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[nightscrawl]

How about good old marriage proposal to a girl from a guy, and sex(even if it's fade-to-black) on the wedding night, in a room with a bed, and nobody leaves afterwards? A novel idea, I know, but I'd like to see it.

Well, there's no proposal, but you do get a room and a bed with Dorian and he doesn't leave afterward if you actually want a relationship. I actually thought that the relationship progression with him was pretty normal. You flirt, grow closer over time, have some intimate moments and talk about growing closer, then there is the sex (optional) and a talk about how much further it will go.

 

To digress a bit... the only other romance I've done is Cullen's. While it is a nice romance on its own merits, I think there is really something to be said for the follower romances over the advisor ones, even if they get a similar amount of content. Traveling and camping for weeks at a time with a certain group of people does lend itself to a certain closeness and familiarity that I just don't really feel with the advisors.

[Robert Trevelyan]

I only have 2 complaints over the current system:

 

1) We lost the Rivalmance option from DA2. Even though I'm sure there was pre-publicity stating this *was* to be an option in Inquisition.

 

2) After you begin the romance, in most cases do the deed, that's pretty much... it. Seriously. You can smooch any time you want, but beyond this there is a distinct lack of romance specific dialogue or banter.

 

In my first playthrough I romanced Cassandra with my Male Trevelyan. I began the the Romance a good ten hours before playing the endgame. I got no party banter referring to it, no conversation about it, nothing. If I wandered up to CAssabdra in the courtyard we could have the same conversation again, and smooch in the Blacksmiths. But that was pretty much it.

 

An extra conversation fork when discussing her being put forward for Divine. But nothing more.

 

If you are romancing a character you kind of expect other companions to mention this. To acknowledge this. You want options in conversations. You want to hear occasional flirting. Just small semi-regular comments which build up the illusion of there being a relationship here.

 

I didn't get those. And some of that may have been down to the Banter Bug early on, but it just didn't work for me.

[nightscrawl]

We lost the Rivalmance option from DA2. Even though I'm sure there was pre-publicity stating this *was* to be an option in Inquisition.

Nope, it was known before release that the DAI approval system was, in fact, different and also a tad closer to DAO-style.

 

After you begin the romance, in most cases do the deed, that's pretty much... it. Seriously. You can smooch any time you want, but beyond this there is a distinct lack of romance specific dialogue or banter.
 
In my first playthrough I romanced Cassandra with my Male Trevelyan. I began the the Romance a good ten hours before playing the endgame. I got no party banter referring to it, no conversation about it, nothing. If I wandered up to CAssabdra in the courtyard we could have the same conversation again, and smooch in the Blacksmiths. But that was pretty much it.
 
An extra conversation fork when discussing her being put forward for Divine. But nothing more.
 
If you are romancing a character you kind of expect other companions to mention this. To acknowledge this. You want options in conversations. You want to hear occasional flirting. Just small semi-regular comments which build up the illusion of there being a relationship here.

I didn't get those. And some of that may have been down to the Banter Bug early on, but it just didn't work for me.

Well there are party banters commenting on the romances, but if you happen to be one of those who had banter problems I can see why not hearing them might have been frustrating.

I think it depends on the individual romance. I was quite satisfied with the various lines Dorian got, including romance-specific lines after each major mission. I also didn't really feel that DAI differed greatly from either DAO or DA2 in this regard. It seems to me that all three games have a similar amount of reactivity from the LI as well as other followers regarding the romance.

[Yumakooma]

I don't really feel it was at the forefront or a large part. I had no interest in romancing any companions so I didn't and it was easy to escape from it.

 

Bioware knows a lot of people play for romance even more than the story. Equally as many don't care about romance though. So they have the balance about right... an obvious and clear part of the game but easy enough to avoid

[TevinterSupremacist]

The way romances are handled now feels like a half-measure.

Either recognise and accept you want them to be an extra side content just to add more entertainment and have the development of the romance be based on trivial things, like one or two dialogue choices and tons of gifts, so players can romance whoever they want -playersexual characters aren't necessary but help that- and move on.

