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[Akimb0]

Leliana's native language is Orlesian. She grew up there. Thusly she speaks Fereldan with an Orlesian accent. Her voice actor actually is French, but she sounds like she has a lisp and has a serious monotone problem with her script reading.

[Allattar1]

Chas, you need to travel more.



Accents are not inherited by blood. Accents are learnt from society around you.

IF Lelliana spent most of her time with her mother and hardly any other time with Orlesians then she would pick up her mothers accent.

BECAUSE Lelliana grew up around other Orlesians, the pronounciation and accents they have would be mimicked naturally. Whilst she learnt Fereldan she was also learning subconsciously from a young age how Orlesians sound. A child just picks that up.

[Schwinni]

Suron is right. One of my best friends came with his parents from Poland to Germany when he was a little boy. He speaks perfect German and although he speaks Polish also, his grandparents - living in Poland - hear that he speaks Polish with a German accent.

Leliana spent most of her life in Orlais, she grew up there. Everybody there speaks Orlais (French). Of course her mother taught her Fereldan (English), but you will always hear that her native language is Orlais.

Look at Arnold Schwarzenegger. He can live another decade in the states, but you will awlays hear the German/Austrian accent in his English.

[Chas1024]

Wournos wrote...

Why do people care if it's Ferelden or Orlesian? I don't. I love her accent and would be disappointed if someone decided to change it.

At a certain age it becomes much harder to learn a new language/adopt a new accent. I bet that even if I moved to a different part of Sweden I would probably never fully pick up the new accent no matter how hard I tried. I will be 31 on Friday. So if Leliana is 30, as someone claims but I disagree with (she doesn't look like 30), then theoretically it would be difficult for her to adapt.

Just my two Bits.

Some do and some don't. My niece tends to exibit the accent of the last person she talked too other people never lose there orriginal accent in spite of decades living among people with a differnt accent. However, my point is not about whatever accent she may have when speaking Orlesian but the accent she has when speaking Ferelden. Contary to what you would think from watching english movies the french do not all speak english with a french accent they speak french. You would therefore expect that in Orlais they speak Orlesian rather than heavily accented Ferelden.

[Suron]

I'm done..you're arguing for the sake of arguing...borderline trolling now..it's obvious.



I've given real world examples..and you still want to try and argue the "point"



whatever dude...carry on..I'm not bringing my intelligence down anymore..I'll have more luck getting my dog to sing...at least he's a smart dog.

[ReubenLiew]

My dad speaks fluent chinese, just like his father and family before him.

But when he travelled back to China, speaking Mandarin to them, the accent is wildly different. Society builds a childs language more than their parents.

[jsachun]

MishenNikara wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I JUST WONDER WHY SHE SOUNDS LIKE A POM SOMETIMES.

I wonder many things too, but typically not in pure caps.

Bad voice actor or time budget didn't allow for a Take 2. 

[SusanStoHelit]

I understand what you're trying to say, but you're simply wrong. It wouldn't matter if Leliana's mother had lived until she was an adult. Children here in Australia who live in NESB families (non-English speaking background) prove it. Their parents speak Arabic or Cantonese or Greek or Italian with the native accents of that country - their children frequently speak Arabic & Greek etc with an Australian accent. Not their parents' accent, but the accent of the country they live in - even when English is their second language.

Edit: Or at least they do after beginning preschool or school. After being exposed to the local culture, is my point.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 27 janvier 2010 - 11:47 .

[Akimb0]

jsachun wrote...

MishenNikara wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I JUST WONDER WHY SHE SOUNDS LIKE A POM SOMETIMES.

I wonder many things too, but typically not in pure caps.

Bad voice actor or time budget didn't allow for a Take 2. 

People don't seem to read posts. I've already stated that Leliana's voice actor is a FRENCH woman, who lives in London. She has a speech impedament (lisp) which makes her sound a little strange.

[Chas1024]

ReubenLiew wrote...

My dad speaks fluent chinese, just like his father and family before him.
But when he travelled back to China, speaking Mandarin to them, the accent is wildly different. Society builds a childs language more than their parents.

Ok, fare point perhaps Leliana's natural accent when speaking Ferelden has taken on Orlesian overtones. I still contend that given her acknowledged abilities she is capable of speaking Ferelden like a native but will concede that the Orlesion accent may be more natural for her.

[NRG-OptimaL]

Chas1024 wrote...

