw of Dumat; I honestly doubt it was just a altar.

Point being it goes beyond lyrium and blood sacrifice.

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Point being it goes beyond lyrium and blood sacrifice.


And my point is blood magic still helped in connecting to the fade.

Also dreamers, the people who are connected to the fade most used blood magic both in general and to amplify their dreamer abilities.
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I'd rather not have yet another lame school of magic. Better to return to the old ones, Force Magic anyone?