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[phaonica]

Morrigan's being human probably allows her more mobility and more access to resources because Morrigan can probably hide being an apostate better than Merrill can hide being Dalish. It may not have anything to do with one being more competent than the other.

[Sifr]

Plus Morrigan is a shapeshifter and able to turn into a Mabari, a guarantee that no-one's going to hassle her in that form in Ferelden?

[myahele]

Morrighan did have alot more resources at her disposal than Merrill.

 

Exluding being taught be Flemeth, she was (surprisingly) able to convince a dalish clan to give her their tome.

[phaonica]

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According to this wiki entry, "The Sorceress[Morrigan] arrives in Serault bearing a letter from Empress Celene, stating that she is to be afforded every aid and courtesy and is to be allowed to research at the Glassworks." (http://dragonage.wik...rnful_Sorceress)
 
Morrigan was repairing a broken eluvian with the resources of Empress Celene at her disposal. Merrill.... did not have that ... to say the least.

[Sifr]

Morrighan did have alot more resources at her disposal than Merrill.

 

Exluding being taught be Flemeth, she was (surprisingly) able to convince a dalish clan to give her their tome.

 

She didn't convince them, she simply charmed them enough to let their guard down, allowing her to nick the book.

 

That's why Ariane is after her, because the Dalish are not happy with her for betraying their trust like that?

[thats1evildude]

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Not only that, but according to this wiki entry, "The Sorceress[Morrigan] arrives in Serault bearing a letter from Empress Celene, stating that she is to be afforded every aid and courtesy and is to be allowed to research at the Glassworks." (http://dragonage.wik...rnful_Sorceress)
 
Morrigan was repairing a broken eluvian with the resources of Empress Celene at her disposal. Merrill.... did not have that ... to say the least.

 

I can confirm that. Morrigan comes to Serault to utilize the glassworks. When she's about to leave, the Marquis may ask her what she was working on; she then reveals it was an Eluvian.

[phaonica]

I can confirm that. Morrigan comes to Serault to utilize the glassworks. When she's about to leave, the Marquis may ask her what she was working on; she then reveals it was an Eluvian.

I assume this takes place before Witch Hunt?

[Br3admax]

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According to this wiki entry, "The Sorceress[Morrigan] arrives in Serault bearing a letter from Empress Celene, stating that she is to be afforded every aid and courtesy and is to be allowed to research at the Glassworks." (http://dragonage.wik...rnful_Sorceress)
 
Morrigan was repairing a broken eluvian with the resources of Empress Celene at her disposal. Merrill.... did not have that ... to say the least.

Repairing a mirror on the empress' orders =/= said empress' resources are being used. Just the glassworks of Serault, which are surprisingly only useful in fixing glass, not actually useful in making the magic of the eluvian work. That's something she needed lore from elsewhere to do. 

 

I assume this takes place before Witch Hunt?

 

The Last Court is like a week or two before Inquisition. 

[phaonica]

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Repairing a mirror on the empress' orders =/= said empress' resources are being used. Just the glassworks of Serault, which are surprisingly only useful in fixing glass, not actually useful in making the magic of the eluvian work. That's something she needed lore from elsewhere to do.

I don't think it says that Morrigan is repairing the mirror on the empress' orders; it says that the empress orders the glassworks to aid Morrigan. Apparently the Marquis can refuse the empress' orders, though, so even the empress' orders only get Morrigan so much.

Even so, it shows a mobility that Merrill doesn't have. Merrill fixes the glass with magic or glue or something. Though I don't know why Morrigan would need a whole glassworks if magic could fix it. I assume having the glassworks allows the repair to be quicker, but I don't know anything about repairing glass, so I don't know. I suppose that if Merrill had only known about the glassworks, maybe she could have figured out how to gain access to it, as well?
 

The Last Court is like a week or two before Inquisition. 

If the eluvian in Witch Hunt works, what eluvian is broken in Last Court? I guess she has more than one?

