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[Silvair]

I mean its just with the distinctly insectoid body structure and dextro fluids, plus grunt mentioning they are as tough as turians, it seems more like they were originally supposed to be a more chitinous species like Turians, especially when you also bring up Geth silhouette

But for the sake of talimancing, suddenly its "oh no they are just like humans under there" which just....clashes with every other established fact about them, at least to me.

Anyone else find this odd? Like I said, they just always seemed to have more in common with turians than humans, and not just the extra fluid issue. From the silhouette to body structure to being mentioned as having a tough carapace, etc.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

And they carried the seeds of their world on their bodies. -- Tali said this in ME3.

 

Yeah, they're interesting.

 

But remember.... like another forumite said: Lore in the mass effect universe is some kind of zany free for all.

[Cknarf]

I'd still hit it. Yeeeeeeeeee

[Laughing_Man]

Yes, the Quarian thing was rather laughable. Especially the "reveal" of Tali's face.

(you know that it really sucks when alternative fanart of her is better by a long shot, and alien enough to be believable)

[Vazgen]

Here is concept art for Tali.

Spoiler

Source: Blog of Matt Rhodes

[Vazgen]

I like it...

 

but it kind of freaks me out too. Reminds me of this.

 

That's why I think Bioware should've never shown quarian faces (and not make them romanceable in the first place).

[illsteward]

Whoah. I love the concept art of Quarians. It is much closer to how I did imagine them underneath the suits. Even though I am not sure about the hair. I think after 300 years of having no use for protection, hair and eyebrows are likely to evolve away, or at least go to recess... Also, it is really freaky how they are portraited within sihlouettes and eyes in ME and ME2, given then in ME3 we are sudenly forced to believe that they are basically human with some features within the Uncanny valley... Also, it is really funny how Tali'Zorah vas Normandy is a freakin' engineer-hacker-comwiz extraordinaire admiral with tons of recoinassance and stealth action experience (to be honest, 99% of ME missions are guerilla actions and stealth mix rather than pure Rambo), while in fact she CAN'T EVEN SET UP A CAMERA. Like... What?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

This would have been fine with me.

 

[Vazgen]

I prefer the first. The others creep me out I'm interested, why is it that people don't care about how volus look under their suits? I once saw a fan art rendition and it was somewhat disturbing.
http://th05.devianta...r_s-d4ovmtk.png

[Silvair]

I like the first two.

The others.. yeah them having hair after 300 years in the suit makes no sense, if they ever had it at all.

[Phalanx]

I like the first two.

The others.. yeah them having hair after 300 years in the suit makes no sense, if they ever had it at all.

 

Uhm, yes it does.

Evolution doesn't work like that; such a dramatic change would not happen so fast. Seriously, 300 years is only like 15 generations. People back then were practically indistinguishable from people today. There would be no evolutionary pressure acting against having hair and unless they would loose it all because of friction against the suit they would still have the same amount as before they started wearing them.

 

The idea behind the suits doesn't actually make all that sense.

 

I do like the first design most, the less human they look the better.
Someone did a nice job of fleshing out the basic concept:

[vargr1105]

is it just me or were quarians meant to be NOTHING like humans?

 

It is just you (and whoever agrees with you, I guess). If it wasn't for the presence of the shoe-horned mindfart that are Asari I'd say the Quarians were the alien species originally designed to be most like humans. Alas, 15 year old boys need their titillation, so...

 

 

I mean its just with the distinctly insectoid body structure

 

They have nowhere near a "distinctly insectoid body structure" and I can't possibly see how someone with a pair of functioning, healty eyes can ever say such by looking at them. And mind you, I'm saying this as a person afflicted with very high levels of visual myopia who's worn spectacles 24/7 since the age of 7. I cannot cross a road safely without my glasses, that's how bad my eyesight is and I'm still slack-jawked amazed at the word "insectoid" being used as a qualifier for Quarian morphology.

 

Hmmm...maybe it is a problem of thought process, or scientific ignorance rather than a visual limitation; but I ain't touching those.

 

Either way, no. The Quarians are not morphologically insectoid in any manner. They are cleary and visibly bisymmetric erect humanoids with digitrigade legs and three fingers per limb. Their stance is not even that different from real-life double leg aumputee athletes who run using those lightweight steel prostetics.

