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[TheRevanchist]

Title says it, I just now found out about the survey leak, and came here to investigate to see ppl talking about something called Ark Theory and see how, like always, BSN is arguing about how dumb/awesome said theory is. I knew literally nothing about this game besides the initial concept art reveal with the Mako and such. I've apparently missed a lot here. Could the community please help me out? 

[Sweawm]

Apparently to escape having to make lots of canon from the ME Trilogy, they write themselves out of the corner by moving the setting to another galaxy. For some unknown reason, the species from the Milky Way have traveled here by some means to colonize. Ark Theory is tossed up between pre and post ME3, saying that maybe an 'Ark' was launched during the Reaper invasion in case all else failed, whereas post ME3 perhaps the Ark was launched when a new crisis appeared.

 

People think it's stupid because a move to a new galaxy is an ASTRONOMICAL effort when only 0.01 of the Milky Way has been charted. Others think it's good because it allows a new beginning without having to make lots of canon for previous ME games. 

 

I personally theorized the Dark Energy plot making a return (wiping out stars in the Milky Way) forcing the Exodus to a new galaxy, but that's been shot down a few times. 

[TheRevanchist]

Ah, a Noah's Ark kind of Ark. I see....

 

I cannot possibly imagine what would causes these races to abandon a Galaxy they've barely explored at all, if even The Reaper's themselves didn't manage that. Aside from of course the Dark Energy thing, but at this point that would seem like a slap in the face to bring that back, imo. 

[Sweawm]

Ah, a Noah's Ark kind of Ark. I see....

 

I cannot possibly imagine what would causes these races to abandon a Galaxy they've barely explored at all, if even The Reaper's themselves didn't manage that. Aside from of course the Dark Energy thing, but at this point that would seem like a slap in the face to bring that back, imo. 

 

Slap or not, it's probably the only decently foreshadowed justification for why one would have to leave the entire galaxy. 

[Tonymac]

It boils down to three things:  

 

A)  Bad Writing

 Bad Writing

C)  Bad Writing

[TheRevanchist]

It boils down to three things:  

 

A)  Bad Writing

 Bad Writing

C)  Bad Writing

 

sigh...I know...so bad in fact that even if I was the Lead Writer, taking over from this point on I would have no idea what to do about it. There is no consistent or logical answer to the problems that were created.

[Heimdall]

Ah, a Noah's Ark kind of Ark. I see....
 
I cannot possibly imagine what would causes these races to abandon a Galaxy they've barely explored at all, if even The Reaper's themselves didn't manage that. Aside from of course the Dark Energy thing, but at this point that would seem like a slap in the face to bring that back, imo.

Well, the idea behind Ark Theory is that the Reapers themselves did manage to spur this effort and a covert Ark project has been underway behind the scenes throughout the trilogy. That way the colonists wouldn't be affected by the endings. If it comes after the trilogy, you're right, it becomes a question of why.

[Tonymac]

Well, the idea behind Ark Theory is that the Reapers themselves did manage to spur this effort and a covert Ark project has been underway behind the scenes throughout the trilogy. That way the colonists wouldn't be affected by the endings. If it comes after the trilogy, you're right, it becomes a question of why.

 

It is interesting to wonder about how they are going to pick this up and run with it.  I think that is why the leak was posted, honestly.  BioWare wants to see fan reactions, and let us do some of their work for them with all of this speculation.  

[Shechinah]

It is interesting to wonder about how they are going to pick this up and run with it.  I think that is why the leak was posted, honestly.  BioWare wants to see fan reactions, and let us do some of their work for them with all of this speculation.  

 

I've actually considered that a possibility myself; it'll be a way to test waters and see what kind of opinions people have towards it while avoiding the usual fallout from sharing game concept and possibilities. Of course, this is just one theory.  
 

[Sion1138]

I've actually considered that a possibility myself; it'll be a way to test waters and see what kind of opinions people have towards it while avoiding the usual fallout from sharing game concept and possibilities. Of course, this is just one theory.  
 