Why does Leliana speak Feralden with an Orlaision accent? The accent must be an affectation but what purpose does it serve?

i'd ask her if she wasn't a video game character

[jsachun]

Akimb0 wrote...

jsachun wrote...

MishenNikara wrote...

jsachun wrote...

I JUST WONDER WHY SHE SOUNDS LIKE A POM SOMETIMES.

I wonder many things too, but typically not in pure caps.

Bad voice actor or time budget didn't allow for a Take 2. 

People don't seem to read posts. I've already stated that Leliana's voice actor is a FRENCH woman, who lives in London. She has a speech impedament (lisp) which makes her sound a little strange.

Still No time for take 2 No

[Chas1024]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

I understand what you're trying to say, but you're simply wrong. It wouldn't matter if Leliana's mother had lived until she was an adult. Children here in Australia who live in NESB families (non-English speaking background) prove it. Their parents speak Arabic or Cantonese or Greek or Italian with the native accents of that country - their children frequently speak Arabic & Greek etc with an Australian accent. Not their parents' accent, but the accent of the country they live in - even when English is their second language.

Edit: Or at least they do after beginning preschool or school. After being exposed to the local culture, is my point.

Interesting, I wonder how that comes about. They will never have heard there parents language spoken with a foreign accent so there must be some sort of cross over with there english accent. I have never encountered a native english speaker who has acquired a foreign accent in english from living abroad and speaking another language but presumable it can happen.

[ReubenLiew]

And we don't know that they don't share the same language in any case.

[Chas1024]

ReubenLiew wrote...

And we don't know that they don't share the same language in any case.

Apparently we do know (from the novels not the game) and they don't share the same language.

[wwwwowwww]

Chas1024 wrote...

Suron wrote...
yes..anyone can fake an accent...however that doesn't mean their true accent when speaking normally is the same..

lol...dude..sorry..but..stop being stupid.  your entire argument is idiotic.....

My argument is that her true accent is native Ferelden learned from her mother. I don't see her as only learning Orlesion as a child and then lerning Feralden much later. The Orlesians would not have spoken Ferelden among themselves (the conquerors do not bother to learn the language of the conquered) so she would only have spoken Ferelden with native speakers.

I'm gonna try not to sound mean with this, but it may come off that way.

Your not very cultured are you? I mean you don't get out much let alone to other countries do you?

It doesn't matter where her mother is from, kids are going to pick up the accent of where they grow up because kids talk and interact more with other kids and learn to speak from them more than they do their parents. That's why once a kid gets to hanging around other kids they start speaking a lot more.

I got friends from New York whose children were born and raised in North Carolina, guess what accent they speak with? A North Carolina accent not a New York one like their parents.

Many immigrants in the US still speak English with a heavy accent, but their kids do not.

Seeing as she didn't come to Ferelden herself until she was way older the Orlesian is her accent.

Not to mention she does say she spent more time with Cecile(think that's the name) than her mother.

[Chas1024]

wwwwowwww wrote...

Chas1024 wrote...

Suron wrote...
yes..anyone can fake an accent...however that doesn't mean their true accent when speaking normally is the same..

lol...dude..sorry..but..stop being stupid.  your entire argument is idiotic.....

My argument is that her true accent is native Ferelden learned from her mother. I don't see her as only learning Orlesion as a child and then lerning Feralden much later. The Orlesians would not have spoken Ferelden among themselves (the conquerors do not bother to learn the language of the conquered) so she would only have spoken Ferelden with native speakers.

I'm gonna try not to sound mean with this, but it may come off that way.

Your not very cultured are you? I mean you don't get out much let alone to other countries do you?

It doesn't matter where her mother is from, kids are going to pick up the accent of where they grow up because kids talk and interact more with other kids and learn to speak from them more than they do their parents. That's why once a kid gets to hanging around other kids they start speaking a lot more.

I got friends from New York whose children were born and raised in North Carolina, guess what accent they speak with? A North Carolina accent not a New York one like their parents.

Many immigrants in the US still speak English with a heavy accent, but their kids do not.

Seeing as she didn't come to Ferelden herself until she was way older the Orlesian is her accent.

Not to mention she does say she spent more time with Cecile(think that's the name) than her mother.