Or, if you want romances to be a big deal and have impact, have them have genuine impact. Don't let affection be based only on general like-mindness or completion non-romance related side-quests , have genuine flirt arcs. Have characters be interested in you on their own and act on it, have characters be interested in each other, let that lead to drama with even characters even potentially leaving the group to deal with their issues (for some time or even forever). Have different "turns" in the story  depending on the romance and not just a few lines or cutscenes about whom you ended up with.

 

Both routes are absolutely fine, imo, but I find the middle ground beyond meh.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I wasn't all that personally satisfied with the options (and the absentees) this time around, but I am mostly fine with the system.

[Kakistos_]

I only have 2 complaints over the current system:

 

1) We lost the Rivalmance option from DA2. Even though I'm sure there was pre-publicity stating this *was* to be an option in Inquisition.

 

2) After you begin the romance, in most cases do the deed, that's pretty much... it. Seriously. You can smooch any time you want, but beyond this there is a distinct lack of romance specific dialogue or banter.

 

In my first playthrough I romanced Cassandra with my Male Trevelyan. I began the the Romance a good ten hours before playing the endgame. I got no party banter referring to it, no conversation about it, nothing. If I wandered up to CAssabdra in the courtyard we could have the same conversation again, and smooch in the Blacksmiths. But that was pretty much it.

 

An extra conversation fork when discussing her being put forward for Divine. But nothing more.

 

If you are romancing a character you kind of expect other companions to mention this. To acknowledge this. You want options in conversations. You want to hear occasional flirting. Just small semi-regular comments which build up the illusion of there being a relationship here.

 

I didn't get those. And some of that may have been down to the Banter Bug early on, but it just didn't work for me.

I agree. The lack of romance specific banter and dialog is very noticable after DA:O and DA2. The time between major events was just a huge void. There is some romance banterbut not nearly as much as there was in Origins and it's rarity is exaccerbated by the bug.

 

Well there are party banters commenting on the romances, but if you happen to be one of those who had banter problems I can see why not hearing them might have been frustrating.

I think it depends on the individual romance. I was quite satisfied with the various lines Dorian got, including romance-specific lines after each major mission. I also didn't really feel that DAI differed greatly from either DAO or DA2 in this regard. It seems to me that all three games have a similar amount of reactivity from the LI as well as other followers regarding the romance.

Oh, I greatly disagree. Romances in DA:O were by far richer and more dynamic. Back when you could actually click on your companions for dialog(BRING THIS BACK!!!!!!) your romance would have a different set of responces corresponding with how much they approved or dissaproved. There was far more banter and there were romance specific conversations with other companions regarding your relationship. And when you tried to cheat you would get more than "Aren't you with someone" There were cutscences, arguments and ultimatums, it was overall more present, organic and added layers not only to the romance in question but to everyone around them.

[Malleficae]

I kinda hope that romance wasn't just picking dialogue option with heart next to it. Like you need to have proper views and you treat someone with respect and then that person initiates relationship. Flirt is fine but I sense lack of reaction. That's not only romance problem to whole game. Dialogue is black and white and you just hope to hit right thing to see approval rising when it should be about what you say in general. I bet they will fix it in future games to make it more natural.

[BloodKaiden]

The system is fine the way it is. Romance is optional that way if its not your thing you don't have to pursue it. I have no problem with the heart icon I just think there should be multiple ones. More options/paths to take in the romance/friendships. The only thing they need to add to it is more dialogue options, more depth, and more personal quests for both the Inquisitor/LI. DA2 had its flaws but I loved the fact that it was a more personal story giving companions more reactions when it comes to their family, background, and overall friendships. There needs to be a return of the Origin stories and possibly a sister/brother/cousin companion for whatever race you go.