 

Why would they put so much info in a survey otherwise?

 

I mean, it has happened before. Why would they make the same mistake twice in a row?

[Oldren Shepard]

It boils down to three things:  

 

A)  Bad Writing

 Bad Writing

C)  Bad Writing

Read this, is special just for your kind.

http://birthmoviesde...f-mass-effect-3

[Nitrocuban]

some ships fighting Reapers and stuff

ZOMG Wormhole

Flash to white screen

"Dafuque where are we?"

MASS EFFECT: ANDROMEDA

[Vespervin]

I'm expecting the game to be like Stargate Universe. And I would be okay with that, as long as we're provided a good reason for it and it's believable within the ME story.

[SNascimento]

Read this, is special just for your kind.

http://birthmoviesde...f-mass-effect-3

One of the best critics out there. The article he wrote about the ending of Edge of Tomorrow is probrably the single best critic related article I've ever read. 

[ozthegweat]

Ah, a Noah's Ark kind of Ark. I see....

 

I cannot possibly imagine what would causes these races to abandon a Galaxy they've barely explored at all, if even The Reaper's themselves didn't manage that. Aside from of course the Dark Energy thing, but at this point that would seem like a slap in the face to bring that back, imo. 

 

Although the Milky Way galaxy is only barely explored, all corners of it are quickly accessible through the Mass Relay network. I guess that any significant number of living organisms in an advanced society is detectable through radiation/heat/whatever. And we know that the Reapers take their time: it took hundreds of years to extinguish the previous cycle.

 

So they probably wanted to play it safe. Send an ark on a trip that will take hundreds of years. When you wake from cryo-sleep and everyone back home is dead, it doesn't matter if they died 50 or 50'000 years ago.

 

But I'm still holding out for ME: Dentist.

[Tonymac]

Read this, is special just for your kind.

http://birthmoviesde...f-mass-effect-3

 

Meh, it boils down to opinion.  There is plenty out there on you-tube that points out all kinds of deficiencies and explains in a fairly technical writers fashion why the ending doesn't jive with a lot of people.

 

Besides, I've never even heard of this hulk smash cat.  Beautiful, articulate and poetic ......  ROFLMAO   Right!  However, he was correct about it being an artistic statement.  It's just one that I happen to think sucks.  For instance a lot of people like Vincent van Gogh's art - I find most of it to be borderline terrible.  If his work was so great, why was it not recognized during his lifetime?  The story of his life, and the relatively small amount of paintings that he produced is the main reason why his art commands such enormous prices today.  Still, you can look at a painting today and see if it is heavily influenced by van Gogh - it is rather iconic.

 

When I got into this game I was already a sci-fi buff - that is why the genre sparked my interest.  I prefer the likes of Isaac Asimov,  Douglas Adams, Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, Herbert, Clarke, and Larry Niven.  Some of the BioWare writers are pretty much on caliber with greats I have mentioned.  However, as far as the overall arch of the ME2/3 story goes.....  I find it woefully lacking.   

 

I guess I had my expectations set too high.

[CronoDragoon]

I read this in Ahnold's voice. You know, like "Who is your Daddy and what does he do?"

[CronoDragoon]

I'll also use this opportunity to say that Film Critic Hulk's ponderings on ME3's endings really changed my thinking about it. Not in the sections where he discusses the implications of asking for art to be changed, but rather that the ending really drives home one of the major themes of the series: the nature of cycles, how they are created, perpetuated, and whether they can be ended. It's now my favorite reading of the endings, and it just feels right given what ME3 chooses to focus on (indoctrination, the harvests, the genophage, Rannoch, the question of second chances in general like the Rachni).

[dreamgazer]

Hulk knows his isht, despite the goofy writing style. He obviously doesn't have the knowledge-base of this series' devotees, but he's got a good cinematic and thematic head on his shoulders.