 

I'd bet they (and the Turians) all things being equal can jump higher from a standing position and sprint faster than an equivalent human; i'd also bet they can't throw a good kick to save their lives compared to a human.

 

 

dextro fluids

 

You mean Dextro amino-acids? Because I don't remember anything about "fluids", that is a state of matter, amino-acids are organic chemical compounds that can be found in different states of matter.

 

Anyway, those are no more exotic than a different baseline body Ph or the fact Terran house cats aren't affected by LSD and HUmans can, or a rabbit's ability to digest celulose while we lack it. It is also no indication whatsoever they are space bugs under those suits.

 

Not that I have a problem with space bugs, or the quarians being lizards or whatever. I'm just not followign the logic here and what is presented as evidence for the train of thought. Especially when dextro amino-acids are present on Earth and we eat them without dropping over dead on the spot, unlike what ME science fail about it seems to suggest. So if Quarians are dextr-based and that is something that exists naturally on Terra, how can can this possibiliy be put foward as evidence that they should not be human-like?

 

 

But for the sake of talimancing, suddenly its "oh no they are just like humans under there" which just....clashes with every other established fact about them, at least to me.

 

First, as someone who romanced Tali on my first playthrough and was caught unaware that romacing an alien was even an option when I picked the game up, I must say I chose to be slightly offended at that comment. It is not the fault of players who got enamoured by Tali's personality, character and her "I don't need to show my t*ts" femininity that BioWare decided to take a ****** upon the franchise and use a (badly) photoshoped stock picture of Miss Britain or whatever to turn our mystery lover into a bad joke and make her look like a freak.

 

Second, even before Tali was a romancable option in ME1 through her helmet we could already see a very humanoid-like (and definitively non-insectoid) head with proportions and eyes and nose similar, if not equal, to humans. So that derrails your conspiracy theory that you didn't get space bug Quarrians (what? the Rachni and Tresher Naws weren't enough for you?) because Tail had to be romancable.

 

As I said before, the Quarians are the most human-like race out there apart from the (ugh!) obligatory Asari "sex sells!" mindfart catering to juveline hormones and ME1 shows us they were that from the beginning. If the original concept on paper back at the design studio envision them as chitinous space bugs I can find zero evidence even hitning at it in the 3 games and multiple dozens of hours I put into them. If you have such evidence please show it to us, I would like to see it. That concept might even a better one than what we got, who knows? Well, no one unless such evidence is presented, right?

 

 

plus grunt mentioning they are as tough as turians

 

I don't accept opinions of the youngest, least experienced, most immature and most ignorant companion NPC in the entire setting as an argument for anything about ME.

I don't trust information via implants from a megomaniacal Krogan scientist either.

In fact, I don't trust Krogan at all.

 

And what does "though" mean? We beat the Turians at their own game in the First Contact War, does that makes humans "even-more-though"? If its refering to military prowess than the Turians being good at it is due to superior tech, training, tradition, experience and a militaristic culture. I see no indication in the game that the average individual Turian is a badass or innately a mighty individual warrior, unlike the Krogan or Yagh who are powerhouses out of sheer racial bulk and strenght.

 

And how does a race that has been exterminated in the billions by their own toasters and who can die if you sneeze on them merit such a qualifier to begin with? Was Grunt high or something?  I'd understand if he meant they are still around even with all the crap that they've endured but "though" is hardly the word I'd use, "preserverant" or "survivors" maybe. By the Quarians own admission in ME3 they are very crappy ground trops. Yeah, grunt is full of it.

 

 

it seems more like they were originally supposed to be a more chitinous species like Turians

 

How so? Turians are chitinous because their skins have evolved to hold minerals and be carapace-like to protect against high solar radiation due to a weak planetary magnetic field. Quarians come from a world with an older, weaker sun than Sol. If the the Quarian home system star is practically the best direct opposite in the entire setting of the evolutionary imperative that gave Turians their chitinous look, how can this ever be used as evidence that Quarians were "originally supposed" to be more chitinous?

 

Again, "originally supposed" presumes access to evidence from the designing team or knowledge about such evidence. Could you point us out to it? And again, It may well be the Quarians were originally envisioned by the developers of ME as humanoid bugs, but there is no trace or indication of such in the finalized setting as it was presented to us.