[KaiserShep]

I rather liked this system, and think it's the best version in the series so far. In Origins, I felt like you had to be a bit of a sycophant to progress, with bribes gifts to pick up the slack, especially with a character like Morrigan. DA2 did the right thing by casting away the gift spam system and instead pared it down to nothing but gifts that made for meaningful conversation, and even some interesting backstory in one case (Fenris' Blade of Mercy), but I'm just not sold on DA2's rivalmance. Rivalry-based romance is interesting, but I feel like it's something that should vary, in the sense that only some companions can engage in it, while others would be unreceptive to a rival PC, based on their personalities.

 

Like anything, there's always room for improvement, especially when it comes to the friendship path. Dorian, for example, has one of my favorite friendship paths in the game. I enjoyed that he and my F!quisitor can playfully flirt and have meaningful dialogue. Sera's a close second, despite being my favorite LI option in the game, with Cassandra and Cullen right behind them. The rest can feel a bit shallow, because once their respective quests end, there's little else going on.

[Broganisity]

1) DA2 did the right thing by casting away the gift spam system and instead pared it down to nothing but gifts that made for meaningful conversation, and even some interesting backstory in one case (Fenris' Blade of Mercy), but I'm just not sold on DA2's rivalmance. Rivalry-based romance is interesting, but I feel like it's something that should vary, in the sense that only some companions can engage in it, while others would be unreceptive to a rival PC, based on their personalities.

 

2) Like anything, there's always room for improvement, especially when it comes to the friendship path. Dorian, for example, has one of my favorite friendship paths in the game. I enjoyed that he and my F!quisitor can playfully flirt and have meaningful dialogue. Sera's a close second, despite being my favorite LI option in the game, with Cassandra and Cullen right behind them. The rest can feel a bit shallow, because once their respective quests end, there's little else going on.

1) This. Barring Sten's sword and maybe the mirror you can give Morrigan, the gift giving in Origins felt useless at its worst and, generally speaking, not too major when it came to the more 'notable' gifts. Didn't play DA2 but I like the concept of some NPCs not having nothing to do with you in regards to 'Rivalmancing'. Really, it's all about romantic variety that I wanna see, not sexual variety.

2) THIS. Dorian and my M!Quizno were total bros the way I thought you could be with Iron Bull. You cannot. Sera's 'Cookies on the Roof' was a treat (har har) too, as I didn't actually thinks she considered my Goodie Two-Shoes White Knight Quizzie to be her friend. . .but for everyone else, there wasn't really much of a friendship going on around there besides from your seemingly forced bro Varric. (I killed Hawke just to make you sad Varric, stop thinking of me as a friend! D: )

[In Exile]

The rivalmance was conceptually interesting but IMO disturbing in practice. The relationship dynamics - aside from Hawke and Isabella, which amount to be a bit less selfish why-don'tcha - was really unhealthy. 

[KaiserShep]

The rivalmance was conceptually interesting but IMO disturbing in practice. The relationship dynamics - aside from Hawke and Isabella, which amount to be a bit less selfish why-don'tcha - was really unhealthy. 

I didn't really like it, and I think your example is why I think rivalmance should not have been an even spread. Some companions shouldn't respond in such a way that romance is possible in the rivalry dynamic.

[In Exile]

I didn't really like it, and I think your example is why I think rivalmance should not have been an even spread. Some companions shouldn't respond in such a way that romance is possible in the rivalry dynamic.

Anders and Fenris, IMO, were openly abusive relationships where one (or two!) of the partners were really angry, volatile people. Merrill's felt a bit too controlling, IMO, but I don't think it had the issues a lot of others do. 

[Malthier]

It should all be sexier

[Geth Supremacy]

It should all be sexier

 

This post + that avatar says "Bill Clinton" to me.  Idk if thats going to work out in our favor.

[Malthier]

This post + that avatar says "Bill Clinton" to me.  Idk if thats going to work out in our favor.

 

I crusade on behalf of the sexy community. It is their favor that interests me

 

Its a tireless task and yet someone must do it 

[Broganisity]

I crusade on behalf of the sexy community. It is their favor that interests me

 

Its a tireless task and yet someone must do it 

 

Sexy Iron Bull x Dorian x M!Quizno Pillow Fight Cutscene DLC. Make it happen because the mental image both amuses and mortifies me.

