Aller au contenu

Photo

Is Morrigan just that much more competent and intelligent than Merrill?


  • Veuillez vous connecter pour répondre
434 réponses à ce sujet

#426
LobselVith8

LobselVith8
  • Members
  • 16 990 messages

 

How do you know that Cilian is following Solas?   He learnt how to be an arcane warrior at an ancient shrine.   He has the vallaslin of June.   If he had met Solas and was his follower, you'd think Solas would have removed his vallaslin.   In any case, he could simply have meditated at the shrine and contacted the spirits associated with the place, as Solas claims is possible.   Then during his prolonged period there he was able to learn the secrets of the ancient order.    His armour could simply have been buried there.   All the ancient elves seem to have the same, it is not confined to Fen'Harel.  The entry on him in the Wiki says that his years of meditation and solitude gave him a wisdom and respect for all life, while his entry in WoT2 says he returned to the world to dedicate his skills to fighting "for the greater good of all Thedosians."   That doesn't suggest someone who would rush off and join Solas.

 

I used 'seems' because it's speculation mainly from the Solas thread among some fans and, if I recall correctly, Weekes not denying his involvement with Solas due to fans asking him about it. Perhaps I should have used another word instead to better denote what I meant. To clarify, he seems to be the candidate that I often read most people associating as being an agent of Solas (admittedly, he's the only Dalish candidate I've ever read anyone give any serious consideration to acting as a spy for Solas). I've sometimes read some people definitively claim that he is a spy, but I think they mean it more in terms of candidates people likely suspect rather than any new information that's been revealed.

 

If Cillian is fighting to help everyone, let's hope the world doesn't end up killing him over being Dalish.

 

I think both Morrigan and Merrill demonstrate a degree of intelligence.  A person can have great intelligence but little common sense.    A better question might be to ask which shows the greatest wisdom.    For example, would Merrill jump at the chance of drinking from the Well of Sorrows?    Would she be so quick to dismiss the dangers of the geas?    Would she be more likely to heed the warning from Cole about the spirits that would be running around in your head?  Would she be less inclined to believe that Mythal was truly dead?

 

Even if you think she would be just as likely as Morrigan, then you could argue that both were as heedless of the potential dangers so fixated they were on the benefits of drinking.   Morrigan certainly regretted her decision once the full implications were revealed to her but then she had been warned.   She was just so full of herself that she knew best and wanted that knowledge. 

 

I think it's an issue of context. Morrigan wants the power of the Well because it's power. If this was Act I Merrill, she could very well drink from the Well knowing the risks because, as we know from her story, she's willing to sacrifice herself if it means that she can bring an end to the suffering that her people face. The possibility of using the knowledge of the Well to help the People​ answer centuries of unanswered questions could mean more to her than the potential end of her life, but that's also hard to say definitively because she's now acting as a de facto hahren of the elves and that would likely be a contributing factor (she didn't have those kind of responsibilities when she started constructing the Eluvian).



#427
Vit246

Vit246
  • Members
  • 1 460 messages

Well, being raised by Flemeth probably gave Morrigan the background knowledge needed to actually understand the book's content.

 

Not being weighed down by the Dalish's fanfic history probably helped too.

 ....AlrightI'msickofthisshite.

 

https://brialavellan...t-know-anything

 

https://brialavellan...e-better-choice


  • LobselVith8 aime ceci

#428
Gervaise

Gervaise
  • Members
  • 4 506 messages

Trust Weekes to imply that the one positive Dalish figure connected with DAI (other than Lavellan) is really an agent of Solas. Still not denying it is not he same as saying he is but could hint at him being used in the future and they want people not to be sure if they can trust him or not.  The other multiplayer Dalish, Neria, seemed a lot more disparaging of learning from other cultures, based off the multiplayer dialogue that I've read, whereas Cilian says he is glad of the opportunity to learn more from his time with the Inquisition.    I don't do multiplayer but I did find his entry interesting in WoT2 and wanted to learn more.    I suspect it is unlikely we will meet him again but if we do and he is on the wrong side, I shall be very disappointed.    I really like the idea of someone who was all about recovering elven glory and then in the process of discovering the ancient secrets actually comes to value the modern world and its inhabitants, that encompasses so much more than simply the people.   In my world, he supports Lavallen, both when trying to convince the other Dalish not to support Fen'Harel and in the subsequent fight against him.   I don't want all the preservers of the ancient culture of the elves to be lumped in with Solas and so we end up having to destroy them.   Arcane warrior can be a noble calling and doesn't have to be associated entirely with tyranny and elven glory at the expense of everyone else.



#429
TEWR

TEWR
  • Members
  • 16 979 messages

TL:DR
 

Morrigan read the instruction manual.

 

Normally people just throw those out and try to do it themselves (sometimes with poor results). Apparently there is one person who does use them. Fascinating...


  • dragonflight288 et Arvaarad aiment ceci

#430
In Exile

In Exile
  • Members
  • 28 738 messages

Morrigan's dialogue with Mahariel has her tell the Dalish protagonist that she didn't (it's why she was curious to begin with). Any information would likely have to come from the grimoire the Warden gives her.


We know Flemeth didn't expressly teach her anything sourced to the elvhen - but that doesn't mean she didn't teach her things elvhen. Look at the shapeshifting magic that she uses that - if given the well - leads her to shapeshift to a dragon, the form reserved for the gods.
  • TEWR et dragonflight288 aiment ceci

#431
TEWR

TEWR
  • Members
  • 16 979 messages

We know Flemeth didn't expressly teach her anything sourced to the elvhen - but that doesn't mean she didn't teach her things elvhen. Look at the shapeshifting magic that she uses that - if given the well - leads her to shapeshift to a dragon, the form reserved for the gods.

Very true. Mahariel can point out the similarities between her magic and Dalish Keepers knowing magic akin to it


  • In Exile, Shechinah, dragonflight288 et 1 autre aiment ceci

#432
dragonflight288

dragonflight288
  • Members
  • 8 850 messages

We know Flemeth didn't expressly teach her anything sourced to the elvhen - but that doesn't mean she didn't teach her things elvhen. Look at the shapeshifting magic that she uses that - if given the well - leads her to shapeshift to a dragon, the form reserved for the gods.

 

Warden Amell in my playthrough can become a god! WOOOHOOO!


  • ThePhoenixKing aime ceci

#433
In Exile

In Exile
  • Members
  • 28 738 messages

Very true. Mahariel can point out the similarities between her magic and Dalish Keepers knowing magic akin to it

 

Really? I never played a Dalish elf in origins. That's cool if true - shows that unlike ME, Bioware actually plotted out DA. And the interesting bit is that you don't get to have a Dalish mage ask Flemeth about learning magic. Her point about her teachings being different from the Circle takes on a new meaning after the reveal of her nature as Mythal. 



#434
German Soldier

German Soldier
  • Members
  • 985 messages

We know Flemeth didn't expressly teach her anything sourced to the elvhen - but that doesn't mean she didn't teach her things elvhen. Look at the shapeshifting magic that she uses that - if given the well - leads her to shapeshift to a dragon, the form reserved for the gods.

How do you know that the dragon form isn't related only to being a shapeshifter?
We don't know if any random shapeshifter could have become a dragon with the well of sorrow since you have no way to make a test.


#435
German Soldier

German Soldier
  • Members
  • 985 messages

Morrigan was raised by an actual elven goddess, and had access to grimore of said goddess.

 

 

The grimoires are not mandatory as i recall you can keep them for yourself.
Flemeth taught to Morrigan very little compared to what she did with the others daughters in fact i doubt she ever told her anything about the eluvians.