 

 

especially when you also bring up Geth silhouette

 

I see nothing chitinous or inset-like about the morphology of the Geth, except in Colossus which looks nothing like a Quarian. Speaking of alternate Geth designs the ME1 Leapers sure do look mamallian, even simian, in design to me.

 

Regardless, using Geth to back up yuour claim is the equivalent of an alien race saying Humans must be box-like humanoids with clamps for hands when they see our 1950's era robots.

 

 

which just....clashes with every other established fact about them, at least to me.

 

Its just you, really. You have not mentioned a single "established fact" about them, only your misinterpretations of what the games show and unsupported suppositions.

 

 

Anyone else find this odd?

 

Yes, I find it odd a fellow ME player managed to ignore most of what the game tells us about the Quarians, takes his/her unfounded suppositions for facts and asks a silly question, while casting blanket asperisions at people who like Quarians as they are enough to roleplay their Shepard having an emotional and sexual relationship with one.

 

Quite odd.

 

Like I said, they just always seemed to have more in common with turians than humans, and not just the extra fluid issue. From the silhouette to body structure to being mentioned as having a tough carapace, etc.

 

I'm going to concede here and confess I am not Codex or WIki reader. I look at my ME trough what it showed me, not through what someone else wrote about it. That said I don't remember hearing anything about "fluids", "carapaces" or "extra fluid" in any sentence relating to Quarians. The *only* similarity between the two races that keeps being brought up is their dextro amino-acids.

 

The 3 fingers per limb and being digitigrade don't even count because most other non-Asari, non-totally-alien races are like that. The Salarians aren't Dextros but they still have 3 fingers and digitrigade legs, the Vorcha are also digitigrade. The reason? Designer laziness and saving time/money/effort with animators. there is no special meaning to any of it...sadly.

 

Heck, even the amonia-breathing (amonia-gasping?) Volus have 3 digits. Does this mean we can use it a evidence pointing that Quarians were "originally designed" to be a non-oxygen breathing race?

 

 

All this said...

 

Do I think the Quarians look anything piece of crap photoshoped human picture that Tali gives you? Heck No!

 

In my head, Tali didn't even had hair. I wonder how that glorious mane on the photoshopped pic managed to fit under her helmet? Or how we never saw strands of it through the visor?

 

I'd also bet the quarians are...pale, probably albino-like, whether they be mammalian, reptilian, bug-like or whatever else. A lifetime in suits without natural sunlight doesn't exactly promote a nice tan.

 

 

EDIT:

 

This is what I guess for responding to the OP without checking the rest of the thread. I missed the posted art.

 

About the "character concept" pic, the first one; assuming it is a legit document issuing from thr design team it settles the question that the Quarians are very much human-like, and were envisioned as such from early design stages, meaning the matter is settled. No space bug or reptilian Quarians. It also means my assertion that the Quarians are the most human-like aliens in ME (apart from Asari, which are just there for fanservice and Mary Sue purposes so they don't count).

 

That pic actually looks very similar to what I evsisioned Tali to look like under her helmet when I was playing the game. No hair, albino-like, very human but with an "uncanny valley" disturbing vibe about her. I think the face onm that is to chubby and round from what we can see through the helmet and the eyes are likewise excessively angled. I don't know why they are black and turian-like when they are shown to glow trough the helmet. She also looks younger than I expected, a bit too child-like.

 

Apart from that, it is a very good design. While it does look disturbingly alien, it is still the face of a sentient creature my Paragorn Shepard would love and set out to build a future and family with. 

 

Too bad the games couldn't give us romanceable Human females that could hold a candle to the characterization and pathos of Tali, or didn't look like sluts.

[Laughing_Man]

The scathing vitriol against Asari coupled with the loving extremely opinionated dissection of everything Quarian amuse me greatly.

I bet you even know what their sweat is supposed to taste like.

 

I get it. Some people feel betrayed by the fact that the Liara romance got more attention than the Tali one, but talk about bias...

[Quarian Master Race]

The scathing vitriol against Asari coupled with the loving extremely opinionated dissection of everything Quarian amuse me greatly.
I bet you even know what their sweat is supposed to taste like.
 
I get it. Some people feel betrayed by the fact that the Liara romance got more attention than the Tali one, but talk about bias...

Actually I've a similar (though more neutral) opinion of the asari. They were designed from the ground up as ME's version of Orion dancing girls. Their role in the story is completely built upon blatant male fanservice. It has nothing to do with any individual charaters. Liara if anything is among the best as she tries to subvert the idiotic and unnecessary trope. Every other species (except perhaps maybe drell) has a point in the universe other than eye candy, they really don't.

