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[KaiserShep]

It's an illusion because of the cramped nature of the ship and the fact that you talk to everyone in the same way in the same places. All the characters use repetitive, recycled gestures and pacing around. The most ubiquitous - other than the small hand gestures that get repeated multiple times every conversation - is the sidestep a few paces while talking, turn around, gesture while still speaking, end up back in the same position they started with when the line is finished. It's supposed to look like they're pacing around and gesturing while they explain, they think, but it doesn't look natural (because again, the animations aren't good) and it's also easy to recognize that they never change. Same animation. Every. Damn time.

Fair enough, but it was far better than that usual NPC gesturing that you see throughout most of the game, and indeed across both the DA and ME series.

[Steelcan]

was it tame?  Yes

 

is that a bad thing?  Not necessarily

 

Does it need to be more graphic going forward? Eh

[AlanC9]

Think about movies - you only see a prolonged sex scene when there's something nasty or terrible about to happen. Otherwise it's simply not necessary, because, well, you're not porn. They're happy, very happy in fact, point made, good night.

This isn't completely true, though most of the exceptions that I can think of immediately aren't heterosexual. (Possibly because lesbians and gay man having sex without something terrible happening is precisely the point? ) And the art/porn dichotomy is artificial anyway.

But yeah, in games being made now, for the market we have now? Not happening..

[Inverse_Twilight]

Intimacy is a normal and healthy part of the majority of relationships, I think more should be included. I don't want or need to see minutes of clothed,awkward,dead-eyed thrusting (like that terrible Ride to Hell Retribution game,) but well thought out moments can tell you a lot about the characters. Are they lusty and eager, or hesitant at taking a big step in a relationship? Do they indulge in pillow talk, or awkwardly look for their clothes and the closest door? People also seem to open up and share things they otherwise wouldn't because of the feelings of closeness. I think well-written scenes could really add something to the game, and if the scene has some naked body parts, oh well. 

I think it would be good idea to show glimpses of sex and then a 'pillow talk' scene as opposed to a long sex scene. It would have showed what the sex would be like; eager, tender, sweet, or whatever and then have the closeness of the pillow talk/cuddling scene after.

[Geth Supremacy]

was it tame?  Yes

 

is that a bad thing?  Not necessarily

 

Does it need to be more graphic going forward? Eh

 

And here I was hoping for topless groupies that follow me around wherever I go and they can also get tips from all NPCs which of course they give right to me.

[aoibhealfae]

Mass Effect do a variable collection of sensuous and "fade out" sex scenes (of course, Liara still get the special treatment than most) but none were really as mildly graphic (or unintentionally hilarious) as DAO's scenes. In subsequent DAs, they're pretty much just hot makeout sessions and fade outs. If they're going for the "mature" rating, the least they could do was not disappoint us who expect an actual mature rating. *hmm hmm*

[robertthebard]

Why?

 
 

That doesn't answer the question, you just said "I don't want it to".

I've got a better question: Why do we need it? What purpose could it possibly serve? I don't see anything that it can possibly add to a video game. So far, the only thing I've seen is "Because I want it.", and if that's a valid argument, then "I don't want it" is too. The idea of sex scenes in a video game doesn't really do anything for me, perhaps because of my being a bouncer in strip clubs for the better part of a decade. You know, been there, done that, got some hats and some t-shirts. If I get to feeling like I need to see some sex, I can watch porn, I'm 52, and there's certainly enough of it online.

Although, the idea upthread of making you have to actually play it could be funny. Especially if BioWare tracked the metrics of who couldn't keep both hands on the controller long enough to push the right buttons at the right times, and posted it up for the world to see.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Bioware and adult content are mutually exclusive things. 

[Sully13]

because we live in a world of triggerwarnings and special snowflakes who demand to have there special thing represented and we also live in a world of FOXnews viewers too. 

[myahele]

For those who want more "graphic" i suggest looking at the flycame version of the romance scenes. 

[Dieb]

Do you like, skip sex scenes in movies or something?

 

I'm mean I'm against it too, but for a different reason. Until Bioware learns how to do motion capture and/or realistic animation, any sex scene they do will look very strange and I don't want to see it.

 

Everybody likes good sex. And that's fine. But you cannot deny that they don't have a place in common narratives who are not mainly focused on sexuality.

