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[MyKingdomCold]

Excessive profanity is unnecesary. As for blood and gore, it is an "action" game with violence, swords, other weapons, and such.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Something tells me that had ME1 never got the negative "Fox News" attention it did, Bioware would probably have been somewhat like CDPR in terms to how...."explicit" their sex scenes are. However that wasnt the case so with ME3 we got fully clothed sex, ME3 we got underwear sex, and with DAI it is just above ME1.

If you're right, then I never thought I'd say this but thank you Fox News.

Please don't be like CDPR in this respect, Bioware.

 

So if sex is unnecessary why isn't profanity? Why isn't blood and gore?

There have been people asking for less profanity. I certainly liked the days when Bioware games didn't have it. 

As for blood and gore, there are toggles that can turn those things off. 

[KaiserShep]

There have been people asking for less profanity. I certainly liked the days when Bioware games didn't have it. 

 

Really? Well, I'm an eternal fan of one of my favorite lines from the Inquisitor: Well....sh*t. Just the same, it's always funny to me how a thing like profanity should matter when we spend the majority of our time in the game killing people in droves. Like, we're leaving a trail of bodies in our wake, but we gotta mind our language.

 

 

As for blood and gore, there are toggles that can turn those things off.

Yes and no. You can turn off the blood splatter that appears on your character in cut scenes, but you certainly cannot turn off the blood splatter that occurs in gameplay. If your enemy dies from an electric attack, it will explode and leave a puddle.

[Cantina]

There have been people asking for less profanity. I certainly liked the days when Bioware games didn't have it. 

 

 

In those days it was unheard to have profanity in games; much like if you turned on a T.V. show from the 1980s and they bleeped the word "crap" or "damn." 

 

The people seeking less profanity and/or sexual content should not be playing games at all. Oh sure cut that dude's head off, but goodness for bid if we show two people making love and have someone yell "S**t!" 

 

Stories can be fine without having either swearing and/or sex. However they compensate with adding in more violence. Sure Harry Potter was successful, no foul language, no nudity. But hey its OK that a teenager faces off with a dragon and tries to not get eaten.

 

The problem these days is not the sex, profanity or even the violence. The problem is the people who are hypocrites by saying its OK to have one but not the other.

[Sleekshinobi]

In those days it was unheard to have profanity in games; much like if you turned on a T.V. show from the 1980s and they bleeped the word "crap" or "damn." 

 

The people seeking less profanity and/or sexual content should not be playing games at all. Oh sure cut that dude's head off, but goodness for bid if we show two people making love and have someone yell "S**t!" 

 

Stories can be fine without having either swearing and/or sex. However they compensate with adding in more violence. Sure Harry Potter was successful, no foul language, no nudity. But hey its OK that a teenager faces off with a dragon and tries to not get eaten.

 

The problem these days is not the sex, profanity or even the violence. The problem is the people who are hypocrites by saying its OK to have one but not the other.

Well said friend. Well said.

[9TailsFox]

Excessive profanity is unnecesary. As for blood and gore, it is an "action" game with violence, swords, other weapons, and such.  

Well sh.. - Varric Tethras.

[PhroXenGold]

My issue with excessive profanity is not that it offends me, but that it trivialises the profane words. If people are using, say, the f-word, all over the place, then, when you really need to swear, it doesn't have the impact it should.

[Ilwerin]

My issue with excessive profanity is not that it offends me, but that it trivialises the profane words. If people are using, say, the f-word, all over the place, then, when you really need to swear, it doesn't have the impact it should.

True, but we are fortunately talking about DA / ME, not GTA Just few words used +- in the right place. I am fine with that.

[aoibhealfae]

My issue with excessive profanity is not that it offends me, but that it trivialises the profane words. If people are using, say, the f-word, all over the place, then, when you really need to swear, it doesn't have the impact it should.

But thats..... Battlestar Galactica

[MyKingdomCold]

Well sh.. - Varric Tethras.

I said excessive. I wouldn't call the profanity in DAI excessive. Profanity in gangster rap might be though.

[MyKingdomCold]

In those days it was unheard to have profanity in games; much like if you turned on a T.V. show from the 1980s and they bleeped the word "crap" or "damn." 

 

The people seeking less profanity and/or sexual content should not be playing games at all. Oh sure cut that dude's head off, but goodness for bid if we show two people making love and have someone yell "S**t!" 

 

Stories can be fine without having either swearing and/or sex. However they compensate with adding in more violence. Sure Harry Potter was successful, no foul language, no nudity. But hey its OK that a teenager faces off with a dragon and tries to not get eaten.

 

The problem these days is not the sex, profanity or even the violence. The problem is the people who are hypocrites by saying its OK to have one but not the other.

 

Not sure Harry Potter is the best example since the first book starts him at 11, so for most of the series he'd be underaged. (Why do I know that?)  Anyway. maybe I'm weird, but again it has nothing to do with the content (sex) but the medium.  Have no problems watching sex when "real people" are involved but when it comes to watching cartoon people, it's a little odd.

[sangy]

"The supposed adult content".  What do you want?  It's a video game.  The creators are artists, not porn stars.

[Majestic Jazz]

The problem these days is not the sex, profanity or even the violence. The problem is the people who are hypocrites by saying its OK to have one but not the other.

So true and well said.

[In Exile]

My issue with excessive profanity is not that it offends me, but that it trivialises the profane words. If people are using, say, the f-word, all over the place, then, when you really need to swear, it doesn't have the impact it should.