That's not to say I agree with blatant Tali worship, but she and her entire species weren't designed for fapbait, they had a role in the narrative that hinged on their design.

[vargr1105]

The scathing vitriol against Asari coupled with the loving extremely opinionated dissection of everything Quarian amuse me greatly.

 

I am glad my writting amuses you and brigthens your day.

 

But to be honest I wasn't going for scathing vitriol, that is just your interepretation, I go for sarcastic humor. Relax dude, take a deep breath and don't take things so seriously.

 

I didn't dessicate anything, I'm not even a doctor. It is called "analysis". Opinionated? Er..this is a public forum, right? Were people come to express their, you know, opinions? You surely don't seem to have problems being opinionated yourself, even when most of your opinions I've seen since dropping by boil down to "I do not agree with you" with a explanatory content that is near zero. Great, you disagree! Do you mind voicing your alternate opinion in a manner supported by facts whiel telling me your rationale?  Because your veiled Ad Hominem antics are getting kind of boring.

 

It does seem you have a serious issue with people you do not agree with and don't bother to read and interpret what they write, or judge it on its own merits. It seems like for you its "different opinion" = "bad/wrong/evil" automatically. I may be wrong, but that's how you come off. I have yet to see a single productive or contributive post response from you that addresses the matter at hand, you just voice your opinion on the opinion of others. Thank you very much, but I don't give a hoot about what you think about what another thinks. I'd be curious to know what you think on issue(s) the OP is about, though.

 

Last but least, about the "anything Quarian" jibe, learn to read and check the thread title. This is a thread about Quarian morphology and we're discussing...Quarians. Gee OMG! Who would've thunk it, he?

 

 

I bet you even know what their sweat is supposed to taste like.

 

Man, are you high or something? How old are you? 12 or so? Because I can excuse lines like the one above if that is the case. Otherwise I might just, for the first time ever on a forum I'm a member of, get in touch with a moderator. Because your little "bet" above is skirting into "sick f*ck" territory and I didn't join this site to deal with the likes of that.

 

Thread lightly...and think before your write, and again before you post.

 

 

I get it. Some people feel betrayed by the fact that the Liara romance got more attention than the Tali one, but talk about bias...

 

What are you talking about? What makes you think I know anything about the Liara romance? What exactly is all this seemingly fanboy tantrum stuff? "Betrayed"?

 

I am not a "fan" or a "gamer", I just played the game and didn't massively replayed it to see different outcomes. I know little outside my own personal narrative experience with it. I am not privvy to whatever petty little fanboy wars are/have flammed about which favorite character each group preaches at the altar of. Not interested.

 

My greatest interest in ME was its original Hard SF angle, rare as hen's teeth on video gaming. My interest in the aliens is measured through how belivable they are, and how they fit my system of values not "kewelness" or whatever romance is "best". Wtf does that even mean? Why would I or anyone roleplay a romance with an NPC, alien or human, I do not find interesting? I didn't even know the game had romances when I picked up ME1.

 

It seems like you were deeply psychologically scarred by Quarian/Tali "fans" in the past or something and now just lash out against anyone who appreciates either and/or has nothing but stellar opinions of Asari? What do Quarians and Asari even have to do with each other? Did you people form armies of opinion about alien races and crapped on each other relentlessly? Where's all this attitude comming from. Was the asari/quarian conflict of words partircularly burning?

 

I am completely unknowing of whatever bad blood you guys spilled in whatever fame wars, and I don't care. And I take exception at your seemingly attitude of "Oh, he likes X in Mass Effect which means he must also like Y and detest Z, just like those other guys over there he doesn't even know anything about and for exactly for the same reasons."

 

What is this? Psychoanalysis via the internet based on which aliens and character you like or dislike? Because that you come off, honestly.

 

Has it crossed your mind that my uninterest in Asari and my exasperation at how much of I have to deal with one of my least favorite species of ME in the franschise games has *nothing* to do with whatever "romance" geek wars you've been having? Did you noticed I have not even tiped the word "Liara" since I joined (well now I did). So where does your Tali vs. Liara bulls*it accusation coems from exactly?

