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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Yes, characters do return, including Morrigan, and yes, Morrigan is not flawless. That is quite obviously true. Why do you have a problem with that? I find both aspects desirable. The arguments for including her rather than replacing her with someone else to fulfil roles she's naturally suited for have considerable weight, but they fall on deaf ears because you're predisposed against those two things. You did not present a single argument as to *why* recurring characters are bad, and why they should not be allowed to have flaws.

 

I doubt  Morrigan will show up again for a while, if ever. Morrigan  is really pushing her luck with her plot armour, and some people are getting *really* sick of constantly being jerked around by her character.

There was no option for my PC to say "leave i don't want you in my Inquisition"  and i don't know why.

[fhs33721]

This isn't really on topic but doesn't Merrill seem like exactly the kind of elf that'd join Solas?

 

That really depends on what lies exactly he would tell her. If he told her the truth she'd obviously not join him, since well, he'd admit that probably everyone including modern elves will die. If he told something about making elves great again while destroying humans I can't really see her joining him either since she's a genuinely nice person and doesn't harbor any strong anti-human sentiments either. Not even when first meeting her. Even less so after making several human friends during DA2 (Bethany/Carver, Isabela, Aveline, Sebastian and potentially Hawke.)

No if Solas just told her some bullsh*t about helping elves to rebuild their previous culture, while omitting any facts about this having the negative downside of killing countless of people, then I could see her join him. Well, at least until she finds out the truth from Varric and then most likely changes sides immediately.

[fhs33721]

There was no option for my PC to say "leave i don't want you in my Inquisition"  and i don't know why.

Probably because the Empress/Emperor of Orlais, your most important ally, insists on her joining your Inquisition?

[Alaric]

That remains to be seen if DA4 will focus on the Tevinter-Qunari war.

That's a good point. Although I think that if Sten is left in the cage in Lothering and 'dies', there might just be another Arishok; although voicing and writing two separate characters that will be near identical might be a bit too much effort. - So perhaps he does indeed break loose just before the Darkspawn descend.

As for the Tevinter-Qunari war, I feel like that will be a large part of DA:4, but there is still the issue with Solas and the Elves. I feel like the fate of Thedas really hangs in the Dread Wolf's hands right now.

[Seraphim24]

 

 

Haha! I like how Gaider got burned by how BSN turns your B ) into a if you don't put the space there just like everyone else ahehe...

 

Anyway I found Merrill super bumbly and very annoying because of it.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Probably because the Empress/Emperor of Orlais, your most important ally, insists on her joining your Inquisition?

What would have done the empress to me   had i refused her offer?Force me?

Did she know that without me everyone in the world including her would have died for the breach?

Celene can't do nothing she can only accept my decision because if i have Solas i don't need Morrigan is simple.

[Fredward]

That really depends on what lies exactly he would tell her. If he told her the truth she'd obviously not join him, since well, he'd admit that probably everyone including modern elves will die. If he told something about making elves great again while destroying humans I can't really see her joining him either since she's a genuinely nice person and doesn't harbor any strong anti-human sentiments either. Not even when first meeting her. Even less so after making several human friends during DA2 (Bethany/Carver, Isabela, Aveline, Sebastian and potentially Hawke.)

No if Solas just told her some bullsh*t about helping elves to rebuild their previous culture, while omitting any facts about this having the negative downside of killing countless of people, then I could see her join him. Well, at least until she finds out the truth from Varric and then most likely changes sides immediately.

 

See, I really can't imagine how so many elves would join Solas if he's being upfront with them. If he's just stting them all down, telling them about the wonders of ancient elves and going 'Oh but yeah, all of you are probably going to burn in the chaos of the raw Fade when this happens but thanks for the help!' That's not the kind of thing you'd put on a recruitment flyer.

 

I imagine he's doing a slightly modified version of what he did when he freed the elves from the (other?) Evanuris.

[vertigomez]

Yeah, I could see Merrill being tempted by the idea of it, but if she had all or most of the facts there's no way she'd wage war on the whole of civilization. Besides the fact that she has non-elves in her life that are dear to her (especially Hawke, Isabela, and Varric) she wants the Dalish to prosper. Not the ancient elves, the Dalish. Those very same souls that Solas views as ignorant/slave-marked/Not Real Elves™.

[andy6915]

Holy crap... I was just going through my post content on a whim, looking for something else, when I stumble onto this again. I would not have imagined this topic was still going, wouldn't have even conceived of it. Wow.

 

Well, uh, carry on. When I disappeared from this site for over a year or so, I didn't expect a topic I made to still be active when I got back.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Holy crap... I was just going through my post content on a whim, looking for something else, when I stumble onto this again. I would not have imagined this topic was still going, wouldn't have even conceived of it. Wow.

 

Well, uh, carry on. When I disappeared from this site for over a year or so, I didn't expect a topic I made to still be active when I got back.

It was not that active but just resurrected at interval of 4th months by necromancers.