[thats1evildude]

The Last Court takes place before Inquisition. The Divine is on her way to Haven and stops in Serault. Your goal is to sufficiently impress her enough to have Serault's long-standing "Shame" lifted.

[Kantr]

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I don't think it says that Morrigan is repairing the mirror on the empress' orders; it says that the empress orders the glassworks to aid Morrigan. Apparently the Marquis can refuse the empress' orders, though, so even the empress' orders only get Morrigan so much.

Even so, it shows a mobility that Merrill doesn't have. Merrill fixes the glass with magic or glue or something. Though I don't know why Morrigan would need a whole glassworks if magic could fix it. I assume having the glassworks allows the repair to be quicker, but I don't know anything about repairing glass, so I don't know. I suppose that if Merrill had only known about the glassworks, maybe she could have figured out how to gain access to it, as well?
 

If the eluvian in Witch Hunt works, what eluvian is broken in Last Court? I guess she has more than one?

Morrigan found another one apparently in a river or somewhere. According to WoT2

[Serza]

Y'all are a bunch of Shems, considering Merrill stupid.

[Br3admax]

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I don't think it says that Morrigan is repairing the mirror on the empress' orders; it says that the empress orders the glassworks to aid Morrigan. Apparently the Marquis can refuse the empress' orders, though, so even the empress' orders only get Morrigan so much.

Even so, it shows a mobility that Merrill doesn't have. Merrill fixes the glass with magic or glue or something. Though I don't know why Morrigan would need a whole glassworks if magic could fix it. I assume having the glassworks allows the repair to be quicker, but I don't know anything about repairing glass, so I don't know. I suppose that if Merrill had only known about the glassworks, maybe she could have figured out how to gain access to it, as well?
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Nah, Morrigan says she's there on Celene's orders and that what she is doing is important to the Empress. And Marquis can refuse because Celene is a weak ruler. Feudal nobility has a lot of relatives when concerning power. A duke can theoretically match an emperor in terms of actual loyalty given the chance.  

As for the rest, irrelevant. Merrill can fix the glass well enough, contrary to what the in game model shows; it's activating the mirror that she can't quite get right. And considering Merrill has had well over a decade and Morrigan got one to work in a year, the one from Awakening wasn't exactly sterling when she found it, it has a lot more to do with superior arcane knowledge and tutelage. Morrigan being more intelligent has a lot more to do with all the other factors in her life compared to Merrill than this one specific instance. 

[Sifr]

Morrigan found another one apparently in a river or somewhere. According to WoT2

 

Makes you wonder if Morrigan found out it was underwater the hard way... c'mon Claudia Black, you were in Stargate SG-1, didn't you learn that you never step through an ancient portal without sending a MALP through first to check if it's safe?

 

[Incantrix]

Annnd despite everyone confirming that Morrigan is ruthless, selfish and arrogant she somehow still gets a pass compared to Fiona and Vivienne. Ha.

What? Is it her snarky one liners?

Sorry, just something that bugs me.

[Statare]

Eh. They seem pretty typical of the intellectual blinded by their own goals. Morrigan was able to solve all her problems largely from what she learned from her mother, who knew much more about Eluvians than Merrill's keeper. Yet, in the end, if left to her own devices Morrigan plays into a game she thought she could outsmart, and grossly misinterpreted her mother's actions, possibly to her detriment. The amount of times Morrigan is wrong in What Pride Had Wrought is pretty astounding for how well she had did from Witch Hunt on. Merrill is a lot like Briala. Both completely clueless, but I have to wonder if Merrill was not closer than we think, considering Briala gets her key from a demon. We also do not know what Morrigan did to get her key. Many people in this thread are assuming she just worked some magic and bam, it worked, but she says twice that she activated her mirrors with a cost. We still don't know what that is, and if Morrigan thought the cost was high, I'm sure it was a heavy toll.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Being raised by an elven goddess does give Morrigan something of an unfair advantage. 