 

See those things on your hands? They are called "fingers", and they can be used on a keyboard to write questions of others, not just meaningless snark because you assume crap about them in your own head.

 

So just what is your problem or issues exactly? Really, please either help me understand or then do not bother me personally unless you have something worthwhile to say about the subject of debate in a thread I'm participating, or want some clarification abotu something I wrote. And no, unrequested and unreleated queries after you lob aspersions at me so you may fish for data to valiate your own preconcieved bias about someone you don't know are not admissible.

 

And btw, if you don't like my vein of humor or sarcasm-laden writting style...don't read it. Simple. When you see "vargr1105" on the header just skip. That's what I'm thinking of doing when "Tzeentchian Apostrophe", unless your next interactions prove to be participative and useful rather than simple pasive-aggressive nagging.
 

And we're done here.

[vargr1105]

Actually I've a similar opinion of the asari. They were designed from the ground up as ME's version of Orion dancing girls.

 

(Damn dude. I just noticed your name tag...its no wonder some people are at each others throats about alien species here. Oh well...)

 

I always assumed Asari were inspired/ripped off from Star Control's Syreen myself, with the biotics added (taking the place of jedi powers since this is a BioWare franchise). The Syreen at least had a viable scientific reason for being presented as an all-female race.

 

 

Their role in the story is completely built upon blatant male fanservice.

 

Well that's pretty much a self evident fact ain't it? I'd like to see a BioWare representative claim otherwise with a straight face . Alas, some of us males don't play SF RPGs to be "serviced", we are drawn to the SF, not the ******. Add to this that something like 90% of female representation within video RPGs is already blatant male service (FRPG plate armor with beewbs, anyone?) and it starts getting really old, really fast and depending on individual tolerance what is anoying may start getting repellent.

 

Edit: darn censorship! So sometimes asterisking one letter doesn't cut it?

 

 

It has nothing to do with any individual charaters. Liara if anything is among the best as she tries to subvert their idiotic and unnecessary trope.

 

Thinking back of that, I don't remember interacting with Liara thinking of her as an Asari (unlike, say Samara or Aria). She just seemed like a human Mary Sue-ish girl-next-door that happened to be bluish and have a weird hairdo. I certainly never envisioned her pople dancing and remember wondering just where all the other enlightened asari scientists where hiding. What I didn't enjoy was having the NPC forced so much on the narrative, or that some of the dialogue seems to assume Shepard holds her in higher regard than anyone else. It's not "I don't like Liara" its "hey Mr. Author this narrative of yours is edging my PC into a direction I gave you no inkling whatsoever of heading towards via my choices in playing him, this is not making much sense and is hurting my suspension fo disbelief and illusion of player control over the narrative." And it happens in all three games. She still ended up being my third most often used companion in ME3 though, and I ran through Lair of the Shadow Broker with Samara to complete the trio. Man, I really rabbidly hate Asari, don't I?

 

 

Every other species (except perhaps maybe drell) has a point in the universe other than eye candy, they really don't.

 

I wouldn't say "point" because the point of the Volus and Hanar became "comedic relief" and that ended up butchering/wasting some very good Hard SF concepts, but I see what you mean, many races in Mass Effect SF fit traditional Hard SF niches quite well, and some better than others or with originality never seen in video games. There's the science race, the brutes, the honorable soldier species, the uplifted species that worked and the one that didn't, etc. "Eye candy race" though doesn't really sound nice, but it does fit.

 

Another issue is, most other species (not all) make sense and are believable alien species, with at most one magical plebonthium trait.

But the Asari shatter my suspension of disbilief (even moreso in a SF setting that attempts to be on the Hard part of the scale) because they have a whole list of magical applied plebonthium. Then add to that a chosen ones syndrome and some our aliens are better. YMMV but the final product is something that asks too much of my suspension of disbelief and contrasts too much with the other species and the vibe of the setting to be really enjoyable Then give them more screentime than anyone else and act surprised when folks drop here and start being jokey and sarcastist about it.   They would be a great species to have in Star Wars or in Comics, or in a 1950's-inspired Pulp version of Mass Effect (oh, that would be an instant classic), but in a setting which is 1980's/90's inspired Space Opera with dashes of cyberpunk and transhumanism? Meh...

 

 

That's not to say I agree with blatant Tali worship

 

I'd say I don't agree with blatant worship of any one character of whatever franchise. That sounds like fixation dementia. "Worship" has religious overtones.

