807 réponses à ce sujet

[Master Warder Z_]

Does it matter?

It could be half a percent of their population and still be 40,000 people.

So yes when it comes to Orlais, the largest empire in humanity it matters.

[dragonflight288]

It could be half a percent of their population and still be 40,000 people.

So yes when it comes to Orlais, the largest empire in humanity it matters.

You mean Tevinter as the largest human empire, right.

[Boost32]

You mean Tevinter as the largest human empire, right.

The largest human empire is Orlais, Tevinter had the largest empire in Thedas history, but at the time of the third Blight, it wasnt anymore.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean Tevinter as the largest human empire, right.

No.

I was referring to a event centuries since the first blight and the fall of the Imperium as a world dominating power.

[dragonflight288]

The largest human empire is Orlais, Tevinter had the largest empire in Thedas history, but at the time of the third Blight, it wasnt anymore.

I know. Just messing with Warder. He can make good points, but he also role plays and when he does I can't tell if he's deliberately being obstinant in dismissing in-game and book evidence that disagrees with him or if he truly is serious about it.

The people of Red Crossing and, at the very least the local Chantry, are the ones who drew first blood and killed the first person, that elf who wandered close to the paths and was the sister of the Emersld Knight who killed the human woman.

[Boost32]

I know. Just messing with Warder. He can make good points, but he also role plays and when he does I can't tell if he's deliberately being obstinant in dismissing in-game and book evidence that disagrees with him or if he truly is serious about it.
The people of Red Crossing and, at the very least the local Chantry, are the ones who drew first blood and killed the first person, that elf who wandered close to the paths and was the sister of the Emersld Knight who killed the human woman.

Again, there is no proof. No one really witnessed it.
And her death played no part in the events at Red Crossing.

[dragonflight288]

Again, there is no proof. No one really witnessed it.
And her death played no part in the events at Red Crossing.

I think it does. She is the sister of the elf who killed the human woman in the misunderstanding, and I did not get the impression there was a long period of time between the events.

Add in the racial tension, the chantry blaming a disappearance of a human on eleven blood sacrifices (without proof) and long-standing animosity and you have a kettle boiling over.

Red Crossing did not happen in a vacuum, and every thing culminated and built up. The skirmish was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

[Boost32]

It didn't happened in a vacuum, both sides are responsible for the tensions, but Red Crossing is one sided, the elves attacked innocents civillians when they invaded Orlais.

[Steelcan]

really you'd think the elves would learn from their mistakes instead of seeing humans and suddenly https://youtu.be/hooKVstzbz0?t=84

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Thats their assumptions, the rest of the codex is a relat of what happened at Red Crossing, the writer was there and saw what happened.

Yes they invaded, when a foreign military group goes to another country without any kind of permission its called a invasion. If I go through another country by illegals mean and I see a native who may or not attack me, I have no right to kill him until he becomes a threath. And the girl was alone, there was no way she would pose a danger against a elite group.

Because roads doesnt construct themselves over the night, when you invade another country with a army, you dont go through the forest.

 

You're just assuming that is their assumption. The codex does not imply that it was or that they didn't have all the information. All it says is that is what happened. You're just doubting the humans struck first because then the elves are purely the aggressors.

 

"Invasion" implies they were meaning to attack Red Crossing. They weren't. They weren't even there to raid it. They didn't come for any humans. They were there for one of their own. The codex says that Adalene only saw Siona and ran screaming at her. The elves weren't there to fight. Self defense is self defense on either side of the border.

 

Do you know where Red Crossing is on a map? Or are you just assuming a tiny backwater village must be on the Imperial Highway AND the elves must have gone through it.

 

Red Crossing still exists, you know. If the elves wiped out a tiny village, why would the Orlesians have bothered to rebuild it. Also in the Mourning Halla mission on the War Table, the Dalish Keeper from the Exalted Plains wants to offer a gesture of goodwill as a sign of remorse for his peoples' actions that night. But he doesn't mention the elves doing anything worse to the village.

[dragonflight288]

It didn't happened in a vacuum, both sides are responsible for the tensions, but Red Crossing is one sided, the elves attacked innocents civillians when they invaded Orlais.

That statement contradicts the eyewitness account. The only recorded eyewitness account.

A skirmish broke out over a misunderstanding that the humans lost to a small group of Emerald Knights, where innocents on both sides died, and tempers flared on both sides.

