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[capn233]

I put hunting in the title just in case people think farming is a dirty word (at least it was in ME), but in reality that is what I am asking about.  Perilous since I have 0 unique dragon weapons so far.

 

Especially for a team with limited promotes, but decent gear, what team composition is best?  Do people mainly hunt the frost dragon?

 

I played a couple random games the other day using the archer and MoD, and that did ok damage (22k - 29k).

 

Zither seems helpful from a squad durability standpoint, and has decent party buffs.

 

Alternatively, is it more efficient to get a composition that nukes mobs relatively quickly to get through the first 4 zones faster?

[Apl_Juice]

Zither or Keeper, Reaver, Archer, and pretty much anything else. Avvar or Katari, perhaps.

Zither tapes himself to Reaver's leg, Reaver uses Dragon Rage, and Archer uses Mark of Death and Leaping Shot. Dead dragon, gg everyone.

[Silversmurf]

We run to the end.  Kill everything from there.  Sometimes less enemies spawn.......or it just appears that way because we've popped them and are killing so fast.

 

Setup was Virtuoso, Duelist, Reaver, Avvar    

 

Archer is nice for Dragon but it still went down pretty quick with above setup and zones were fast too.

[Akkos]

I'm guessing Perilous runs...

 

You need Zither, Keeper/Elementalist at least... Unless you have high prestige/promoted characters and stats.

 

Reaver in team is a most, because of dragon rage + Heal on kill.  Archer(with Opportunity Knocks + Mark of Death) only when there is no Keeper because Archer has a unique way to attract enemies threat that might get the Keeper killed.

 

For the rest any damage dealer works very well ...  Duelist, Avvar, Necromancer, Arcane Warrior and Hunter(Longbow of the griffon aka shotgun style+passive).

 

If your team has good gears then you can work with any character actually.

 

Also befriending mates with "high prestige" helps too. I hope you understand what that means. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

Best composition for Dragon Hunting.

 

 

 

 

Oh, sure, I could have read the OP, and not just the title, but if I'd done that, I would have ruined for myself the chance to link "Night on Bald Mountain."

[SpaceV3gan]

Any Ranged class, including the Duelist. When using Mages, make sure the staff used is Fire (when fighting frost Dragon) or Ice (fire Dragon). Take Elemental Resistance Potion as well as Mighty Offense, and Lyrium Potion when playing Mages.

My Absolute favorite Dragon hunters are the Virtuoso and Izzy. The Virtuoso can do crazy damage with the passive Killer Set and playing the song Hot Licks in between auto attacks. I can hit 5k Hot Licks and 3k auto attacks (vs frost dragon). Izzy can use Bolt as an auto attack when you get the passive Salty Sea Dog, and I hit from 2.6k to 3.5k per bolt. Do not trebuchet, ranged attack > trebuchet.

My teams have been killing Dragons in under a minute, and overall 11 minutes or so runs.
 

[yarpenthemad21]

Any Ranged class, including the Duelist. When using Mages, make sure the staff used is Fire (when fighting frost Dragon) or Ice (fire Dragon). Take Elemental Resistance Potion as well as Mighty Offense, and Lyrium Potion when playing Mages.

My Absolute favorite Dragon hunters are the Virtuoso and Izzy. The Virtuoso can do crazy damage with the passive Killer Set and playing the song Hot Licks in between auto attacks. I can hit 5k Hot Licks and 3k auto attacks (vs frost dragon). Izzy can use Bolt as an auto attack when you get the passive Salty Sea Dog, and I hit from 2.6k to 3.5k per bolt. Do not trebuchet, ranged attack > trebuchet.

My teams have been killing Dragons in under a minute, and overall 11 minutes or so runs.

Wut?
How much stats you have. How it's possible to get 2,6 or 3,5k damage on 200% ability bolt. It's either bullshit or cheat.
Even with virtual bonus (5 stacks for 100%), impossible to get for bolt you can't get that high.
The same with hot licks 400% damage. It's like immolate. You want to tell me that you deal 5k damage with immolate on frost dragon? Bullshit.

[Kalas Magnus]

Wut?
How much stats you have. How it's possible to get 2,6 or 3,5k damage on 200% ability bolt. It's either bullshit or cheat.
Even with virtual bonus (5 stacks for 100%), impossible to get for bolt you can't get that high.
The same with hot licks 400% damage. It's like immolate. You want to tell me that you deal 5k damage with immolate on frost dragon? Bullshit.

225 willpower. or something like that

[akots1]

IMO, Virtuoso for buffs/barrier + another virtuoso or elementalist with barrier and two dps'ers (reaver, archer, Avvar, Isabella, Katari). No chain lightning is better as CL severely complicates survival. During the weekend, I first had two wipes as a bard in a pug with AW/keeper and then two flawless games with 2 bards plus archer and katari and then, plus reaver and Avvar. I'd say it were easy mode, almost felt like cheating. I don't think anybody in the pug had lot of promotions as the scores were pretty even in the end. but all were at least lvl 14 and up. As soon as AW or keeper does their CL, everyone else is dead due to uncontrolled aggro especially from archers. Barrier does not help much in the castle, you have to play conservatively and take cover as needed.

[capn233]

Don't know specific numbers, but I figured the elemental vulnerabilities were multipliers.  With 30 willpower I think I was doing 1100 or something like that to the Frost Dragon with Hot Licks.