 

A little humping and the classic close up of a face overtaken by ecstasy is one thing, but sex scenes that would require your desired amount of technical improvement would just seem weirdly out of place. That's like watching your scouts and craftsmen set up each and every camp item by item in real time, instead of a brief montage meant to say "we can do this, let's work together". It is just unnecessary. Even if it is something everybody loves & does themselves, I don't want to watch my protagonist until he's finished his delicious steak or sipped a whole cup of tea without haste.

 

I've said it before, we're talking about romance here, not the obligatory full sex scene, which is traditionally used to point out a certain amount of anarchy and tension. You don't see the entire act or details of it, if it's about love and happy ending. I dare you to give me any example of a non art-house movie or mainstream game, in which you see it and it is not supposed to be either "wrong", shocking, or a lead-up to something terrible happening. If anything, it's never to show they just love each other and have some fun.

 

I am not saying that in real life, sex has more negative than positive connotations for me, but this is just how it works in entertainment. It's like how every weapon of any kind that is drawn must make a sound to be introduced to the audience, or how you cannot use no filter on the camera in a movie. Some things are just a given, and some can't be, because we are irrefutably conditioned that way. As much as you won't see an ugly protagonist any time soon, you will see no one jumping up in a theatre shouting "this is just a backdrop!".

 

People will be weirded out if certain expectations established by traditional mechanisms are or are not met. Chances are, both you and me would be, too.

[rashie]

The less of it the better imo, biowares "adult" content have never been very well made and often feels forced and wooden.

[Shechinah]

Bioware and adult content are mutually exclusive things. 

 

Only if you are of the opinion that adult content can only be sexual content.
 

[Inverse_Twilight]

Geez I am surprised that the ESRB didn't make a big deal out of the rock formations that look like middle fingers in the Exalted Plains

There are also topless Qunari women statues in Emprise du Lion that Sera points out to you. With icicles on their t*ts.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

There are also topless Qunari women statues in Emprise du Lion that Sera points out to you. With icicles on their t*ts.

Weren't those Desire Demons? 

[zambingo]

One point I haven't seen, and one that just appeared in my initial thoughts after a nap (gotta love the subconscious); There is a marked difference between a Mature content rating and an Adults Only content rating.

The present violence, profanity and sexual depictions in Dragon Age obviously earn their Mature Rating. An Adults Only rating could be given if any or multiple of the following occurred; More graphic violent, profane or sexual activity. Longer, more focused sexual activity. Interactive sexual activity or cruelty (eg. a Sit in Judgment quest suddenly allowing us to interactively torture prisoners).

While the saying "different strokes for different folks" is never more appropriate here, can anyone truly believe or foresee that Bioware would want to release an Adults Only game?

[Inverse_Twilight]

Weren't those Desire Demons? 

Maybe...? They looked like Qunari to me. I also figured they were Qunari based on Sera's reaction.

[berelinde]

Am I the only one who liked the romance scenes in DAI? (I know, I know. The answer to any question that begins with "Am I the only one..." will always be "no".)

 

I loved Origins, I really did, but the underwear sex was just too ludicrous for belief. I liked the romance scenes in DA2. They didn't show any depictions of nudity, but that's fine. I liked how each character's foreplay was tailored for the character. I liked DAI's romance scenes even more... or at least I liked Cullen's, Dorian's, Cassandra's, Iron Bull's, Josephine's, and, to a lesser extent, Blackwall's. Blackwall gets points off because we don't get to see that glorious torso outside the party picker. I wasn't fond of Solas's romance scene because it all happened in the Fade and the disconnect was just too much for me. I haven't tried Sera's romance, but it's on my to-do list. Where there was nudity, I felt it was appropriate and tastefully done. There wasn't any nudity in Josephine's romance scene, but the tenderness of the scene made it wonderful.

 

IDK. I guess they just hit that perfect sweet spot for me between "tame" and "too much".

[Inverse_Twilight]

Am I the only one who liked the romance scenes in DAI? (I know, I know. The answer to any question that begins with "Am I the only one..." will always be "no".)

 

I loved Origins, I really did, but the underwear sex was just too ludicrous for belief. I liked the romance scenes in DA2. They didn't show any depictions of nudity, but that's fine. I liked how each character's foreplay was tailored for the character. I liked DAI's romance scenes even more... or at least I liked Cullen's, Dorian's, Cassandra's, Iron Bull's, Josephine's, and, to a lesser extent, Blackwall's. Blackwall gets points off because we don't get to see that glorious torso outside the party picker. I wasn't fond of Solas's romance scene because it all happened in the Fade and the disconnect was just too much for me. I haven't tried Sera's romance, but it's on my to-do list. Where there was nudity, I felt it was appropriate and tastefully done. There wasn't any nudity in Josephine's romance scene, but the tenderness of the scene made it wonderful.

