Gear means nothing when you get bishotted, man.
You know what my answer's going to be, right? Don't get hit.
With Zither's speed boost, and ability to cast on the move, he is very unlikely to be hit by much of anything. Just don't bother with basic attacks unless it is safe. He can both kite and strafe/dodge arrows all the time if he doesn't basic attack.
Also, is the mana regen from Combat Clarity whonky off host? I had a couple times where it seemed like I wasn't getting extra mana regen despite the fact that there were a bunch of dragonlings near by.
I hear CC doesn't work vs the main dragon herself. That's what lyrium potion is for though.
Best composition is a band of 4 Virtuoso! Pun intended!
Auto-attack at all times, move together as a tight group, get in the enemies face and everything melts like ice cream in the desert.
Or almost never auto attack, swap out both BoB and CB for occasional Speed buffs, and all four just spam power chord (cool beats is too slow) while everything dies. You gain barrier for every nearby ally per song cast.
Run around, kill everything in sight. Finish Z5 via Hot Licks as usual.
Hard to beat that...
Beat it 
Fewer chords to deal with, simplified tactics, easier to execute, more damage, more speed. Who needs barrier?
Best composition is a band of 4 Virtuoso! Pun intended!
First 4 waves:
1 keeps up Barrier
1 keeps up Battle of the Band and Cool Beats
2 use Power Cords
Auto-attack at all times, move together as a tight group, get in the enemies face and everything melts like ice cream in the desert.
At the Dragon fight:
1 keeps up Barrier and use Power Cords when the dragonlings are near the group
3 cast Hot Lick like crazy when the Dragon is perched on the building
The Dragon dies as soon as it lands the second time.
Hard to beat that...
Indeed. Have seen this in action w/Third and 3 Virtuosi. Incredibly good. Can only imagine Third with a party of 4 Vir's who know how to play.
Incredibly bad however, is posting info that the Troll(s) want.
Think they will ever apologize for calling someone a cheater for being able to get such numbers out of Vir auto-attacks or Izzy's bolts?
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Wut?
How much stats you have. How it's possible to get 2,6 or 3,5k damage on 200% ability bolt. It's either bullshit or cheat.
Even with virtual bonus (5 stacks for 100%), impossible to get for bolt you can't get that high.
The same with hot licks 400% damage. It's like immolate. You want to tell me that you deal 5k damage with immolate on frost dragon? Bullshit.
Not the prettiest quality screenshot, but there it is. My stats are 127/233/110. I use 2x 20% Critical Damage rings.
Mighty Offense potions makes a lot of difference. One friend of mine who has much less stats said he can hit 3.7k Bolts (on mobs, not sure about Dragons).
My Virtuoso does 5k Hot Licks, casting it in between auto attacks after having drunk a Might Offense potion as well as a Lyrium one. Try it for yourself and you will see your damage going crazy high, too. Maybe not as high as mine due to promotions and equipment, but I am sure you will be surprised. Neither bullshit nor cheat.
I think the CDB is affecting hot licks the most, as you only have 600 more damage than I do normally (I do 5k on crit as well) I'm going to switch to a dexterity amulet and see what I do.
You know what my answer's going to be, right? Don't get hit.
With Zither's speed boost, and ability to cast on the move, he is very unlikely to be hit by much of anything. Just don't bother with basic attacks unless it is safe. He can both kite and strafe/dodge arrows all the time if he doesn't basic attack.
I dont use mages.
Almost warriors only. And not get hit, is quite impossible with them.
And I won't change my mind: for low promoted parties, Zither full barrier is the best choice. Maybe slower, but safer.
And I won't change my mind: for low promoted parties, Zither full barrier is the best choice. Maybe slower, but safer.
Of course you won't, and I don't expect you to. However, you're still wrong, because time is a resource and speed matters. The faster you clear, receive loot and promote, the easier the game gets.
Yeah. It seems like the game doesn't count attacks against the dragon as "hits" for a lot of abilities, particularly passives.I hear CC doesn't work vs the main dragon herself. That's what lyrium potion is for though.
Stand behind the dragon (or next to a piece of cover if you want to stay at range and protect yourself from the wing pull), move if it lifts its feet, use cc or blocks against the dragonlings. It's not a matter of promotions, it's a matter of knowledge and skill. Barrier is a crutch in the dragon fight, but it is far better to walk on crutches than crawl on your hands and knees.Almost warriors only. And not get hit, is quite impossible with them.
And I won't change my mind: for low promoted parties, Zither full barrier is the best choice. Maybe slower, but safer.
Barrier is a crutch in the dragon fight, but it's far better to walk on crutches than crawl on your hands and knees.
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Mighty Offense potions makes a lot of difference. One friend of mine who has much less stats said he can hit 3.7k Bolts (on mobs, not sure about Dragons).
