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[Fast Jimmy]

Exactly my view as well.

Lower conviction rates + lighter sentences for felony crimes and higher preferences for custody as alimony verdicts suggest women are not equal in the eyes of the law, but rather given advantage in a court room. Lower pay and lower executive positions held by women suggest women are not equal in the eyes of the business world, but rather given disadvantage in the workplace.

You can't fight for equality on one front and then be against men being treated more equally on another. They are disparate arguments... unless your argument is that women should receive special treatment.

[Fast Jimmy]

@Darth Su Lu Pi :- I like your new avatar.

As a man myself, I think it is good to see other men finally standing up for themselves. Most men are content to just let shite slide without fighting for it. I know a few men who have committed suicide. Some succeeded, some didn't and now are critically injured for the rest of their lives.

To those who are men and who are thinking of getting married, don't do it. You are effectively putting a Sword of Damocles over your head. Pre-nups can be and have been made irrelevant or tossed out of court or even torn up in court so it will not save you from getting your life completely ruined by the family court system. All pre-nups do is give the lawyers and the judiciary more money. I would not encourage men to cohabitate with women either since there are now common law marriages legislation popping up all over the world where you are considered "married" by the state which allows the woman you are cohabitating with the entitlement to take half of your stuff away.

As a man, if you want to have a romantic relationship with a woman, do it but be aware of the risks. Do not cohabitate with her, instead meet with her on dates or what have you. She has to have her own place and so do you. Do not have a romantic relationship with a woman who makes less then you since that can be leveraged against you in court to take half you stuff away because you will be viewed as the provider in the relationship. Have romantic relationships with women who make roughly equal amounts of money or more than you. Even then, be aware of the possibility of false accusations such as false domestic violence accusations or false rape accusations that a woman can start which can ruin your life so make sure the woman you want to romantically involved with is really, genuinely trustworthy.

As for children, either pursue adoption or legal surrogacy. It is common for women to use children as ransom in a divorce to extract more money from you, regardless if you are married or not (see common law marriage). So get a legal surrogate and even then, be sure to write up a proper contract so that the surrogate mother can't just take away the child from you later or can't use the surrogate child as a source of child support.

Or you could look at all this devolving of the relationships between the sexes, give it the finger, go your own way and live your life as a bachelor. Casual friendships, domesticated animals as pets, hobbies and having life goals are just as fulfilling, if not even more so than romantic relationships. If you want to satiate your sex drive, there is pornography and legalized prostitution or sex toys or the upcoming virtual reality pornography.

Cheers, and have a nice day.

This is the most depressing post I have ever read.


I am a happily married man for five years who makes more than my wife does (although that wasn't the case when we got married) and who has one child and another on the way. I am just as in love with my wife as I was on our wedding day and am just as commited to staying with her.

The problem is that people don't have the slightest idea what they want in a spouse or what kind of person they are compatible with. People who are manipulative, petty and prone to hysterics are visible a million miles away - avoid these people (men or women) and focus on those who have good traits, like kindness, generosity and a focus on their family. NOT just the hottest chick in the bar who lets you buy her a drink (luckily, I got the hottest chick in the bar who also had all the positive traits I just mentioned, but I lead a blessed life).

Saying all women are out to rob you and ruin your life is simply not true. There are countless women out in the world who want to live and love happy, normal lives. You just simply need to know how to look for them and then work your absolute hardest to keep them, every day.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

This is the most depressing post I have ever read.


I am a happily married man for five years who makes more than my wife does (although that wasn't the case when we got married) and who has one child and another on the way. I am just as in love with my wife as I was on our wedding day and am just as committed to staying with her.

The problem is that people don't have the slightest idea what they want in a spouse or what kind of person they are compatible with. People who are manipulative, petty and prone to hysterics are visible a million miles away - avoid these people (men or women) and focus on those who have good traits, like kindness, generosity and a focus on their family. NOT just the hottest chick in the bar who lets you buy her a drink (luckily, I got the hottest chick in the bar who also had all the positive traits I just mentioned, but I lead a blessed life).

Saying all women are out to rob you and ruin your life is simply not true. There are countless women out in the world who want to live and love happy, normal lives. You just simply need to know how to look for them and then work your absolute hardest to keep them, every day.

 

I am simply being objective and cautious, Fast Jimmy. I was not feeling anything in particular nor was I projecting anything onto anyone when I wrote the post up. 

 

It is good that you have a happy married life with children. Congratulations, you did well in that regard. But no offense, you argument simply boils down to feelings. 