 

And I'd still like to know exactly were this Tali vs. Liara / Quarians vs. Asari thing that keeps getting mentioned comes from. You could remove either from the game entirely and wouldn't affect the other in the least. It's like it is supposed to be a truism that by liking one you must automatically detest the other?

 

 

but she and her entire species weren't designed for fapbait, they had a role in the narrative that hinged on their design.

 

I have been out of the video game loop for too long. I didn't even know "fapbait" was a word.

 

But hey, if anything is designed and marketed as such I have no issues with it. Not interested, but if others want it for their fun...well, have fun with it.

 

The Asari certainly aren't marketed as fapbait consumption material, but within the framework of ME, darn it if it doesn't seem like they're trying their damnest to pretend they are. Why, oh why couldn't BioWare give us a humanoid monogendered parthenogenetic species that doesn't look blatantly human and lacks morphological gender traits? This s*it has been around since the 1970's. Silverberg, Ursula Guin, etc. For Christ's sake game designers you had half your work done for you in advance already, it wouldn't be that hard to pull off, would it? Or what about a neuter race that goes into short alternating male/female cycles at specific times for reproduction purpouses? Or what about...ah screw it. Unlike BioWare I ain' paid to come up with good ideas. Most folks around here all seem to have better ideas for SF concepts and narratives than they did anyway, even accounting for hindsight.

 

But the blue skin? A whole race of comely, pulchritudinous, young-looking space females with blue skin? And as an afficionado of SF I am supposed to look at this seriously and not burst out laughing? Really? The designers were just asking for it! How much low-brow pulp SF cliché can you dump on a concept of a non-pulp SF game and expect otherwise?

 

Well, at least we didn't get short green men with quivering antenna descending on UFOs to steal our women. Then again, seeing the triology f*cked so much stuff up we might as well have had them, for the sake of the lulz. Come to think of it, it really ain't that sillier than Citadel DLC and its "Evil Shepard Clone" comedy feature.

[Laughing_Man]

@ Vargr1105

 

I usually don't care enough about the Quarians to read and write consecutive walls of text about them, but here is my opinion anyway.

 

All of ME races, or at least the humanoid ones, are very much under the trope of "humans in rubber suits".

There is very little truly Alien or indeed original about them. The Quarians are just another race on this list.

 

In my time reading and writing on the BSN I read quite a few walls of text not dissimilar to yours, filled with Quarian worship,

regarding almost any topic imaginable. They are the best mechanics, they are the sexiest creatures in the galaxy, they are the smartest, the most athletic,

the most deserving of sympathy, there is not even a question regarding their superiority and right to live when the choice is between them and the synthetic intelligence they created, etc.

 

There have been more or less similar threads about Tali specifically, including deep scientific analysis of the taste and smell of her various body fluids.

 

It all usually comes with a burning hatred for the Asari, because they are a race of "space bimbos" that exist solely to steal the love and affection that the Quarians are so deserving of as a race, and a special hate for Liara specifically because she seemed to receive more screen time and a more interesting arc during the ME trilogy.

 

Right.

 

Personally, I think that the fact that the Quarians almost caused a technological Armageddon by creating the Geth and then bungled the situation so thoroughly, is worthy of remembering, as is the fact that an unknown number, possibly rather high, of Quarians were killed by Quarian forces during the Geth uprising because of... disagreements.

 

And as I mentioned, I have a theory that the Quarian conclave has an agenda that demands that the Quarians should remain on their ships, living in harsh conditions, so that they all remain primed, ready, and always aimed at the ultimate goal - taking back Ranoch.

 

I don't think that any race in the ME universe is even close to perfect, and I think that your kind of reasoning for "why Quarians are the best" is extremely biased, unrealistic, and generally tainted with your desire to use whatever data is available to make them look better.

 

The burning hatred for the Asari seems just as irrational.

While they are far from perfect and very human-like, there is more to them than merely a race of "space bimbos", but I won't waste my breath or my keyboard.

 

By all means, don't let me disturb your biased crusade for the glory of the Quarian people.

[Undead Han]

I wouldn't say they were originally supposed to be nothing like the humans. Like the Asari, they were a fairly humanoid species from the start. But it is clear that were originally supposed to be much more alien than their eventual reveal.