Why waste MO on trash mobs? I am in serious doubt about the 3.7k bolts, as I regularly get 1.5-1.8k bolts. At the very least, it is not being completely truthful about how the bolts are used, or how often the 3.7k bolts happen. It isn't consistent. It doesn't get higher without doing silly things like 5x dagger hits with saavy. I'd have to parry 5x, as that's the only spammable dagger skill, in order to get 3.7k bolts-- or buffed damage from other people such as from to the death.
Sorry about that.Fix your quote block.
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Sorry about that.
Thanks. Deleted it from my post. Feel free to edit yours.
Of course you won't, and I don't expect you to. However, you're still wrong, because time is a resource and speed matters. The faster you clear, receive loot and promote, the easier the game gets.
Unless you are a grinder, no, it does not. 5-10 minutes more for each game, for the average player, is not a problem.
In any case, I cant stand more than five-seven games per day, so... speed doesnt matter at all to me.
doesnt matter at all to me.
Who says the game is only about you? Obviously it matters to me, and it matters to everyone that I want to play with. Also the OP, because
just in case people think farming is a dirty word
is it more [time] efficient to get a composition that nukes mobs relatively quickly to get through the first 4 zones faster?
He farms, thus time matters.
I think we can wrap up the discussion of easier vs faster for the time being. I don't care if someone wants to post a group or strategy in here that is either. 
I was in fact asking about compositions and strategies that would speed up the game a bit though, even for groups that don't have a lot of promotes. I had a particular group of my friends in mind asking about this in fact, but people posting strategies for pugs in here is fine too I suppose.
As far as Zither goes, barrier is a useful thing to cast, but when I play I try to make sure buffs like Battle of the Bands are up, partly to increase party damage, and partly to increase Zither's mana regen from auto attacks. Most of the time I get in trouble with him is if I get overzealous running around trying to nuke things away from the group, since I don't have quite the damage vs ranged defense vs the mana regen from just nearby enemies. Nuking mobs in Static Cage or PotA is almost always a better idea in my experience than just casting barrier.
Who says the game is only about you? Obviously it matters to me, and it matters to everyone that I want to play with. Also the OP, because
He farms, thus time matters.
Indeed, what you seem not be able to understand, is that everything I said, was my personal point of view.
Of corse you all are free to farm all the time you want, you can take any risk you want and such.
is that everything I said, was my personal point of view
Is irrelevant to the OP, and irrelevant to everyone else. You've claimed your pov was everyone's pov. It is not the case.
Most of the time I get in trouble with him is if I get overzealous running around trying to nuke things away from the group,
Solution: Nuke with the group! This may require some coordination though. Chokepoints make this easier.
since I don't have quite the damage vs ranged defense
vs the mana regen from just nearby enemies
Learn to strafe / dodge arrows, learn to run around without auto-attacking but with his speed buff (makes dodging soooo much easier
Nuke a few times, and run the heck away. You don't have to finish them immediately.
Yes... I figured that out before I made that post.
Well, not everyone is able to survive Perillious without barrier. So yeah, for "low promoted chars" that's the best way.
Even with few promotions, with a full barrier bard, you can easily clean FC in Perillious.
My stats are 23/17/17, I do not have the best gear by a long shot, and only just recently started playing with HoK. Somehow, up till now I've not had a lot of problem surviving in Perilous unless I had a really under leveled character without so much as a hint of Barrier. I am not some super-elite player with hundreds of promotions like (no offense, guys) Drasca or SpaceV3gan. I just play smart.
Yeah, I may not get top score when playing with guys that have tons of promotions, but I don't really care about that.
Furthermore, Zither! is honestly not good as a Barrier class. You are really missing out on a ton of awesome fun with various builds he has by focusing on literally the first song he gets. He also is not as good as on par with a solid Elementalist or Keeper build when it comes to Barrier.
Again, it's a complete waste.
Furthermore, Zither! is honestly not good as a Barrier class. You are really missing out on a ton of awesome fun with various builds he has by focusing on literally the first song he gets. He also is not as good as a solid Elementalist or Keeper build when it comes to Barrier.
Again, it's a complete waste.
Extreme waste, though often Zither's better at barrier than Keeper / Ele, especially at level one with barrier on demand, and the ability to move (and not need to aim) barrier, and not be punished as much for missing.
Zither's just amazing in general with no cooldowns, and is even better when played outside the barrier box.
I've not had a lot of problem surviving in Perilous
I just play smart.
This is what jealous people are blinded against. Gear/promotes don't save you from idiocy, nor enable you to succeed to begin with. They just improve what's already there.
Extreme waste, though often Zither's better at barrier than Keeper / Ele, especially at level one with barrier on demand, and the ability to move (and not need to aim) barrier, and not be punished as much for missing.
Zither's just amazing in general with no cooldowns, and is even better when played outside the barrier box.
Yeah, reconsidering that statement. I'd say he's on par with Elementalist or Keeper that have good Barrier builds.
Honest, though... Focusing on Barrier ignores like 98% of the awesome stuff Zither can do!
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