I get the point you and others have made it is just a different one to mine. Of couse children of foreign parents living in an english speaking culture speak english with the local accent not that of their parents. But this would apply to Leliana when she spoke Orlesian. She would have had no reason to speak Ferelden with the Orlesions she lived among. What I didn't get was how speaking Orlesian with Orlesians would give her an accent when speaking Ferelden given she had learned Ferelden at an early age from a native. But I understand from other posts in this thread that this can happen.

[wwwwowwww]

It not only can happen it does happen all of the time.

[SusanStoHelit]

Chas1024 wrote...

Interesting, I wonder how that comes about. They will never have heard there parents language spoken with a foreign accent so there must be some sort of cross over with there english accent. I have never encountered a native english speaker who has acquired a foreign accent in english from living abroad and speaking another language but presumable it can happen.

Well, I have a nephew who's married to an American, and he's already starting to sound 'American' - granted that's still English.

As for the other, well, it's not my area. But I would suspect that it's partly behavioural - they copy Australian body language and gestures too and tend to use Australian-sized personal space. Not always, you understand so there must be variants, but in general. Some kids are mostly 'not Australian' in these respects, some are mostly 'Australian', and some seem to be 'fluent' and flip between the two modes fairly readily.

Part of it, though, I would guess to be due to the way the brain works; perception of phonemes (the building blocks of language), neural connections, and other factors.

On a related side note, I grew up surrounded by English speakers, in a native English-speaking family, but my accent was noticeably different from that of my immediate family. In fact, my father constantly ridiculed me for speaking 'with a plum in my mouth' from early childhood on. I didn't get my accent from my parents (who were very poor, working class, rural Australians). So who did I get it from? Not television - we didn't have it until much later. I did have English great-grandparents whom I spent some time with, but they spoke broad Yorkshire and Lancashire - not 'posh'.

It was probably just me. I was reading before I was 4, and I thought dictionaries were great fun and looked up how to pronounce words correctly, because it bugged me when people got them wrong - or used them incorrectly. Even as a small child.

So I suppose my answer is: people aren't simple. You can't just say x + y = z. There are many factors that need to be taken into account in anything to do with people - even pixelated ones, lol - from societal, to habitual, to biological, biochemical, and just plain personal. And many more besides.

[ejoslin]

I think a far better question is why everyone from Antiva in this game has a different accent.

[DPSSOC]

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Leliana's mother die when she was very, very young? Regardless you don't pick up an accent from the people who teach you the language you pick up an accent from the people you speak with most. Case in point I'm related to Newfoundlanders with a heavy accent, their children were raised in Ontario so they speak with Ontarian(right word?) inflections and accents.



Leliana grew up in Orlais, hence while she may have learned Fereldan (let's assume they're different languages) she would have used Orlesian more often and as such developed that accent.



Now you're probably right that she could hide her accent if she chose but why would she? She was certain she'd left her past in Orlais and that it would not pursue her so she had no need to try and blend in.

[jsachun]

ejoslin wrote...

I think a far better question is why everyone from Antiva in this game has a different accent.

Stereotype. Okay.

[Chas1024]

An interesting point, Susan, that would suggest that the Orlesian accent is very much bound up with who Leliana thinks she is. She claims to think of herself as Ferelden but may be deep down she does not. May be she associates her bard life with Orlais and her chantry life with Ferelden. So maybe her accent is a subconscious indication that she hasn't left her old life behind.

[Akimb0]

It's really this simple: She was raised in Orlais and so her accent is Orlesian.

[SusanStoHelit]

Chas1024 wrote...

An interesting point, Susan, that would suggest that the Orlesian accent is very much bound up with who Leliana thinks she is. She claims to think of herself as Ferelden but may be deep down she does not. May be she associates her bard life with Orlais and her chantry life with Ferelden. So maybe her accent is a subconscious indication that she hasn't left her old life behind.

Perhaps so, but since she's not a real person, we can't ask her. We can only guess, based on the evidence ingame. Your guess is certainly theoretically possible. My guess would be that it's just acculturation. Maybe it's both.

Leliana is, quite obviously, very Orlesian in character as well as accent. She loves intrigue, and music and dance, and fashion (she's positively obsessed with shoes and hair and clothing). Her views on Ferelden cooking are clear (well, on Alistair's anyway). She is clearly an Orlesian woman - despite her Ferelden mother. We're not told who her father was, he appears nowhere, but considering her birth in Orlais he is likely Orlesian. In that case, even if she never knew him, she's only half-Ferelden.