 

However, reality is reality, no matter how you feel about it. Reality tells us that marriage has more than 50% chance of divorce. Reality tells us that women initiate about 70% of those said divorces and many of them do it for petty reasons such as "Dissatisfaction". Reality tells us that the family court favors women and will ruin a man's finances and emotions. Reality tells us that a man is four times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce. Reality also tells us of the kinds of unfavorable laws they have on conventional marriage and on common law marriage. Reality also tells us about men being victims of domestic violence and rape and how there are no support systems for them. Reality tells us that women have been known to false accuse men of crimes and to use children as ransom. Reality tells us that divorce is a 50 billion dollar industry. 

 

I wrote those things by looking at society on a macro scale, not by looking at anomalies and special cases like yours and uplifting them. I wrote the steps that men need to perhaps take to ensure their safety and security by looking at a macro scale, not by relying on anomalies or special cases. 

 

I mean, I could have used my parents, who have been married for 25 years now, have 3 children and are in a happy loving relationship and say that men need to look around and find "The One". However, I have the common sense and logical capability to know that my parents are anomalies and are not the norm. 

 

In fact, I would say your advice to find the right one is rather dangerous. Dangerous because it gives men a false sense of hope. It encourages them to do what I call "unicorn hunting" rather than take the world as it is. Unicorns are rare and hunting unicorns is difficult. 

 

It is better to be realistic about the world on a macro scale rather than relying on anomalies and living our lives based on them. Sure, there are good women but based on the data that we have, there are sufficient amounts of bad women who make things extremely risky for men in general. I was just giving realistic advice or to put it bluntly, keeping it real. 

 

In my opinion, it is far better for men to be realistic, to know the facts and then proceed accordingly with women as opposed to relying on one-off occurrences or anomalies or special cases. To me, it is far better to be grounded about these things. If you managed to find a woman while being realistic, congratulations, she is a keeper. You were cautious and she did not disappoint you. 

 

Which is why I stated the things I stated. I prefer to keep it real and I know that the world does not revolve around anomalies. 

 

As for being depressed, that is your problem, not mine. It is a politer way of saying "I am offended because feelings". Being depressed by facts on a macro scale is something you have to come to terms with yourself, not expect other people to censor themselves for you.

 

Cheers. 

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

No but i can be anti BS and false statistics like the Mary Kost report.

i can view men as Human beings and not Bloodthirsty rape machines who think with there shlongs.

i can treat women as accountable for our own actions.

i can just wish we could just get allong.

[Althix]

i am sorry, what country you from Tishen?

[leighzard]

I'm confused.  Is this thread about more protection for men against domestic violence? (reasonable, in fact laudable - it's seriously underreported) Is it about marriage being an unnatural state for humans? (not necessarily an invalid argument)  Or is it about how women are the downfall of society and are greedy succubi using people under the guise of having a committed relationship? (which is completely absurd and shame on you).

 

And I can't for the life of me figure out why in order to further the cause of protection for male victims of domestic violence tearing down women is an appropriate or even slightly beneficial strategy.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

it was about the Domestic violence and Male suicide rates. but topics tend to drift.

[leighzard]

Reality tells us that marriage has more than 50% chance of divorce.

 

First marriages, or marriages in general?  Because having been divorced once increases your likelihood of getting divorced again.

Besides, the divorce rate is declining.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I'm confused.  Is this thread about more protection for men against domestic violence? (reasonable, in fact laudable - it's seriously underreported) Is it about marriage being an unnatural state for humans? (not necessarily an invalid argument)  Or is it about how women are the downfall of society and are greedy succubi using people under the guise of having a committed relationship? (which is completely absurd and shame on you).

 

And I can't for the life of me figure out why in order to further the cause of protection for male victims of domestic violence tearing down women is an appropriate or even slightly beneficial strategy.

 

No one is tearing down women. All I stated was that men need to be aware of the risks of marriage or romantic relationship or cohabitation with women. 

 

If someone instructs another on the risks of driving on the road or using the road as a cyclist or a pedestrian, would you say that this person is now tearing down on road users ? Or would you say he is just keeping it real and being cautious ? 

 

 

First marriages, or marriages in general?  Because having been divorced once increases your likelihood of getting divorced again.

Besides, the divorce rate is declining.

 

Because people are not getting married in huge numbers so divorce rates are falling. Rising costs of living, men not wanting to put up with the risks are some of the reasons for it. 

 

 

I am sorry, what country you from Tishen?

 

My country of origin is irrelevant. Truly, I care about it as much as I care about my race or my ethnicity. Which is to say I place no value in such things. 

