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[MissOuJ]

Would anyone here really be offended if your Inquisitor, and your LI, had an on screen sex scene?

 

Probably not offended, but there's a big chance I'd be either majorly put-off or the scene would break my immersion because of clipping issues / weird animation / etc.

 

Let's face it: the tech and animation would have to be something spectacular to make that work, particularly in a game which includes customized character creation and several different races which all have different body types. Sure, eventually the tech will improve and mo cap might become a bit easier/cheaper in the future (?) [and, on a side note: mo capping sex scenes sounds like the absolute epitome of funny and awkward at the same time - nothing quite as sexy as that spotted black full body leotard], but even then there's the problem that different people like different things. Sex in particular is such a personal and intimate topic that a scene that might be the cherry on top of a good romance arc for one person will be such a turn-off for another person that it all but ruins any connection they might've had with the characters. So, for most of the time, unless you're absolutely 120 % sure of your intended audience, it's more trouble than it's worth, since teasing a bit and fade to black work better for the audience at large.

 

Not saying no to nudity or sex as a topic, but there are a lot more ways to integrate those into games than pre-rendered sex scenes.

 

EDIT: Just to add - isn't this the same ESRB review where they cited Bull's line "I will bring myself sexual pleasure later, while thinking about this with great respect"? Also, they get a pre-edited "smut reel" from the developer where the developers include all the "bad" / offensive / violent / sexual stuff which is relevant to their ESRB rating, so their evaluation is mostly done out of context.

 

Plus: future-blouse.

[Dieb]

Would anyone here really be offended if your Inquisitor, and your LI, had an on screen sex scene?

 

Offended? No. Confused, maybe.

 

Think about movies - you only see a prolonged sex scene when there's something nasty or terrible about to happen. Otherwise it's simply not necessary, because, well, you're not porn. They're happy, very happy in fact, point made, good night.

[KaiserShep]

Watchmen had a pretty long sex scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. Needless to say it was awkward as hell, especially when playing to the sound of Hallelujah. Bonus points for Archie's fiery ejaculate.

[thats1evildude]

Watchmen had a pretty long sex scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre. Needless to say it was awkward as hell, especially when playing to the sound of Hallelujah. Bonus points for Archie's fiery ejaculate.

To be fair, it's supposed to be as awkward as hell.

[KaiserShep]

I can never tell with Zack Snyder. The guy loves overindulgence.

[Legion of 1337]

Nude scenes in Dragon Age were so awkward.... They should just stop or take notes from other games that do it much better.

That's because Bioware has never been good at realistic human animation.

 

It's a good thing the voice acting and the writing is so good, because if you actually stare at the characters conversing you'll realize how stiff and strange it looks and you won't buy it anymore (I have unfortunately done this and my immersion is permanently cracked).

[berelinde]

 

What, is the religious right really that terrifying?

If you'd met my mother, you wouldn't need to ask that question.

 

Kidding aside, I think their decision to avoid graphic depictions of sex is less because they're afraid of offending conservative groups (because conservative groups are going to be offended no matter what) and more because they simply don't want to show graphic depictions of sex.

[mopotter]

ME1  Loved it.  

[KaiserShep]

That's because Bioware has never been good at realistic human animation.
 
It's a good thing the voice acting and the writing is so good, because if you actually stare at the characters conversing you'll realize how stiff and strange it looks and you won't buy it anymore (I have unfortunately done this and my immersion is permanently cracked).

I thought ME2 was pretty good about this. Like, with Mordin, he paced around and gestured a lot more than other companions. It seemed fairly well done.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If I wanted to watch people have sex I can always watch porn. I'd rather not see it in a video game.

More importantly, there are games for that.

[Inverse_Twilight]

I don't think there needs to be full sex scenes in a video game. The romance is not why most people buy the game, it's about story and combat/ gameplay for most gamers. I rather liked the romance scenes, they implied sex without showing it.  I would be fine with a little kissing, starting to get naked, then fade to black. Not that I minded seeing Sera's fantastic t*ts. Maybe they could do it like in Fable, where it faded to black and you could just hear the sex. People would probably prefer that, because they could mute their tv when someone came in the room, instead of having a really awkward scene with whoever walked in. *Suddenly glad that I live alone*

[Legion of 1337]

I thought ME2 was pretty good about this. Like, with Mordin, he paced around and gestured a lot more than other companions. It seemed fairly well done.

It's an illusion because of the cramped nature of the ship and the fact that you talk to everyone in the same way in the same places. All the characters use repetitive, recycled gestures and pacing around. The most ubiquitous - other than the small hand gestures that get repeated multiple times every conversation - is the sidestep a few paces while talking, turn around, gesture while still speaking, end up back in the same position they started with when the line is finished. It's supposed to look like they're pacing around and gesturing while they explain, they think, but it doesn't look natural (because again, the animations aren't good) and it's also easy to recognize that they never change. Same animation. Every. Damn time.