[In Exile]

I thought Morrigan was foolish for drinking from the Fountain, but it isn't yet comparable to Merril's blunder. Merrill gets people killed. Thus far the only casualty of Morrigan's drinking from the well is her own free will, and even that isn't certain...it all depends on whether or not Mythal or Solas want to tug on those chains. Mythal/Flemeth seemed uninterested, although amused.

Merrill's blunder is a different kind of stupid. It's all about arrogance and a lack of foresight - she thinks she's the central cog in Audacity's plan and all she has to do is isolate herself to neuter it. Her inability to understand social politics dooms her.

Morrigan is being way stupider with the Well. There's no reason to think the Well can help. Corypheus thinks it can, but Corypheus is obviously a complete lunatic. That it may be a good idea to destroy the Well to keep it from Corypheus doesn't mean it's a good idea to drink from it.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Merrill's blunder is a different kind of stupid. It's all about arrogance and a lack of foresight - she thinks she's the central cog in Audacity's plan and all she has to do is isolate herself to neuter it. Her inability to understand social politics dooms her.

Morrigan is being way stupider with the Well. There's no reason to think the Well can help. Corypheus thinks it can, but Corypheus is obviously a complete lunatic. That it may be a good idea to destroy the Well to keep it from Corypheus doesn't mean it's a good idea to drink from it.

 

Merrill reached peak stupidity, from failing to understand basic deception and exposing Hawke to pretty much ignoring fact that she couldn't resist demon or refusing to acknowledge actions may have consequences that affect other people. She have problem with basics.

 

Actually, Well was only hope (known) for Inquistor to figure how to stop Corypheus as he was immortal.That Corypheus was a lunatic doesn't mean he wasn't right (he was), Corypheus was correct about orb and has vast knowledge about magic and ancient world.

[CuriousArtemis]

Only reason Morrigan was used instead of the more obvious Merrill is because Morrigan is a fan favorite and possibly a writer favorite, plus Merrill is from the much maligned DA2 as opposed to the god tier DAO.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Only reason Morrigan was used instead of the more obvious Merrill is because Morrigan is a fan favorite and possibly a writer favorite, plus Merrill is from the much maligned DA2 as opposed to the god tier DAO.

Not rly, Merrill could have been killed in da 2, while Morrigan was never killed only clumsily stabbed making it obvious she ain't dead.Plus, Morrigan still had open plot with Flemeth and that they could resolve optional thing with OGB helps matter too.I hope Morrigan role is done though and we won't see her again same for many other characters.

 

Plus role of foolish elf has been taken by Sera, last thing dargon age needs is 2 foolish elves.. 

[Cyberpunk]

Think I've mentioned this elsewhere, but honesty? I don't see it. The Merrill we see at the beginning of DA2, perhaps, but between the character growth she goes through over the course of the game (on both Friendship and Rivalry paths), the various connections she makes with non-elves, and her own compassionate and open-minded nature, I sincerely doubt she'd throw her lot in with a guy who's willing to make a Daemon World if it gets him what he wants. There's simply no way she'd be that cruel, and after everything that happened with Marethari, she'd certainly never walk into a situation like that blindly.

 

Actually I think Merrill does have the personality to join Solas. She is mainly concerned about elves and is a true believer in Dalish mythology. Solas isn't a maniac, Bioware made him a sympathetic villain that is 3 dimensional. Merrill is not just a vanilla good girl, she is 3 dimensional too. If Bioware decided to have her side with Solas, I would not be upset nor surprised. 

[Hellion Rex]

Actually I think Merrill does have the personality to join Solas. She is mainly concerned about elves and is a true believer in Dalish mythology. Solas isn't a maniac, Bioware made him a sympathetic villain that is 3 dimensional. Merrill is not just a vanilla good girl, she is 3 dimensional too. If Bioware decided to have her side with Solas, I would not be upset nor surprised.

Being a sympathetic villain hardly stops him from being a maniac and utterly out of his goddamn mind.

[fhs33721]

Actually I think Merrill does have the personality to join Solas. She is mainly concerned about elves and is a true believer in Dalish mythology. Solas isn't a maniac, Bioware made him a sympathetic villain that is 3 dimensional. Merrill is not just a vanilla good girl, she is 3 dimensional too. If Bioware decided to have her side with Solas, I would not be upset nor surprised. 

Nah, aside from the part where Solas plans most likely involve elves getting killed as well, she just isn't the type for genocide at all. And if she really was a true believer of Dalish mythology (kind of doubtful since she tells Anders: "Your maker is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours") then why would she ever side with what amounts to Dalish-Satan.

[Cyberpunk]

Nah, aside from the part where Solas plans most likely involve elves getting killed as well, she just isn't the type for genocide at all. And if she really was a true believer of Dalish mythology (kind of doubtful since she tells Anders: "Your maker is a story you humans use to explain the world. We have our own stories. I don't need to borrow yours") then why would she ever side with what amounts to Dalish-Satan.