 

My country of origins was not responsible for my opinions. Data that have been published or released did that. 

[Sion1138]

it was about the Domestic violence and Male suicide rates. but topics tend to drift.

 

Suicide rates of married / divorced men or just in general?

[Fast Jimmy]

I am simply being objective and cautious, Fast Jimmy. I was not feeling anything in particular nor was I projecting anything onto anyone when I wrote the post up.

It is good that you have a happy married life with children. Congratulations, you did well in that regard. But no offense, you argument simply boils down to feelings.

However, reality is reality, no matter how you feel about it. Reality tells us that marriage has more than 50% chance of divorce. Reality tells us that women initiate about 70% of those said divorces and many of them do it for petty reasons such as "Dissatisfaction". Reality tells us that the family court favors women and will ruin a man's finances and emotions. Reality tells us that a man is four times more likely to commit suicide after a divorce. Reality also tells us of the kinds of unfavorable laws they have on conventional marriage and on common law marriage. Reality also tells us about men being victims of domestic violence and rape and how there are no support systems for them. Reality tells us that women have been known to false accuse men of crimes and to use children as ransom. Reality tells us that divorce is a 50 billion dollar industry.

I wrote those things by looking at society on a macro scale, not by looking at anomalies and special cases like yours and uplifting them. I wrote the steps that men need to perhaps take to ensure their safety and security by looking at a macro scale, not by relying on anomalies or special cases.

I mean, I could have used my parents, who have been married for 25 years now, have 3 children and are in a happy loving relationship and say that men need to look around and find "The One". However, I have the common sense and logical capability to know that my parents are anomalies and are not the norm.

In fact, I would say your advice to find the right one is rather dangerous. Dangerous because it gives men a false sense of hope. It encourages them to do what I call "unicorn hunting" rather than take the world as it is. Unicorns are rare and hunting unicorns is difficult.

It is better to be realistic about the world on a macro scale rather than relying on anomalies and living our lives based on them. Sure, there are good women but based on the data that we have, there are sufficient amounts of bad women who make things extremely risky for men in general. I was just giving realistic advice or to put it bluntly, keeping it real.

In my opinion, it is far better for men to be realistic, to know the facts and then proceed accordingly with women as opposed to relying on one-off occurrences or anomalies or special cases. To me, it is far better to be grounded about these things. If you managed to find a woman while being realistic, congratulations, she is a keeper. You were cautious and she did not disappoint you.

Which is why I stated the things I stated. I prefer to keep it real and I know that the world does not revolve around anomalies.

As for being depressed, that is your problem, not mine. It is a politer way of saying "I am offended because feelings". Being depressed by facts on a macro scale is something you have to come to terms with yourself, not expect other people to censor themselves for you.

Cheers.

I'm not giving a false sense of hope, I'm just saying you can succeed if you plan.

Over 50% of small businesses fail within your first year. Yet no one would every say "no one should ever start their own business because they are risky and could possibly bankrupt you" because the rewards are well worth the risk. And, in addition, having a good plan makes for the best business. Knowing who you targets are, planning on what you need to succeed, making sure you properly invest to make sure you succeed right from the beginning - these tenets can apply just as much to opening a pizza shop as being in a successful relationship.

Saying "that girl is hot and will actually talk to me, let's date!" is a terrible way to start a relationship, just like saying "I love to eat pizza, let's open a pizza shop!" Figuring out what you want, how you want to do it and the best way to go about it are how you avoid the tragic loss that accompanies a failed business or a failed relationship. The man going into either one with the right mindset and knowledge can be incredibly happy and successful.

[Fast Jimmy]

No but i can be anti BS and false statistics like the Mary Kost report.
i can view men as Human beings and not Bloodthirsty rape machines who think with there shlongs.
i can treat women as accountable for our own actions.
i can just wish we could just get allong.

I'm not sure that's possible.

You and I might be able to get along, though. That's about all I can promise, but that's not a bad deal, is it?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

But who will make my sanditches?

[Fast Jimmy]

But who will make my sanditches?

http://time.com/3819...moley-robotics/

EDIT: I say this jokingly, but I am curious to see what happens with relationships if the age-old sci-fi myth of robots that do cooking, cleaning and... other "romantic" aspects of relationships, shall we say... start becoming reality, as we are starting to see he very beginnings of.

[leighzard]

 

No one is tearing down women. All I stated was that men need to be aware of the risks of marriage or romantic relationship or cohabitation with women. 

 

If someone instructs another on the risks of driving on the road or using the road as a cyclist or a pedestrian, would you say that this person is now tearing down on road users ? Or would you say he is just keeping it real and being cautious ? 

