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[TheRevanchist]

To be fair we don't know enough about the next game to say whether or not the means of getting to Andromeda are contrived or involve copious amounts of space magic. In fact we don't even know yet if the game is going to be set in Andromeda at all. All we have to go on is some interesting and plausible rumors, but they are far from being confirmed and very vague in their details.

 

I think any criticism of a game set in Andromeda as being contrived or space magicky is premature considering the lack of concrete information. 

 

True, we don't know for sure if the game is in Andromeda but it seems very likely since there is almost no way of remaining in the Milky Way without addressing the ending, since it affected the entire galaxy.

[Tonymac]

Well, they have to do something, either canonize an ending or run off to Andromeda.  In some ways I wish they would just start over in our galaxy.  

[CronoDragoon]

To back up a bit for the OP, here are the details of the leak: http://www.neogaf.co...mor mass effect

 

Ark Theory has been around for longer than the leak, though, named such because of this which BioWare posted on Twitter:

 

[Vortex13]

If the ark theory is correct, I really hope that our explanation for getting to andromeda is more involved than: "Oh look, a conveniently placed wormhole!" or "Oh look, a Not-Relay that links directly to another galaxy!" Personally, I am hoping for a generational vessel that crosses the intergalactic void the old fashion way, with my preferred craft being an Ezo-rich asteroid with FTL engines strapped on it. 

 

 

As much as I loathe leaving the Milky Way, and how much I dislike the galaxy-spanning effects of the ending(s), I am willing to concede that a complete change of scenery would be warranted if only to avoid the headache of trying to tie all those divergent plot points back together. However, I don't want to see the ark, or whatever method of conveyance we use to get to the new galaxy, leave out any of the species that helped make up the galaxy for the first three games; especially the more alien ones (Rachni, Hanar, Elcor, etc). I am willing to give Andromeda a chance, but I am going to be extremely disappointed if only the "Big 4" most popular races (Humans, Asari, Turians, and Krogan) make it to the next game while the rest of races are abandoned, never to be seen or heard from ever again. 

[Heimdall]

To back up a bit for the OP, here are the details of the leak: http://www.neogaf.co...mor mass effect
 
Ark Theory has been around for longer than the leak, though, named such because of this which BioWare posted on Twitter:
 

Actually it's been around even longer than that, we came up with the name on that Andromeda thread that popped up after the last E3 teaser, based on the belief that the non-spiral Galaxy on the Galaxy map was Andromeda.

[Iakus]

If the ark theory is correct, I really hope that our explanation for getting to andromeda is more involved than: "Oh look, a conveniently placed wormhole!" or "Oh look, a Not-Relay that links directly to another galaxy!"

How much you wanna bet the protagonist in MENExt has a green mark on their hand?  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How much you wanna bet the protagonist in MENExt has a green mark on their hand?  

A neon-green Omni-tool would look cool. 

[Iakus]

To be fair we don't know enough about the next game to say whether or not the means of getting to Andromeda are contrived or involve copious amounts of space magic. In fact we don't even know yet if the game is going to be set in Andromeda at all. All we have to go on is some interesting and plausible rumors, but they are far from being confirmed and very vague in their details.

 

I think any criticism of a game set in Andromeda as being contrived or space magicky is premature considering the lack of concrete information. 

 

There's a pattern of behavior to follow.  It has made me...cynical...

I didn't know Thanix is space magic 

I didn't know Thanix was an ftl drive.  

[ZoliCs]

I didn't know Thanix was an ftl drive.  

It's a RE'd Reaper tech. You know what else is? An FTL drive that can get to Andromeda.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's a RE'd Reaper tech. You know what else is? An FTL drive that can get to Andromeda.

Because reverse engineering a drive that "seems to defy the laws of physics" to the galaxy's top minds is the same ballpark as reverse engineering a gun.

They're not in the same ballpark, or even in the same sport.

[Iakus]

It's a RE'd Reaper tech. You know what else is? An FTL drive that can get to Andromeda.

 

That's..wow...there is literally no way to argue with logic like that.  

 

Just for starters, you have no way of knowing the Reapers have an ftl drive to get to Andromeda.

[Vortex13]

It's a RE'd Reaper tech. You know what else is? An FTL drive that can get to Andromeda.

 

 

IMO, using a bootstrap approach with an ezo rich asteroid would accomplish the same thing without coming across as a contrivance, and it would also help set up the desperate struggle for resources when we get to Andromeda.

 

If we make the trip with a ship filled with incredibly powerful Reaper tech why would we even struggle with the natives, as the survey leak implies? If we are able to retrofit a Reaper FTL drive without any issues, then who's to say that we also don't have some super powered Reaper lasers that we can use to one shot anything the Khet could throw at us?

 

 

It would make more sense if we finish the journey with a nearly exhausted asteroid as our home base (kinda like a Citadel/Omega 2.0) and we quite literally have to start from scratch. 

[ZoliCs]

Because reverse engineering a drive that "seems to defy the laws of physics" to the galaxy's top minds is the same ballpark as reverse engineering a gun.

They're not in the same ballpark, or even in the same sport.

Because you know how the galaxy looked at the Reaper guns before the Thanix?

Because you have real life reverse engineering skills?

 

Don't presume you know the lore better than the writers...

 

That's..wow...there is literally no way to argue with logic like that.  

You and logic? Please...

 

Just for starters, you have no way of knowing the Reapers have an ftl drive to get to Andromeda.

