It was a nice surprise in Origins to see how one of the stereotypes about dwarves was how sexual they all were.
I guess you'd have to be, if you're not an especially fertile race and you're dealing with darkspawn all the time, in addition to all the normal 'we have lava' accidents.
The age of majority in Orzammar is fourteen. Apparently they... don't waste any time.
Another nugget of information from World of Thedas II? 
SPOILERS AHEAD for all games including JoH:
I would say that nothing is definitive until we get the full story, which to date we have not. At present it seems that there was an elven empire which erupted into civil war. This left some parts destroyed and other communities isolated from one another. One of these was the area known as Arlathan, which may have been the capital of the old empire but now just a regional centre, similar to but probably larger than the Temple of Mythal. They felt threatened by the encroaching humans and tried to keep them away. The humans retaliated and using blood magic, succeeded in defeating the elves.
Subsequent descendants of these elves told the story like the humans had destroyed the entire old civilisation. The Tevinter told the same tale because they also believed they had brought low the great elven empire - a matter of pride to them. Actually they only destroyed a bit. The tale among the elves got mixed up down the years so it was assumed that the humans were responsible for their loss of immortality, when in fact it was a combination of the fact that only certain noble elves probably ever had it and in any case had probably lost it at the time that the Dread Wolf shut away the gods. This is why the Dalish believe one thing, because they are descendants of the elves conquered by Tevinter, whereas Abelas and co believe something different because they have always been untouched. Luckily for them they were so far south the Tevinter Imperium never got as far as them. Bearing in mind how they have responded to intruders down the years, you can see why the ancient Tevinter might have got a bit narky with the elves of Arlathan if they did the same.
However, you cannot say the elves keep bringing about their own destruction. Even Orlesian historians are willing to concede that the conquering of the Dales was as much about Orlesian expansionism as a march of faith. JoH definitely suggests that there were tensions starting to arise between the two nations when Ameridan did his favour for Drakon. I'm not entirely convinced that Drakon failed to go I search of him because of the 2nd Blight since Ameridan recalls that Drakon wanted to keep things simple with regard to faith, unlike Ameridan who believed that the two religions could co-exist. So it was probably convenient that Ameridan wasn't around to voice his opinion on the matter when the Chantry started to press into the Dales. Had Ameridan returned he might also have encouraged his fellow elves to help fight the Blight instead of holding back. Then Drakon's son totally ignored the historical debt that his nation owed not only to Shartan but also to Ameridan. Without their actions Andraste would have been defeated much sooner and a horde of barbarians, led by a dragon god, would have fallen on the fledgling state of Orlais whilst its armies were otherwise engaged. Had the elves been total isolationists down the years, that is exactly what would have happened.
So whatever the elves might have been guilty of during history, mostly by omission, they didn't deserve what they got. Either slavery as a constant supply of magical blood for Tevinter rituals or poverty in alienages or recruited by the Qun or stateless wanderers. I'm rather hoping that at some point the elves are going to be allowed to have a revival in fortunes - at present I'm doing my best with my various elven Inquisitors.
However, you cannot say the elves keep bringing about their own destruction.
Another nugget of information from World of Thedas II?
Another nugget of information from World of Thedas II?
Well it makes sense.
Can't wait until your forty to start courtship
It's mentioned in Origins. During the provings after arriving at Oezammar, one of the contestants challenged his father to a proving at the age of 12 in order to gain the right to fight 2 years early.
DID YOU JUST--
That one's not from WoT2, actually. I don't remember where I read it. I'll try to track it down.
True enough.
But mostly I'm just imaging a bunch of fourteen year olds with a voice in politics and a license to do bodily harm and I'm dying inside. That pretty much explains everything you need to know about Orzammar.
DID YOU JUST--
That one's not from WoT2, actually. I don't remember where I read it. I'll try to track it down.
True enough.
But mostly I'm just imaging a bunch of fourteen year olds with a voice in politics and a license to do bodily harm and I'm dying inside. That pretty much explains everything you need to know about Orzammar.
There's a probably fake but hilarious story in a Roman book about a young Caligula running around with a gang of other bored noble teenagers mugging people and occasionally killing them. One day they tried to accost an elderly, dignified Senator who promptly beat young Caligula over the head with his cane and sent them all running.
I imagine the head of the family would remain in charge, but they would gradually start picking up more and more responsibilities. Going off the Roman influence the dwarves seem to have, the patriarch probably has a good deal of sway over even his fully adult children.
But fourteen year old dwarves with wispy beards challenging each other to actual duels, and the Provings announcer taking it seriously...
I imagine that the family head is still running the show.
Regardless of if the dwarf in question is a adult or no.
There's a probably fake but hilarious story in a Roman book about a young Caligula running around with a gang of other bored noble teenagers mugging people and occasionally killing them. One day they tried to accost an elderly, dignified Senator who promptly beat young Caligula over the head with his cane and sent them all running.
I imagine the head of the family would remain in charge, but they would gradually start picking up more and more responsibilities. Going off the Roman influence the dwarves seem to have, the patriarch probably has a good deal of sway over even his fully adult children.
But fourteen year old dwarves with wispy beards challenging each other to actual duels, and the Provings announcer taking it seriously...
Assuming that the head of the family still has a head, of course.
I disagree that the elves didn't deserve all that happened, they certainly had the Dales war coming with their behaviour towards their neighbours
Nobody deserves ethnic cleansing.
Nobody deserves ethnic cleansing.
It wasn't ethnic cleansing, it was a weakened Orlais fighting for its life against extreme elven aggression, id say the Chantry stopped the elves who surrendered in the end from getting exterminated tbh
Except the elves.Nobody deserves ethnic cleansing.
It's the largest act of charity in Thedosian history.
It wasn't ethnic cleansing, it was a weakened Orlais fighting for its life against extreme elven aggression, id say the Chantry stopped the elves who surrendered in the end from getting exterminated tbh
Of course it was ethnic cleansing. The elves were scattered from their home and their nation completely dismantled and repopulated by humans. We know the start of the war wasn't just extreme elven aggression now because both sides were at fault at Red Crossing, but even if it was just Orlais fighting for it's life against elven aggression, that's not mutually exclusive with ethnic cleansing.
There is no evidence to suggest the Chantry prevented the elves from being exterminated anymore than there is to suggest there is to suggest the Chantry made the subjugation and deportation of the elves worse. That's just you speculating.
Lol both sides were at fault? Why defending your home against foreign armed invaders is bad?Of course it was ethnic cleansing. The elves were scattered from their home and their nation completely dismantled and repopulated by humans. We know the start of the war wasn't just extreme elven aggression now because both sides were at fault at Red Crossing, but even if it was just Orlais fighting for it's life against elven aggression, that's not mutually exclusive with ethnic cleansing.
There is no evidence to suggest the Chantry prevented the elves from being exterminated anymore than there is to suggest there is to suggest the Chantry made the subjugation and deportation of the elves worse. That's just you speculating.
At first, Orlais was merely defending itself. Then, it became ethnic cleansing.
But let us not fool ourselves, the elves would have done worse. They wouldn't even offer Alienages because of their belief in the quickening.
He said both sides were at fault at Red Crossing, cant see why.At first, Orlais was merely defending itself. Then, it became ethnic cleansing.
But let us not fool ourselves, the elves would have done worse. They wouldn't even offer Alienages because of their belief in the quickening.
He said both sides were at fault at Red Crossing, cant see why.
It wasn't both sides at fault, the elves invaded Orlais's territory & murdered its civilians, which caused the war
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