 

Bioware can go either way and it will make sense. Merrill siding with Solas is consistent with her backstory and her personality of caring for the elves. Dalish-Satan? I don't think that's a fair comparison seeing as elvish mythology is more complicated than that. Plus you are talking about Merrill, who is a blood mage and willingly bargains with demons right? 

[Gaia300]

Honestly i think they are both incompetents,one get near to be possessed by a demon but thankfully was helped by Hawke while  the other was used(DR-state) to conceive a child and later was possessed by an ancient well of a soul- whisper who even took the Archdemon soul.....

which mean not only the damge but also the prank...

 

Whatever they  did it only served Mythal who used them both.

[Gaia300]

Morrigan is being way stupider with the Well. There's no reason to think the Well can help. Corypheus thinks it can, but Corypheus is obviously a complete lunatic. That it may be a good idea to destroy the Well to keep it from Corypheus doesn't mean it's a good idea to drink from it.

Who knows why the writers didn't gave the option to destroy it then simply use Abelas or Solas to gain that intel.

But noo...Morrigan had to sabotage the mission and in the end attack Abelas...crazy...

[German Soldier]

 

Actually, Well was only hope (known) for Inquistor to figure how to stop Corypheus as he was immortal.That Corypheus was a lunatic doesn't mean he wasn't right (he was), Corypheus was correct about orb and has vast knowledge about magic and ancient world.

Abelas was another who could have known his secret and  ask didn't cost anything...

and also there was Solas who already proved to be very knowledgeable and even said to Cassandra in conversation that he knew there was a bond between the dragon and Corypheus,and no he did not had to reveal his identity to advise the Inquisitor to kill the red lyrium dragon.

[kimgoold]

Bioware hates elves so they write elves as incompetent, selfish and arrogant. That is all. At this point, in the next game, I expect all elves in Thedas to wear diapers or else they'll poop themselves because they can't do anything right.

 

It's getting old. Especially since we all know from real life that humans are the ones who are incompetent, selfish and arrogant. But I guess that's a little too close to home for Bioware.

 

I agree, but fear not the new Elves coming from Uthenera in the Tirashan will be kicking some serious ass in DA4.

As to the question I don't think Morrighan is smarter she is certainly more ruthless and dishonest than Merrill; but Merrill built an Eluvian from Scratch! thats damn impressive, Morrighan just found an intact uncorrupted Eluvian and found a way to unlock it. For someone who thinks she's ever so superior and more intelligent Morrighan didn't know as much as a Dalish Inquisitor at the temple of Mythal. (geas on Well of Sorrows) 

[fhs33721]

 Dalish-Satan? I don't think that's a fair comparison seeing as elvish mythology is more complicated than that. Plus you are talking about Merrill, who is a blood mage and willingly bargains with demons right? 

No, it is a fair enough comparison. The dread wolve according to (wrong) Dalish legends was the one that basically locked away the (according to legend) benevolent elven gods, that protected their people and cared for them as well as the other less benevolent gods, in order to be the only god left.

In stories he constantly screws over everyone that is trying to make a deal with him. For example the whole "Felassan"-story, where he promises to kill a monster threatening a clan and does so, after it killed everyone in the clan. The Story Merrill tells to Hawkes Mabari has her literally saying that the Dread wolf tried to murder Keeper in the Fade for the sole reason that said Keeper was wise and kind and that Fen'Harel hates these traits more than anything else.

Even what amounts to the Dalish Version of "Go to Hell" is basically "May the dread wolf take you!"

He's pretty much the ultimate bad-guy in Dalish mythology.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Abelas was another who could have known his secret and  ask didn't cost anything...

and also there was Solas who already proved to be very knowledgeable and even said to Cassandra in conversation that he knew there was a bond between the dragon and Corypheus,and no he did not had to reveal his identity to advise the Inquisitor to kill the red lyrium dragon.

 

Abelas didn't want to help you, even if you ask him he says he cares nothing about your conflict with Corypheus, assuming that he even knew.

Solas didn't say anything and unlikely he would by that point (avoiding that would throw a suspicion on him), nor Inquistor had knowledge who Solas is to take that into account.

[German Soldier]

Abelas didn't want to help you, even if you ask him he says he cares nothing about your conflict with Corypheus, assuming that he even knew.

 

To ask don't cost anything the game simply does not provide the option.

In fact he even said that if you will use the well against Cory he will give you permission to drink from it ....

so much for someone which does not care...

 

When he is up to leave the temple he answer many questions about the well of sorrow without problems because he respect  the Inquisitor at that point,answer to a question does not mean that he will help you.

 

 

Solas didn't say anything and unlikely he would by that point (avoiding that would throw a suspicion on him), nor Inquistor had knowledge who Solas is to take that into account.

As i said it does not matter that the Inquisitor does not know that he is Fen'harel,he demonstrated to possess knowledge about many things and  actually there is a dialogue in which  Cassandra ask to him what is the red Lyrium dragon and he reveal that is bound with Corypheus.

In short everyone in the party know that Solas has more knowledge than anyone else even if they don't know why again ask don't cost anything.