 

Tali becoming a LI changed that. Or more specifically, one very popular piece of fanart popular with Talimancers changed that.

 

Unfortunate really, because while that fan artist is talented, it is a horrible concept. It basically just turned Tali into a human in an exosuit. There is very little at all that is alien in that concept.

 

[Reorte]

 

Tali becoming a LI changed that. Or more specifically, one very popular piece of fanart popular with Talimancers changed that.

Considering how popular the "reveal" was with Talimancers that's as good an example of any of not thinking things through.

[vargr1105]

Tali becoming a LI changed that. Or more specifically, one very popular piece of fanart popular with Talimancers changed that.

 

 

I have to share this one personal anecdote about that fanpic.

 

I saw it somewher in the web before I ever played or really even knew about Mass Effect, and thought I was looking at the fan depiction of a female Fremen from Dune, most likely the one Paul Atreides had the hots for, with a very alternate interpretation of what a stillsuit looked like.

[Quarian Master Race]

All of ME races, or at least the humanoid ones, are very much under the trope of "humans in rubber suits".

There is very little truly Alien or indeed original about them. The Quarians are just another race on this list.

Agreed for the most part, though I don't disparage the "human in rubber suit" trope because I understand the reason for its existence. The second statement is opinion, but objectively they are fairly original in an number of ways (the symbiotic physiology for example). Of course, there's hardly anything original in this trilogy anyway, as originality is mostly overrated at this point after around 10000 years of human civilization. Virtually everything has been thought of already, and execution is what really matters

 

In my time reading and writing on the BSN I read quite a few walls of text not dissimilar to yours, filled with Quarian worship,

regarding almost any topic imaginable. They are the best mechanics, they are the sexiest creatures in the galaxy, they are the smartest, the most athletic,

the most deserving of sympathy, there is not even a question regarding their superiority and right to live when the choice is between them and the synthetic intelligence they created, etc.

So (well informed, I might add:P) opinions offend you? The quarians are statistically among the least popular races in the setting, so I don't know why you'd single them out in particular for this being commonplace. There is an entire 10 page long thread right below this one that is circle jerking about how great the asari are. Are you pooh poohing on all of them for their opinions as well?

 

There have been more or less similar threads about Tali specifically, including deep scientific analysis of the taste and smell of her various body fluids.

And threads with tons of rule 34 Liara or Miranda in them. And threads about Garrus foot fetish. Weirdos exist, and I'm equally perplexed by the waifu attachment to these characters, but I don't see how that has anything to do with the species concept or presentation as a whole.
 

 

It all usually comes with a burning hatred for the Asari, because they are a race of "space bimbos" that exist solely to steal the love and affection that the Quarians are so deserving of as a race, and a special hate for Liara specifically because she seemed to receive more screen time and a more interesting arc during the ME trilogy.

Right.

Waifu wars. Yeah, it's hilariously stupid when that is actually the sole reasoning behind those opinions, but you act like it is one sided or that quarian/Tali fans (even though they aren't the same thing) are even somehow the worst offenders. I've an experiment for you, look in the "what is your favourite race thread" and count the number of people who list quarian first and asari or not at all. Now do the opposite. The result may be surprising, and I think you are projecting massively here. Liara hardly got more screentime outside of ME3, where Tali is acquired halfway through the game, for example.

 

Personally, I think that the fact that the Quarians almost caused a technological Armageddon by creating the Geth and then bungled the situation so thoroughly, is worthy of remembering, as is the fact that an unknown number, possibly rather high, of Quarians were killed by Quarian forces during the Geth uprising because of... disagreements.

absolutely. You can't get a proper understanding of what defines them if you choose to ignore the parts of their characterization, not that I see any evidence of anyone doing this apart from your anecdotal assertions. People bigging up their favourites is again, not exclusive to the quarians in this series, or even commonplace given the species relative unpopularity.
 

And as I mentioned, I have a theory that the Quarian conclave has an agenda that demands that the Quarians should remain on their ships, living in harsh conditions, so that they all remain primed, ready, and always aimed at the ultimate goal - taking back Ranoch.

