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[OrayMoor]

Hi guys,

 

Does any body know, if The Dawn will Come song has an actual in game lore significance?

 

Thanks in advance!

[Master Warder Z_]

I'd assume it's the Chantry equivalent to a hymn

[Caddius]

Yeah, a Chantry hymn. One of those songs everyone probably grew up hearing, judging by how they all know the words. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It's certainly something that crosses several borders.

[Andromelek]

Usually the things which are related to the future games are said by a single person, and often that person is weird, like Sandal.

[OrayMoor]

Thank you guys!

[Monica21]

Yeah, a Chantry hymn. One of those songs everyone probably grew up hearing, judging by how they all know the words. 

 

I'm curious why everyone thinks it's a Chantry hymn. It has absolutely no religious overtones or mentions of the Maker, Andraste, the Golden City, nothing. To me it's more like everyone knowing the words to Somewhere Over the Rainbow. The only context is that the song is begun by a Chantry Sister, but that doesn't make it religious.

[Gilli]

I wished this song was in the Soundtrack, it's beautiful   and I'd like to listen more to it, than only once in a PT. 

[Sunnie]

I wished this song was in the Soundtrack, it's beautiful   and I'd like to listen more to it, than only once in a PT. 

It is, track 11.

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm curious why everyone thinks it's a Chantry hymn.

It's known by at least four different nationalities from Tevinter, Nevarran, Fereldan to Orlesian.

The Chantry is really the only human institution to stretch that far into the culture.

[Gilli]

It is, track 11.

 

 

..now I feel stupid

 

[Sunnie]

 

..now I feel stupid

 

Awww, dont.. here you go!

 

[Monica21]

It's known by at least four different nationalities from Tevinter, Nevarran, Fereldan to Orlesian.

The Chantry is really the only human institution to stretch that far into the culture.

 

And Europeans know Over the Rainbow. I'm just saying there's nothing identifiably religious, or even specifically Chantry-like, about that particular song.

[Gilli]

Awww, dont.. here you go!

 

 

Thank you

 

[In Exile]

And Europeans know Over the Rainbow. I'm just saying there's nothing identifiably religious, or even specifically Chantry-like, about that particular song.

It's really notable the song is started by a religious figure (Giselle), the first to sing along is a devout Andrastian (Leliana, followed by Cullen) and it's all done at a moment where people recognise the perceived divinity of the (soon to be) Inquisitor in the context of Giselle making a point about faith.

[Monica21]

It's really notable the song is started by a religious figure (Giselle), the first to sing along is a devout Andrastian (Leliana, followed by Cullen) and it's all done at a moment where people recognise the perceived divinity of the (soon to be) Inquisitor in the context of Giselle making a point about faith.

 

I'm not disputing any of that. I'm saying that there's nothing identifiably religious about the song. There is no mention of a higher power or a church or anything. That's not typically the way hymns work. I'm not saying it wasn't spread because of the spread of the Chantry, I'm saying that there's nothing about the song that makes it religious.

[OrayMoor]

Speaking of mother Giselle,

 

Assuming that Dragon Age Inquisition follows the hero's journey, can mother Giselle be considered as the Mentor figure?

[X Equestris]

And Europeans know Over the Rainbow. I'm just saying there's nothing identifiably religious, or even specifically Chantry-like, about that particular song.

Yeah, but how many secular songs would medieval Europeans from all over the continent have known?

[Nehn]

Speaking of mother Giselle,
 
Assuming that Dragon Age Inquisition follows the hero's journey, can mother Giselle be considered as the Mentor figure?

She doesn't feel like much of a mentor if your Inquisitor isn't Andrastian. But her words are still thought provoking.

[OrayMoor]

She doesn't feel like much of a mentor if your Inquisitor isn't Andrastian. But her words are still thought provoking.

 

She is also the target of the first story mission (after they establish the inquisition) and she sends you to the capital of Orlais. She start singing the dawn will come when everybody is demoralized. In skyhole she gives you information about the state of the refugees around Thadas. 

 

Solas can be the mentor too, because he teaches the inquisitor how to use the mark, and he brings the inquisition to skyhold...

[YourFunnyUncle]

It's known by at least four different nationalities from Tevinter, Nevarran, Fereldan to Orlesian.

The Chantry is really the only human institution to stretch that far into the culture.

Except the song is in English/the common tongue which is an international language of trade according to DA lore. You don't need a religious institution to spread a song internationally when you have commerce and shared language.

[Master Warder Z_]

[quote name="Monica21" post="19157601" timestamp="[/1432136372"]

I'm just saying there's nothing identifiably religious, or even specifically Chantry-like, about that particular song.[/quote

I'm aware.

But it's the notable institution.

[Master Warder Z_]

Except the song is in English/the common tongue which is an international language of trade according to DA lore.

Josephine summed it up aptly.

All nations are culturally diverse, obviously that would include hymns.

The Chantry is the obvious source and the one thing any of those nationalities have in common.

[Korva]

Sadly, the soundtrack version of it isn't the same as in the game.

 

But yes, there's nothing religious to it, and Mother Giselle gets props from me for that, because this way the message of hope and coming together in a moment of dire need doesn't shut anyone out -- though the context does give it some religious overtones.

 

I do wish she was given more of a "mentor" role, she kind of drops off the map once we reach Skyhold.