That wasn't directed at you.  There is another post in this thread that makes blanket statements about bad qualities all women possess.

And I happen to disagree with some of the tweets linked in the original post, for which no one here is responsible.

 

 

 

Because people are not getting married in huge numbers so divorce rates are falling. Rising costs of living, men not wanting to put up with the risks are some of the reasons for it. 

So are increasing rates of secondary education, higher employment rates for women, and later first marriages.  Rising cost of living is a reason often cited for the decline in divorce rates because people can't a) afford the divorce itself and/or  b ) support themselves/family on a single income.  Unfortunately we're looking at correlational data, which does not prove causation.  The statistics don't really tell you why, though.  And I've seen no data at all on men not wanting to put up with the risks, it's certainly an angle worth considering, but it's speculative.

 

 

Suicide rates of married / divorced men or just in general?

I wonder if there's a difference.

 

 

http://time.com/3819...moley-robotics/

I want one!!!

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Suicide rates of married / divorced men or just in general?

In general. its arround 80%

women are slightly more likely to try it men are more likely to carry threw with it.

[Fast Jimmy]

In general. its arround 80%
women are slightly more likely to try it men are more likely to carry threw with it.

Men are more likely to choose a more violent (but also more effective) manner, such as hanging or a gunshot to the head. While women are more likely to choose a more peaceful (but less effective) manner, such as taking pills or slitting the wrists. Speaking in large generalities only, of course.

[leighzard]

In general. its arround 80%

women are slightly more likely to try it men are more likely to carry threw with it.

80%??!!!  Shenanigans.  The suicide rate for men in closer to 20% isn't it?  Maybe 10-15% for women?

Men choose more effective methods for sure (guns, tall buildings) than women (pills, carbon monoxide).

 

Edit: Found a chart

Women are only at about 5%.  I was way off.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Yeah and both are terrible and need addressing

http://time.com/3819...moley-robotics/

EDIT: I say this jokingly, but I am curious to see what happens with relationships if the age-old sci-fi myth of robots that do cooking, cleaning and... other "romantic" aspects of relationships, shall we say... start becoming reality, as we are starting to see he very beginnings of.

I duno but thats why we have sex robots.

[Sion1138]

80%??!!!  Shenanigans.  The suicide rate for men in closer to 20% isn't it?  Maybe 10-15% for women?

Men choose more effective methods for sure (guns, tall buildings) than women (pills, carbon monoxide).

 

Edit: Found a chart

Women are only at about 5%.  I was way off.

 

Perhaps she meant to say that 80% percent of all suicides are committed by males.

 

I found a statistic that says the ratio is anywhere from 3:1 to 10:1, male to female.

 

Anyway, the point is, I'm not surprised.

 

Men are more susceptible to certain aberrations of the mind.

[leighzard]

Oh.  That makes waaaay more sense.

Did you see the lightbulb turn on above my head?

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Iduno there are a lot if statistics and my Dyscalcula makes understanding them dificult to be honest.

but regardless the numbers are high and with either gender people need help.

[Decepticon Leader Sully]

Perhaps she meant to say that 80% percent of all suicides are committed by males.

 

I found a statistic that says the ratio is anywhere from 3:1 to 10:1, male to female.

 

Anyway, the point is, I'm not surprised.

Yeah... soz in not the most elquent of people.

[X Equestris]

I'm not giving a false sense of hope, I'm just saying you can succeed if you plan.
Over 50% of small businesses fail within your first year. Yet no one would every say "no one should ever start their own business because they are risky and could possibly bankrupt you" because the rewards are well worth the risk. And, in addition, having a good plan makes for the best business. Knowing who you targets are, planning on what you need to succeed, making sure you properly invest to make sure you succeed right from the beginning - these tenets can apply just as much to opening a pizza shop as being in a successful relationship.
Saying "that girl is hot and will actually talk to me, let's date!" is a terrible way to start a relationship, just like saying "I love to eat pizza, let's open a pizza shop!" Figuring out what you want, how you want to do it and the best way to go about it are how you avoid the tragic loss that accompanies a failed business or a failed relationship. The man going into either one with the right mindset and knowledge can be incredibly happy and successful.

Yeah, I think that's definitely part of the problem. People jump into marriage without any thought, and then when things get rough, the whole relationship often collapses like a house of cards.

[Fast Jimmy]

Yeah, I think that's definitely part of the problem. People jump into marriage without any thought, and then when things get rough, the whole relationship often collapses like a house of cards.