[Master Warder Z_]

A bog witch possessed by something that the elves worshipped you mean.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Yeah, it's clear to me that Morrigan had a significant advantage over Merrill in the fact that she both didn't have to rebuild her Eluvian from scratch, and she had Flemeth's lore to aid her. Still, I don't think that necessarily discounts Merill's intelligence, determination or motivations; Morrigan may have beaten her to the punch, but that doesn't automatically make her a dullard, her efforts were worthy in any context. Just because the ancient Greeks discovered the heliocentric model of the universe first doesn't make Copernicus a moron.

 

That being said, Merrill may have eventually succeeded (at least on the Friendship path), as her Eluvian does show up in the Crossroads (this thread has more information: http://forum.bioware...-inquisition/).I'd also like to think that somewhere down the line, the two team up or share knowledge in some capacity. After all, the best way to make sure knowledge is not forgotten is to disseminate it as far as possible. Plus, can you imagine the hijinxs would get up to together?

[Master Warder Z_]

as her Eluvian does show up in the Crossroads

I heard it appears regardless of whether or not it was completed and was just a aesthetic choice of design.

[andy6915]

Yeah, it's clear to me that Morrigan had a significant advantage over Merrill in the fact that she both didn't have to rebuild her Eluvian from scratch, and she had Flemeth's lore to aid her. Still, I don't think that necessarily discounts Merill's intelligence, determination or motivations; Morrigan may have beaten her to the punch, but that doesn't automatically make her a dullard, her efforts were worthy in any context. Just because the ancient Greeks discovered the heliocentric model of the universe first doesn't make Copernicus a moron.

 

That being said, Merrill may have eventually succeeded (at least on the Friendship path), as her Eluvian does show up in the Crossroads (this thread has more information: http://forum.bioware...-inquisition/).I'd also like to think that somewhere down the line, the two team up or share knowledge in some capacity. After all, the best way to make sure knowledge is not forgotten is to disseminate it as far as possible. Plus, can you imagine the hijinxs would get up to together?

 

She... Succeeded?!?! She actually got it working? Amazing.

 

Well I'm glad I made this topic now. As a fan of Merrill's, I'm glad that there were very good reasons for Morrigan seemingly doing so much better than her. I think some people thought I made this thread to bash Merrill, but it was quite the opposite. I really liked Merrill and it always bothered me that Morrigan made her look like a complete idiot by easily completing what Merrill never could, so I've long thought about why that was the case. And this thread gave me a whole host of ideas that weren't "Merrill was just incompetent", and now I learn she actually completed her mirror after all. Thanks for the posts, everyone, makes me feel a lot better about this. Even if that mirror isn't Merrill's, I'm still glad to know her failure wasn't because Morrigan was just significantly better than her.

 

...Not that I'm saying to abandon the thread, now that it served the purpose it had to me personally. I'll be happy to see the discussion continue, I'm enjoying it.

[Master Warder Z_]

She... Succeeded?!?!

Or it's a reused graphics texture.

[andy6915]

Or it's a reused graphics texture.

 

And I said that it might not mean anything.

[stop_him]

*sigh*

Bioware does not hate elves anymore than they hate casteless dwarves or apostates. Being persecuted in the game =/= being persecuted by the developers.

No.

 

BW claimed they wanted to turn typical fantasy lore on its head. But I haven't seen Bioware accomplish this yet. Instead, they just turned elves into incompetent, whining morons. 

 

BW clearly dislikes elves; just like they dislike dwarves d/t the complete lack of any real investigation into dwarven lore and legend compared to other races in the game. 

 

If they really wanted to turn the fantasy genre on its head, humans would not be so venerated and powerful.

 

Blah, blah, blah, humans. Been there, done that.

 

Bioware messed up by dragging elves and dwarves into the dirt by making them as petty as humans. Now there's practically no difference between elves, dwarves and humans other than some races are skinnier or shorter than humans.

[Master Warder Z_]

I actually like them ripping off the Witcher take on elves.