 

Profanity is like anything else. It is representative of different things. A character who swears a lot - based on our social conventions - represents a different kind of lived experience that one who doesn't. A character who switches styles - again, different experience. 

[robertthebard]

So true and well said.

Except it's really not, is it? Nobody's telling you what you can or can't do. They're stating what they want or don't want in their video games. So now people that don't want what you want are hypocrites? Doesn't that also mean that you are a hypocrite, since you may not want what I want in a video game? Logic is hard, yes?

Here's the issue for me: I don't have any kids that live in my home, my daughter is older than most of the people qqing about not enough sex in a video game. So it doesn't matter what's on the screen. However, some of us do have kids at home. Those kids are subject to wander up and want to see what mommy or daddy is doing, and they may not want to expose their kids to that kind of thing. You know if sex and children weren't such a big deal, there wouldn't be laws concerning it, thankfully, as hypocritical as you're going to think me, I'm glad there are laws. You are free to raise your children in any way you see fit, within certain legal boundaries, but you are not free to tell someone else how they should raise their children.

Some people may find strong sexual content offensive. That doesn't make them hypocritical either. I know it's a fun word to throw around, but I don't think it means what you think it does. No where does hypocritical mean that disagreeing with a stated position makes one a hypocrite, unless, of course, they're disagreeing in print, and then acting on it contrary to what they say.

Modifié par robertthebard, 28 mai 2015 - 04:40 .

[In Exile]

There's nothing hypocritical in theory about taking the position that violence is worse morally than sex, in the sense that you could come up with a justified moral theory that makes one worse than the other. The problem arises when people's justification for why one is worse than the other is pure nonsense, which is often the case in North America (because the claim is often empirical, and the weight of the evidence is against it).

Personally I think swearing is different in kind from violence. For one, if a call someone a pustule on the ass of god rather than a watermelon head, the whole difference between the two is social convention. We ascribe worse intent to certain words regardless of the intent behind them. It's also tied up a lot with ideas of class. Violence is quite different because there are arguments about what it means to be "desensitised" to it (though I disagree it's necessarily a bad thing). And social views about children and sex are really wonky (kids according to a bunch of studies are way more in tune with sexuality - in their own way - than adults).

[Ilwerin]

However, some of us do have kids at home. Those kids are subject to wander up and want to see what mommy or daddy is doing, and they may not want to expose their kids to that kind of thing. You know if sex and children weren't such a big deal, there wouldn't be laws concerning it, thankfully, as hypocritical as you're going to think me, I'm glad there are laws. You are free to raise your children in any way you see fit, within certain legal boundaries, but you are not free to tell someone else how they should raise their children.

These parents should never play game "for adults" in front of their children in the first place... That is really weird argument why games should not have sexual content But one more think - cutting someone's throat is OK for children in your eyes? 

[aoibhealfae]

These parents should never play game "for adults" in front of their children in the first place... That is really weird argument why games should not have sexual content But one more think - cutting someone's throat is OK for children in your eyes? 

Banshee, Broodmother and Desire Demon isn't very child-friendly either. I could wear earphones and the kids wouldn't hear bad words but you can't really do anything when scary naked ladies pop up in the screen and some of them have dialogues lines... so.. prolonged boobies.

[Fireheart]

Naked Sera, Cassandra, Dorian, the Inquisitor and whatever other romance scenes are obviously the reason for that.

[AntiChri5]

Profanity is like anything else. It is representative of different things. A character who swears a lot - based on our social conventions - represents a different kind of lived experience that one who doesn't. A character who switches styles - again, different experience. 

I can only think of two times in Inquisition when "the F bomb" get's used, and both of them are Blackwall.

[In Exile]

I can only think of two times in Inquisition when "the F bomb" get's used, and both of them are Blackwall.

It was kind of surreal too since usually it's all Andraste this, Maker that, ancestors this etc.

[Cantina]

I can only think of two times in Inquisition when "the F bomb" get's used, and both of them are Blackwall.

 

I only recall Boringwall saying it once:

 

"To save the f'ing world if pressed."

 

 

Bull uses it more often.

 

Twice in conversations with him and once if you take him with you to The Hissing Wastes.

 

Though the F word does not bother me. I use it pretty much everyday several times a day.

[Cobra's_back]

 

 

The problem these days is not the sex, profanity or even the violence. The problem is the people who are hypocrites by saying its OK to have one but not the other.

 

 

Name calling doesn't work. The designers need to sell this to a large market. Some of us have no interest in Cyber AI performing sex. It is not real. Most of us already have the real thing. 

 

Seriously, this doesn't make any sense. Can't understand why I would need this in a game.

[Cobra's_back]

These parents should never play game "for adults" in front of their children in the first place... That is really weird argument why games should not have sexual content But one more think - cutting someone's throat is OK for children in your eyes? 

 

 

So now you are saying that Bioware needs to put out games that many adult can't play. Many adults have kids. Can they be careful about certain scenes? Yes they can. Are they possible buyers and does Bioware want to cut them out? This market may not be interested in Cyber AIs getting it on. Bioware may still want to sell to them.

 

Your answer is to cut that group out. Less dollars for Bioware. Good thing you don't control their marketing.

[Cobra's_back]

There was sexual content in the game? Uh..where?

 

I see more sexual content on regular T.V. then there was in this game.

 

It's like we can have our characters covered in blood and kill crap, but when it comes to sex people don't want to talk about and/or they see it as evil.

 

I also find it most amusing people get porn and love making confused. Hey if that person is having sex then its porn!

 

 

Or people don't need to see "AIs" getting it on. It really is about what you like or don't like.