[TobyJake]

When they removed the opportunity to talk to your companions at any time romance became a quest. Get 5 roses, affinity goes up!!!

I love that you could chat to Leliana where ever you were. That vanished in DA2. No talk, 2 gifts, bed and that's it? It was impossible to talk to Isabela out side of the prescribed times.

If I romance Cassandra I want to have a closeness expressed throughout the game afterwards. Otherwise its just an achievement, nothing more. I gathered 50 Elfroot can I have a medal?

[Broganisity]

1) When they removed the opportunity to talk to your companions at any time romance became a quest. Get 5 roses, affinity goes up!!! I love that you could chat to Leliana where ever you were. That vanished in DA2. No talk, 2 gifts, bed and that's it?

 

2) If I romance Cassandra I want to have a closeness expressed throughout the game afterwards. Otherwise its just an achievement, nothing more. I gathered 50 Elfroot can I have a medal?

 

1) That urked me as well, even though having a casual chat in the middle of the Deep Roads, covered in Darkspawn blood, and then horrifying Alistair as you start making out with Morrigan was- not fitting but hilarious.

 

2) You actually gathered elfroot? I never even learned how to get other potions! I just spammed guard gain! ;_;

[Kulyok]

But what I really really want is a proper bad guy/girl romance. Not someone with a soft centre and/or a tormented past, but someone genuinely only out for themselves who decides they like the PC enough to include them in their plans. I think it would be fun 
It wouldn't have worked in Inquisition really but in a more personal story I think it could

 

THAT is a really great idea. I would love that. Now there's an idea for a BG2 mod... never mind. Just no sappiness and no redemption path and no "he's really got a heart of gold". Bad means bad.

 

I wonder why there's never been an evil romance. Sure, there's a jerk romance with Jacob, and Zevran isn't a good guy by any standards, and Anders is a tortured soul, but we've never had a "Damon Salvatore before he became a savior" romance. Where are those dashing and selfish Tevinter magisters, noble-born traitorous sellswords and exiled Evil overlords? I'd take one. (and no "no sex before marriage" here, I'm dragging him straight to the nearest bed).

[vertigomez]

Anders and Fenris, IMO, were openly abusive relationships where one (or two!) of the partners were really angry, volatile people. Merrill's felt a bit too controlling, IMO, but I don't think it had the issues a lot of others do.

Huh. I loved Fenris's rivalmance. Then again, I did it with a snarky, "good guy" mage Hawke, so I got the feeling that it was more... Hawke being unapologetically himself and Fenris feeling really twisted up and not knowing how to deal with that. It seemed like Hawke learned to be more patient and sensitive and Fenris learned to let go of some of that hatred.

I won't comment on Anders, though. I only ever saw bits and pieces on youtube.

[In Exile]

Huh. I loved Fenris's rivalmance. Then again, I did it with a snarky, "good guy" mage Hawke, so I got the feeling that it was more... Hawke being unapologetically himself and Fenris feeling really twisted up and not knowing how to deal with that. It seemed like Hawke learned to be more patient and sensitive and Fenris learned to let go of some of that hatred.

I won't comment on Anders, though. I only ever saw bits and pieces on youtube.

I really liked Fenris. I just felt like the relationship was really volatile and not in a good way - even with pure snark - especially given that Fenris is a (sexual) abuse victim. On the Rival path I mean.

[Lady Artifice]

But what I really really want is a proper bad guy/girl romance. Not someone with a soft centre and/or a tormented past, but someone genuinely only out for themselves who decides they like the PC enough to include them in their plans. I think it would be fun
It wouldn't have worked in Inquisition really but in a more personal story I think it could

 

I am so in favor of this. 

 

He should be a Tevinter.

[Sifr]

But what I really really want is a proper bad guy/girl romance. Not someone with a soft centre and/or a tormented past, but someone genuinely only out for themselves who decides they like the PC enough to include them in their plans. I think it would be fun
It wouldn't have worked in Inquisition really but in a more personal story I think it could

 

I dunno, I think we already had this romance...

 

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