 

IDK. I guess they just hit that perfect sweet spot for me between "tame" and "too much".

I liked Inquisition's romance scenes too. They were all in character and the romances implied sex without actually showing it. The only nudity was a few butts and some breasts. Nothing graphic was shown and I actually prefer it that way. I thought Sera's romance scene was plenty sexy without showing a full sex scene.

[AlanC9]

I am not saying that in real life, sex has more negative than positive connotations for me, but this is just how it works in entertainment. It's like how every weapon of any kind that is drawn must make a sound to be introduced to the audience, or how you cannot use no filter on the camera in a movie. Some things are just a given, and some can't be, because we are irrefutably conditioned that way. As much as you won't see an ugly protagonist any time soon, you will see no one jumping up in a theatre shouting "this is just a backdrop!".

People will be weirded out if certain expectations established by traditional mechanisms are or are not met. Chances are, both you and me would be, too.

I'm not sure I'd have used "irrefutably" there, myself. This conditioning is real, but it's also contingent, and subject to fairly rapid change. How long ago would, say, Girls have been not just impossible, but unimaginable?

Which says nothing much about what Bio should do this side of DA8, so this isn't really a criticism of your argument.

[KaiserShep]

Am I the only one who liked the romance scenes in DAI? (I know, I know. The answer to any question that begins with "Am I the only one..." will always be "no".)

 

I loved Origins, I really did, but the underwear sex was just too ludicrous for belief. I liked the romance scenes in DA2. They didn't show any depictions of nudity, but that's fine. I liked how each character's foreplay was tailored for the character. I liked DAI's romance scenes even more... or at least I liked Cullen's, Dorian's, Cassandra's, Iron Bull's, Josephine's, and, to a lesser extent, Blackwall's. Blackwall gets points off because we don't get to see that glorious torso outside the party picker. I wasn't fond of Solas's romance scene because it all happened in the Fade and the disconnect was just too much for me. I haven't tried Sera's romance, but it's on my to-do list. Where there was nudity, I felt it was appropriate and tastefully done. There wasn't any nudity in Josephine's romance scene, but the tenderness of the scene made it wonderful.

 

IDK. I guess they just hit that perfect sweet spot for me between "tame" and "too much".

 

Yeah, DA:O's romance scenes are pretty cringe-worthy, with or without the underwear sex. I try to block them out of my mind. I think BioWare refined the whole deal pretty well as the series progressed.

On the bright side, at least none of them are like Ride to Hell Retribution.

[9TailsFox]

Mass Effect do a variable collection of sensuous and "fade out" sex scenes (of course, Liara still get the special treatment than most) but none were really as mildly graphic (or unintentionally hilarious) as DAO's scenes. In subsequent DAs, they're pretty much just hot makeout sessions and fade outs. If they're going for the "mature" rating, the least they could do was not disappoint us who expect an actual mature rating. *hmm hmm*

A Liara writer favourite. But you can't argue her romance end scene was best. Why can't DA copy it. I think it was done amazing. I think even perfect middle ground between fade to black and p0rn. Actually just copy mass effect. DA romance scenes compared to ME is just joke.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A Liara writer favourite. But you can't argue her romance end scene was best. Why can't DA copy it. I think it was done amazing. I think even perfect middle ground between fade to black and p0rn. Actually just copy mass effect. DA romance scenes compared to ME is just joke.

DA is ahead of ME in my opinion. In ME sex was mandatory in a romance, where DA finally has it as either optional or ambiguous for some romances. 

[Inverse_Twilight]

Yeah, DA:O's romance scenes are pretty cringe-worthy, with or without the underwear sex. I try to block them out of my mind. I think BioWare refined the whole deal pretty well as the series progressed.

On the bright side, at least none of them are like Ride to Hell Retribution.

DA:O romance scenes were hilariously awkward. They did a whole lot better in DA 2 and Inquisition. Neither of those games made me want to laugh my ass off.

 

Also, I just googled that Ride to Hell Retribution and I can't believe a game that sh*tty was ever made. The sex scenes are the funniest thing ever!