 

As far as CL goes, the one random game I played last week with a Keeper I had Dispel, Static Cage, Barrier and Frost Step.  Dispel was somewhat entertaining.  As an AW, CL is pretty useful on this map IMHO... I don't see why CL cast by an AW would aggro archers to other characters necessarily.  And if you are pulling around corners seems like you could nuke with another mage, or Templar or whoever.

[akots1]

225 willpower. or something like that

Yes, SpaceV3gan is kind of .... overpromoted, so not applicable to general casual or even not so casual ppl.

[Kalas Magnus]

Any Ranged class, including the Duelist. When using Mages, make sure the staff used is Fire (when fighting frost Dragon) or Ice (fire Dragon). Take Elemental Resistance Potion as well as Mighty Offense, and Lyrium Potion when playing Mages.

My Absolute favorite Dragon hunters are the Virtuoso and Izzy. The Virtuoso can do crazy damage with the passive Killer Set and playing the song Hot Licks in between auto attacks. I can hit 5k Hot Licks and 3k auto attacks (vs frost dragon). Izzy can use Bolt as an auto attack when you get the passive Salty Sea Dog, and I hit from 2.6k to 3.5k per bolt. Do not trebuchet, ranged attack > trebuchet.

My teams have been killing Dragons in under a minute, and overall 11 minutes or so runs.
 

yes. 

 

people need to stop using the trebuchets. it is ez damage against the dragon. archers just decimate it.

[Spectr61]

Wut?How much stats you have. How it's possible to get 2,6 or 3,5k damage on 200% ability bolt. It's either bullshit or cheat.Even with virtual bonus (5 stacks for 100%), impossible to get for bolt you can't get that high.The same with hot licks 400% damage. It's like immolate. You want to tell me that you deal 5k damage with immolate on frost dragon? Bullshit.

Wut?How much stats you have. How it's possible to get 2,6 or 3,5k damage on 200% ability bolt. It's either bullshit or cheat.Even with virtual bonus (5 stacks for 100%), impossible to get for bolt you can't get that high.The same with hot licks 400% damage. It's like immolate. You want to tell me that you deal 5k damage with immolate on frost dragon? Bullshit.

Troll. Don't satisfy him with a reply Space.

[yarpenthemad21]

225 willpower. or something like that

not enough, still bullshit.
I have 50 willpower, 175% willpower is around +attack 87%, If you do the math is not even 50% flat damage increase. I now my damage. This bullshit is 3 TIMES higher and I have best weapons in slot. You need more like 600 willpower for it.

@ Spectr61

You know where I have your opinion?

Bullshit is bullshit. You can't get damage x 3 by having even 200 more promotions. Learn math first and get back after.

[Nintendali]

From the bug thread:

 

 

On the Virtuoso, the passive "Killer Set" give 35% bonus damage for each unique song played, applied to the next single auto-attack. 

 

Against the dragon, this bonus will last as long as you keep hitting the dragon without breaks...so I drop the ice dragon in 15 or so seconds. 3200 or so a pop.

 

IDK about Bolt, though.

[yarpenthemad21]

From the bug thread:
 
 
IDK about Bolt, though.

He told about Hot lick, not auto attack

[capn233]

Since the thread is halfway derailed already, what is the damage formula for magic?

[Kresa]

Killing the dragon in 15sec?  under a minute? honestly i killed him with alot of pugs and nothing was even close to those times... usually 4 lands , rarely 3 lands.
Maybe with a premade overgeared group... but i yet to encounter such things.
Sadly the chances for success without a shielding bard were very low for me with Pugs. When going with a keeper instead of a bard you need really good team work...
I did some runs without a bard with 2 shielders, Ele+keeper etc... Without shielders at all dont recall ever making it.
Honestly when giving advices you need to think how well it will work for less geared Pug group then you... I dont think i ever managed to kill the dragon with the bard going dps because people just start dieing and then he dies if not before.
I can allready see someone reading this thread and trying to do the things suggested in it and causing a wipe for a Pug group.

[Nintendali]

He told about Hot lick, not auto attack

 

He did say he's getting 3k auto-attacks. I'm assuming Killer Set is applying to the next attack, rather that just the auto like it was supposed to.

[LearnedHand]

Space has no reason to lie, lol. He has always been upfront. I've also heard about the craziness hot licks can achieve. Immolate can do very high damage to a fire vulnerable creature especially with chaotic focus. 5k is not unusual.

[yarpenthemad21]

He did say he's getting 3k auto-attacks. I'm assuming Killer Set is applying to the next attack, rather that just the auto like it was supposed to.

No it applies to next auto attack. Either way
His bolt damage is around 3 to 4 mine bolt damage.
not 40% more, 400% more.
Go and calculate how much more willpower you need. Crit damage we both has the same, cause promotions has nothing with it.

Drasca has stats doubled as mine. I've seen his videos, seen damage numbers. It's maybe 30% more. 30%, not 300%.

[Nintendali]

No, I agree with you. That kind of damage is impossible with out promotion stats higher than anyone has achieved so far. I don't think he's lying, though. I assume that there are passive abilities that were incorrectly programmed that are causing that kind of damage.

[Geth Supremacy]

No, I agree with you. That kind of damage is impossible with out promotion stats higher than anyone has achieved so far. I don't think he's lying, though. I assume that there are passive abilities that were incorrectly programmed that are causing that kind of damage.

 

I'm fairly confident I could do that.  And that's before a mighty offensive potion.

[Nintendali]

 I dare you to try. Right now.

[Geth Supremacy]

 I dare you to try. Right now.

 

Sorry, I just can't do it.  I would kill some Collectours with you.