Now you are getting into loony headcanon levels of silly conspiracy theory. If the Conclave (which is the democratic system within the quarian government, mind you), had such an agenda, why the hell do they continue to not just encourage but REQUIRE every member of the species to spend time in other societies via the Pilgrimage? What purpose could that possibly serve in making sure quarians remain in the Flotilla when individual living conditions on the Flotilla are objectively cramped and materially deprived compared to those societies which they will be living in? It's not like they can afford the manpower for a KGB to kidnap anyone who decides to try and stay in Council space due to it's obviously higher standard of living. Instead, the racist inhabitants of those socities do a pretty good job of making the quarians feel unwelcome by arresting them due to racial sterotypes, not hiring them due to their species, or selling them into slavery. It's hardly a wonder that most freely choose to go back home even though it is not at all required.

Other societies in our own history who have tried to do similar things as you are describing (USSR, China, Cuba, North Korea, Iran etc), have always done everything in their power to dissallow emigration and keep their citizens from being exposed to the outside world specifically because it would conflict with their propaganda and ability to ensure loyalty. Your logic here just doesn't make any sense. If they wanted the quarians to remain on their ships and brainwash them with propaganda, they would just do exactly that by disallowing outside contact.

[Jehuty]

No, you are clearly very obsessed about Quarians. It is self-evident and undeniable.

 

 

 

I will be going to take a page of your rulebook and stop reading what you write henceforth. Please do not bother me with your innane crap anymore.

 

 

 

I have stopped caring about your opinions as you obviously don't care about the opinions of others or respect them.

 

 

 

The only burning hatred I've experienced in the short time I've been here is yours.

 

Buy a mirror and take a good, hard look into it.

 

 

 

The only "biased crusader" who is glorifying (and demonizing) fictional species here is...you.  You also glorify/demonize people on account of their fictional alien race predilections.

 

Again, buy a mirror and take a good, long, hard look at it.

 

 

This exchange is now over. Please refrain yourself from addressing me in the future unless you have something to say about the issue of the thread we're in. If you do bother me again in the future as you have done so far with segways into the nerdrage and fanwar that is going in your mind, I will take it to the moderators.

Wouldn't the mods also kinda descend upon you as well? You're acting a tad bit hostile. Not taking sides though. 

 

I wouldn't say they were originally supposed to be nothing like the humans. Like the Asari, they were a fairly humanoid species from the start. But it is clear that were originally supposed to be much more alien than their eventual reveal.

 

Tali becoming a LI changed that. Or more specifically, one very popular piece of fanart popular with Talimancers changed that.

 

Unfortunate really, because while that fan artist is talented, it is a horrible concept. It basically just turned Tali into a human in an exosuit. There is very little at all that is alien in that concept.

I wish she was a tad bit more alien, she felt like she was too Human in that concept. But we knew her face's basic shape since you could see it in through that visor some.

 

That's why I think Bioware should've never shown quarian faces (and not make them romanceable in the first place).

They should have let their faces be a complete mystery. I don't agree with not making them a romance option however, since there is Garrus and others. 

[Jehuty]

Tzeentchian, Vargr. 

 

Chill and relax some. You both need to chill out. 

[Quarian Master Race]

@Quarian Master Race

 

My response was directed to Vargr, but let's just agree to disagree. I don't hate the Quarians, I don't really like them either, and I think that if they were not so fixated on their home-world, they could have made their lives easier. What is certain is that I wasted too much time on a topic that actually interests me very little.

Hmm... the dynamics of writing in an online forum. Truly fascinating.

I don't think we really disagree all that much apart from me thinking your suppositions and conclusions are unreasonable given the in universe facts, but I think that has more to do with me being an obvious fangirl of the species and all the lore around them and you not really having that much interest in them to dig up examples supporting your opinion, rather than any irrational dislike. They are indeed like most of the other races in the series, with their own hats, idiosyncrasies and flaws. They definitely aren't a race of Mary and Marty Sues, in fact I love their direct disposition, proudly indignant self reliant outsider attitudes and collective unwillingness to compromise on what they believe in.

In fairness to Vargr, I don't think he's being unreasonable, he just presented his opinions in a blunt fashion. You chose to comment on how you thought they were based on being a rabid Talimancing Liara hater with an interest in the smell of quarian sweat despite that not having anything to do with his post, so were you really expecting anything but to be attacked yourself? Why do you really care anyway? Even if you do think those are his motivations, waifu wars are stupid, and there's no reason to sink down and engage in discussion with anyone who is prone to that sort of thinking anyway. You seem reasonable enough to not be the type that seriously participates in nonsense like that, so why bring it up?