Educate yourself:

http://masseffect.wi...dex/The_Reapers

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because you know how the galaxy looked at the Reaper guns before the Thanix?

Because you have real life reverse engineering skills?

They went from seeing them in action to producing them in eleven months according to the lore. If it took them eleven months to reverse engineer a gun while having Sovereign's gun and the weapon's core as a reference, it would take them several years to do the same with a Reaper drive. There isn't enough time between Sovereign's death and the end of the Reaper War for that, especially with all of the top minds going to the Crucible Project. 

[Iakus]

 

You and logic? Please...

"We can build a smaller, weaker version of a gun they have, so we can just as easily replicate intergalactic travel for organics.  Which the Reapers may not even have"

 

yeah, logic...

[Iakus]

They went from seeing them in action to producing them in eleven months according to the lore. If it took them eleven months to reverse engineer a gun while having Sovereign's gun and the weapon's core as a reference, it would take them several years to do the same with a Reaper drive. There isn't enough time between Sovereign's death and the end of the Reaper War for that, especially with all of the top minds going to the Crucible Project. 

Yeah that war thing might divert some resources from studying the whole violation of known physical laws thing  

[ZoliCs]

They went from seeing them in action to producing them in eleven months according to the lore. If it took them eleven months to reverse engineer a gun while having Sovereign's gun and the weapon's core as a reference, it would take them several years to do the same with a Reaper drive. There isn't enough time between Sovereign's death and the end of the Reaper War for that, especially with all of the top minds going to the Crucible Project. 

It took the Turians 11 months to Reverse Engineer and mass produce the Thanix alone. The whole galaxy can easily make a prototype in time.

 

Anyway you are not a Bioware writer, nor are you an engineer so don't tell us how long it takes to make a prototype drive core.

[Pasquale1234]

IMO, using a bootstrap approach with an ezo rich asteroid would accomplish the same thing without coming across as a contrivance, and it would also help set up the desperate struggle for resources when we get to Andromeda.

It's a clever idea, but I'm not sure you'd need an ongoing supply of eezo. It is not consumed or expended, though it will wear out eventually.

The refueling in ME2&3 are really just game mechanics. The Normandy shouldn't really need fuel very often. Or at all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It took the Turians 11 months to Reverse Engineer and mass produce the Thanix alone. The whole galaxy can easily make a prototype in time.

 

Anyway you are not a Bioware writer, nor are you an engineer so don't tell us how long it takes to make a prototype drive core.

It never says mass produce. It says produce or introduce(depending on if you're using the ME2 or ME3 Codex entry) the Thanix Cannon, as in like when a company produces and introduces the first of a line of something. When a company does that, it doesn't mean they've mass produced it. In most cases it is to get funding for them to start mass producing it, which takes a few to several more months. 

 

Unless you are an engineer who has worked on something from conception to utilization that was said to be impossible in only a couple years, you don't have justification to put down people pointing out logical problems. 

[themikefest]

How much you wanna bet the protagonist in MENExt has a green mark on their hand?  

I rather have a red mark on the hand. 

[ZoliCs]

Unless you are an engineer who has worked on something from conception to utilization that was said to be impossible in only a couple years, you don't have justification to put down people pointing out logical problems. 

I guess you missed the part where Mass Effect is a science fiction. Reapers can get to Andromeda. We can RE Reaper tech. Everything else is up to the writers since this is a story not real life.

[Vazgen]

Story still has to stay within the bounds it established. Granted, those bounds are stretched to max with space magic like the Thorian, Lazarus Project, Synthesis etc. In its current state, yes, they can pretty much make up anything they want. The point is, should they? Me, Iakus and others don't think so and would prefer those bounds to be more strict in ME:Next. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I guess you missed the part where Mass Effect is a science fiction. Reapers can get to Andromeda. We can RE Reaper tech. Everything else is up to the writers since this is a story not real life.

And in this fiction, the writers have established laws. If they break those laws, people are allowed to call them out on it. People do it all the time with different franchises. 

[Iakus]

It's a clever idea, but I'm not sure you'd need an ongoing supply of eezo. It is not consumed or expended, though it will wear out eventually.

The refueling in ME2&3 are really just game mechanics. The Normandy shouldn't really need fuel very often.

"Fuel" seems to only be needed with sublight engines.  Though I'm sure internal systems need some kind of power source as well.

 

At any rate, that's not the real problem with intergalactic travel.  It's keeping the crew alive for the centuries such a trip would take.  Stasis alone wouldn' t be enough.  Even with Reaper engines, he ships would be slagged well before reaching their destination without someplace to discharge.

 

I guess you missed the part where Mass Effect is a science fiction. Reapers can get to Andromeda. We can RE Reaper tech. Everything else is up to the writers since this is a story not real life.

 

fiction =/= carte blanche to just make sh*t up.  It has to fit in the established setting.  

[ZoliCs]

And in this fiction, the writers have established laws. If they break those laws, people are allowed to call them out on it. People do it all the time with different franchises. 

It's still not breaking those laws. There's a single instance of REing Reaper tech. You can't make assumptions form one occurence.

It was also only done by a single race (not even the smartest (Salarian) or the most advanced (Asari) race), for the first time in this cycle. If they take their experience and add in some ex-cerberus guy who also worked on Reaper tech, while the whole galaxy is working together then making a single prototype is as far from break the lore as it gets.