[Quarian Master Race]

Read this, is special just for your kind.

http://birthmoviesde...f-mass-effect-3

my sides are in orbit from attempting to read this.      Brilliant

[Oldren Shepard]

Meh, it boils down to opinion.  There is plenty out there on you-tube that points out all kinds of deficiencies and explains in a fairly technical writers fashion why the ending doesn't jive with a lot of people.

 

Besides, I've never even heard of this hulk smash cat.  Beautiful, articulate and poetic ......  ROFLMAO   Right!  However, he was correct about it being an artistic statement.  It's just one that I happen to think sucks.  For instance a lot of people like Vincent van Gogh's art - I find most of it to be borderline terrible.  If his work was so great, why was it not recognized during his lifetime?  The story of his life, and the relatively small amount of paintings that he produced is the main reason why his art commands such enormous prices today.  Still, you can look at a painting today and see if it is heavily influenced by van Gogh - it is rather iconic.

 

When I got into this game I was already a sci-fi buff - that is why the genre sparked my interest.  I prefer the likes of Isaac Asimov,  Douglas Adams, Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, Herbert, Clarke, and Larry Niven.  Some of the BioWare writers are pretty much on caliber with greats I have mentioned.  However, as far as the overall arch of the ME2/3 story goes.....  I find it woefully lacking.   

 

I guess I had my expectations set too high.

and for you too.

http://birthmoviesde...f-mass-effect-3

It is infinitely easier to criticize than to create.

[Iakus]

How the heck did we get to Andromeda?

 

THough the unbeatable power of Space Magic and Wishing Really Hard.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

THough the unbeatable power of Space Magic and Wishing Really Hard.

 

To be fair we don't know enough about the next game to say whether or not the means of getting to Andromeda are contrived or involve copious amounts of space magic. In fact we don't even know yet if the game is going to be set in Andromeda at all. All we have to go on is some interesting and plausible rumors, but they are far from being confirmed and very vague in their details.

 

I think any criticism of a game set in Andromeda as being contrived or space magicky is premature considering the lack of concrete information. 

[ZoliCs]

THough the unbeatable power of Space Magic and Wishing Really Hard.

I didn't know Thanix is space magic 

[TheRevanchist]

Meh, it boils down to opinion.  There is plenty out there on you-tube that points out all kinds of deficiencies and explains in a fairly technical writers fashion why the ending doesn't jive with a lot of people.

 

Besides, I've never even heard of this hulk smash cat.  Beautiful, articulate and poetic ......  ROFLMAO   Right!  However, he was correct about it being an artistic statement.  It's just one that I happen to think sucks.  For instance a lot of people like Vincent van Gogh's art - I find most of it to be borderline terrible.  If his work was so great, why was it not recognized during his lifetime?  The story of his life, and the relatively small amount of paintings that he produced is the main reason why his art commands such enormous prices today.  Still, you can look at a painting today and see if it is heavily influenced by van Gogh - it is rather iconic.

 

When I got into this game I was already a sci-fi buff - that is why the genre sparked my interest.  I prefer the likes of Isaac Asimov,  Douglas Adams, Ray Bradbury, Robert Heinlein, Herbert, Clarke, and Larry Niven.  Some of the BioWare writers are pretty much on caliber with greats I have mentioned.  However, as far as the overall arch of the ME2/3 story goes.....  I find it woefully lacking.   

 

I guess I had my expectations set too high.

 

His opinions of Art are irrelevant to the discussion. His opinion of what defines "art" which is in itself the most subjective thing in human history means literally nothing to me and many others. There are factual things wrong with the ending, as this video describes in detail. Getting on a soapbox about pushing someones opinions of art as a fact is frankly ridiculous. This man being a "professional critic" does not somehow grant him supreme authority to determine such things. 

 

 

 

Regardless that is not the point of this thread. So let that be the end of the side tracking.