[Legion of 1337]

I don't think there needs to be full sex scenes in a video game.

Why?

[Inverse_Twilight]

Why?

I'm sure lots of people would like it, but I don't think it needs to happen, at least not in DA. I like how they imply sex without making a graphic sex scene. I like a little mystery. I can imagine what happened without having to see it.

[Legion of 1337]

I'm sure lots of people would like it, but I don't think it needs to happen, at least not in DA. I like how they imply sex without making a graphic sex scene. I like a little mystery. I can imagine what happened without having to see it.

That doesn't answer the question, you just said "I don't want it to".

[Onmens]

Bioware hasn't got the best track record when it comes to climaxes.

[Inverse_Twilight]

That doesn't answer the question, you just said "I don't want it to".

I just think it would make some people uncomfortable unless there was an option to skip the scene.

[Legion of 1337]

I just think it would make some people uncomfortable unless there was an option to skip the scene.

Do you like, skip sex scenes in movies or something?

 

I'm mean I'm against it too, but for a different reason. Until Bioware learns how to do motion capture and/or realistic animation, any sex scene they do will look very strange and I don't want to see it.

[Inverse_Twilight]

Do you like, skip sex scenes in movies or something?

 

I'm mean I'm against it too, but for a different reason. Until Bioware learns how to do motion capture and/or realistic animation, any sex scene they do will look very strange and I don't want to see it.

You'll notice that I never said I would be uncomfortable. I wouldn't mind it myself, if they did it right and it was meaningful and not just porn for the sake of porn.

[zambingo]

That doesn't answer the question, you just said "I don't want it to".

The poster never stated anything academically or with FACT! implications. Not sure what you're after, giving it's clearly an opinion/preference. All anyone has to say or imply is, "I don't want it to." It's not a position of OR ELSE nor I KNOW BETTER THAN THOU.

:-)

[Legion of 1337]

You'll notice that I never said I would be uncomfortable. I wouldn't mind it myself, if they did it right and it was meaningful and not just porn for the sake of porn.

If it's a romantic subplot, how would it be porn for porn's sake? Well unless the subplot is shallow - Bioware's done that before, to be sure.

[zambingo]

Romances don't need sex scenes. Sex is great, imo, big fan of sex here. lol But more or less in relation to story is less a concern for society to ponder and instead that for the creator to ponder. Not that we can't also ponder it, that's fun! :-)

In a similar thought of appropriateness for the piece in relation to censorship (self or otherwise) the Lonely Island/SNL crew has commented before that Dick in a Box feels more effective with it's censoring beeps than without. The audio censoring but uncensored visual suggestions combines to create, arguably, a more effective piece of satire.

Romance stories can feel as sexual without explicit depictions as when they have them. Both approaches are valid, when they work best is artistic opinion. eg. Sera's more graphic (yet imo still tame) scene is totally in line with her persona. If Josie's romance suddenly concluded with that, not that any type of personality can't enjoy great and varied sex (again, big fan of sex here lol), but it may have felt jarring and out of place.

[WikipediaBrown]

Intimacy is a normal and healthy part of the majority of relationships, I think more should be included. I don't want or need to see minutes of clothed,awkward,dead-eyed thrusting (like that terrible Ride to Hell Retribution game,) but well thought out moments can tell you a lot about the characters. Are they lusty and eager, or hesitant at taking a big step in a relationship? Do they indulge in pillow talk, or awkwardly look for their clothes and the closest door? People also seem to open up and share things they otherwise wouldn't because of the feelings of closeness. I think well-written scenes could really add something to the game, and if the scene has some naked body parts, oh well. 

[nightscrawl]

To go in the opposite direction, in DAI they experimented with two different no-sex relationships: Josephine and Dorian (optional for him).
 
Here is what David Gaider had to say about those. These were mainly in response to questions about representation of asexuality, but I think can also be used for the general mindset of using sex as a romance device. This is especially pertinent with the Dorian romance as it is the player's choice whether to have sex or not.
 

Not all the DAI romance arcs culminate in a “sex scene”, and I can recall at least one where the conversation which would otherwise lead into such a scene need not (at the player’s discretion) and the romance arc continues on. I wouldn’t call it a feature, per se, as it’s not consistently applied, and is just something I encouraged the writers to try.

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As Patrick and I discussed at GamerX last year, the thing we see more likely is allowing the player more opportunity to have romances where sex wasn’t a necessary part of it — I didn’t dictate that this needed to be the case in DAI, but I asserted to the writers that they needn’t feel required to include sex in their romances, and that’s why some of them don’t need to go there (like Dorian) or leave it out entirely (like Josephine). Whether we would make that a requirement in the future, I’m not really sure. We slightly change our approach to follower writing and romances in particular with each outing, so it really depends.

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