It wasn't an invasion, and of the two sides, it's the Chantry who have the strongest history of altering history for political reasons (Dissonant Verses) whereas the elves are guilty of misremembering scraps of scraps of information, information purposefully destroyed by both Tevinter and the Chantry.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Again, there is no proof. No one really witnessed it.
And her death played no part in the events at Red Crossing.

 

How do you know there was no proof?

[Steelcan]

That statement contradicts the eyewitness account. The only recorded eyewitness account.

A skirmish broke out over a misunderstanding that the humans lost to a small group of Emerald Knights, where innocents on both sides died, and tempers flared on both sides.

It wasn't an invasion, and of the two sides, it's the Chantry who have the strongest history of altering history for political reasons (Dissonant Verses) whereas the elves are guilty of misremembering scraps of scraps of information, information purposefully destroyed by both Tevinter and the Chantry.

well it was very shortly after

[Master Warder Z_]

well it was very shortly after

Indeed.

[dragonflight288]

well it was very shortly after

True, but it's important not to mischaracterize Red Crossing as something it's not based on the information we have.

[Vit246]

well it was very shortly after

 

Well, after the Red Crossing snafu, they were probably thinking about how the imperialistic Orlesians would now use it as a perfect pretext for war and rally the whole nation for war. And no amount of diplomatic overtures from a heathen race would dissuade them. And no elves want the Orlesians to be overrunning their country, so they might as well commit themselves all the way and hope they can break the Orlesians first before the Orlesian war machine fully awakens.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ha!

[Drasanil]

Well, after the Red Crossing snafu, they were probably thinking about how the imperialistic Orlesians would now use it as a perfect pretext for war and rally the whole nation for war. And no amount of diplomatic overtures from a heathen race would dissuade them. And no elves want the Orlesians to be overrunning their country, so they might as well commit themselves all the way and hope they can break the Orlesians first before the Orlesian war machine fully awakens.

 

Genuinely confused; is poster disingenuous? There is a fairly good rational self-interest case for the Dales not wanting to help an expansionist Orlais fight off the second blight. However, when it comes to a few Emerald Knights going off reserve the sensible course of action would have been to hand them over to the Orlesians if the Dales wanted to avoid war. Or at least, get the moral high ground if war was inevitable.  

 

Ha!

 

Weeaboo!

[Master Warder Z_]

Weeaboo!

didn't your mother tell you name calling was rude when you were like five?

Honestly how **** like this gets ignored and yet I get called out for defending as my opinion as "flaming" I'll never understand.

Still at least it has the added benefit of being a ridiculously pointless and inaccurate label.

[Drasanil]

didn't your mother tell you name calling was rude when you were like five?

Honestly how **** like this gets ignored and yet I get called out for defending as my opinion as "flaming" I'll never understand.

Still at least it has the added benefit of being a ridiculously pointless and inaccurate label.

 

It is accurate, only you seem oblivious to it. You were already schooled on that matter in the Tevinter support thread, that your memory is faulty is not my concern. 

 

I would sooner give praise to NextArishok and his talking Qun-Cows, all one of him (sorry Ari, but you are still a lonely lonely Qunari last I checked  ), for at least he is not of the Weeaboo. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It is accurate

What you delude yourself as accurate about anything isn't my concern. If you want a conversation that actually is my concern, maybe don't start off with a personal attack.

Beyond that; when you get past insults maybe you'll be worth talking to.

[Drasanil]

What you delude yourself as accurate about anything isn't my concern. If you want a conversation that actually is my concern, maybe don't start off with a personal attack.

Beyond that; when you get past insults maybe you'll be worth talking to.

 

It's not an attack, its a statement of fact. You have Anime avatar, you have an anime signature and your world-view is apparently shaped by an  or at least it appeared to be so given your predilection for quoting and/or posting clips of the stuff.

 

**Mod edit** 

[Master Warder Z_]

Conversation done.

I've told your attack was unwarranted and also in bad taste and you preceded to insult me again. And apparently thought voicing some opinion of yours as some testament of character would upset me.

Boyo: You don't know me.

Take the last word as it pleases you.

[Drasanil]

Boyo: You don't know me.

 

Take the last word as it pleases you.

 

Ok.

[Shadow Fox]

And I see another elf thread is already on it's way to lockdown.

 

Also Warder aint a weeb.