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[dreamgazer]

"The whole galaxy"? Are we no longer trying to keep Noah's Space Ark a secret?

[Vortex13]

"Fuel" seems to only be needed with sub-light engines.  Though I'm sure internal systems need some kind of power source as well.

 

At any rate, that's not the real problem with intergalactic travel.  It's keeping the crew alive for the centuries such a trip would take.  Stasis alone wouldn't be enough.  Even with Reaper engines, the ships would be slagged well before reaching their destination without someplace to discharge.

 

 

That's the beauty of using an Ezo rich asteroid, it is a self contained system. As the crew mines the element out of the rock they not only create more living space for the passengers, but they also create usable grounding material to discharge the drives with. Simply transfer the built up charge to the waste products before you jettison them. 

 

As for living conditions, it would be hard granted, but having a small 'awake' population active on the asteroid maintaining the stasis pods; most likely an Asari / Rachni population for the technicians, and a Krogan / Rachni crew for the miners; would alleviate the problems associated with completely relying on automated systems. An asteroid 3/4 the size of Omega would provide more than enough room and fuel for the refugees to make it across intergalactic space (IMO).

[Pasquale1234]

"Fuel" seems to only be needed with sublight engines.  Though I'm sure internal systems need some kind of power source as well.

Maybe. They'd also need a way to apply an electrical current to the eezo core.
 

At any rate, that's not the real problem with intergalactic travel.  It's keeping the crew alive for the centuries such a trip would take.  Stasis alone wouldn't be enough.

Javik was in stasis for 50,000 years. His pod had some sort of power storage (battery?) capable of supplying adequate power for all that time. Vigil managed the power utilization for the pods on Ilos for centuries, and was still functional 50,000 years later.
 

Even with Reaper engines, he ships would be slagged well before reaching their destination without someplace to discharge.

Reapers aren't known to discharge - or refuel in any way.

Also - if you have Sovereign's technology (like an intact drive core), why bother trying to reverse engineer it? Just use it as is.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's the beauty of using an Ezo rich asteroid, it is a self contained system. As the crew mines the element out of the rock they not only create more living space for the passengers, but they also create usable grounding material to discharge the drives with. Simply transfer the built up charge to the waste products before you jettison them. 

 

As for living conditions, it would be hard granted, but having a small 'awake' population active on the asteroid maintaining the stasis pods; most likely an Asari / Rachni population for the technicians, and a Krogan / Rachni crew for the miners; would alleviate the problems associated with completely relying on automated systems. An asteroid 3/4 the size of Omega would provide more than enough room and fuel for the refugees to make it across intergalactic space (IMO).

It'd be better to tow the asteroid along with the ship instead of being the ship. If it is the ship, the problem hasn't been solved. 

[Vortex13]

It'd be better to tow the asteroid along with the ship instead of being the ship. If it is the ship, the problem hasn't been solved. 

 

 

Towing it would just create extra mass, and potentially extra problems to deal with.

 

 

Why spend time and valuable resources creating an Ark ship when a large asteroid would provide more potential fuel capacity and living space as is? You could take all the materials that would have gone into the construction of your intergalactic spaceship and use it to supply the asteroid crew with plenty of back up components and supplies to help establish preliminary colonies once they get to Andromeda. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Towing it would just create extra mass, and potentially extra problems to deal with.

 

 

Why spend time and valuable resources creating an Ark ship when a large asteroid would provide more potential fuel capacity and living space as is? You could take all the materials that would have gone into the construction of your intergalactic spaceship and use it to supply the asteroid crew with plenty of back up components and supplies to help establish preliminary colonies once they get to Andromeda. 

Because with the asteroid serving as the vessel, you still have the big issue: the discharge problem. All using the asteroid as a ship will do is replace steel with rock. The asteroid will still overheat to the point of killing everything aboard if they keep discharging into it. 

[Iakus]

 
Javik was in stasis for 50,000 years. His pod had some sort of power storage (battery?) capable of supplying adequate power for all that time. Vigil managed the power utilization for the pods on Ilos for centuries, and was still functional 50,000 years later.
 

Both of those stasis pods were also in large underground facilities were there were presumably massive power supplies.  But yeah, what I meant was the problem of keeping a crew in stasis, while a problem isn't the biggest one.  It's keeping the crew alive due to the need to discharge the drive core.

 

 Reapers aren't known to discharge - or refuel in any way.

 

But they are also Reapers, immortal sentient starships.  How they stay functioning is both unknown (possibly one of those violations of physical law) and may not even apply to a purely organic crew.

[Vortex13]

Because with the asteroid serving as the vessel, you still have the big issue: the discharge problem. All using the asteroid as a ship will do is replace steel with rock. The asteroid will still overheat to the point of killing everything aboard if they keep discharging into it. 

 

 

That's were the waste rock from the ezo mining comes into play.

 

As the crew mines out the asteroid for more fuel they not only create more living/storage space, but they also will have (if the asteroid is similar in size to Omega) tons of waste material; just discharge the drive cores into the refuse as you jettison them. It would be the same process as towing an asteroid and using it as a dump point, but it would have the benefit of carrying all of that as a "built in" feature.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's were the waste rock from the ezo mining comes into play.

 

As the crew mines out the asteroid for more fuel they not only create more living/storage space, but they also will have (if the asteroid is similar in size to Omega) tons of waste material; just discharge the drive cores into the refuse as you jettison them. It would be the same process as towing an asteroid and using it as a dump point, but it would have the benefit of carrying all of that as a "built in" feature.

I don't think it works like that. From the sounds of things, the object they discharge into needs to have a large electromagnetic field, which is why they do it usually into the atmosphere of Jovial planets or into the surface of a Terrestrial planet or large asteroids. Otherwise ships could just discharge into space junk.

[Han Shot First]

Because reverse engineering a drive that "seems to defy the laws of physics" to the galaxy's top minds is the same ballpark as reverse engineering a gun.

They're not in the same ballpark, or even in the same sport.

 

The means by which the Reapers are able to reach speeds of 30 light years per day without needing to refuel or drive discharge baffle Council scientists only because they don't know what is going inside of a Reaper. Prior to the Reaper War the only exposure those scientists or engineers would have had to Reaper technology was the debris from Sovereign, which was far from being intact at the end of Mass Effect 1. Sovereign was blasted into smithereens.

 

There wouldn't be any mystery involved if dead Reapers were recovered relatively whole, like say for instance...the Tuchanka Reaper. The only issue with studying an intact Reaper is indoctrination, but if indoctrination is no longer a secret (and it wasn't after ME1) it can be done safely with robots. You don't need people to actually come into physical contact with it.

 

Getting back to the real world...it's one of the reasons why the people who believe a UFO crashed at Roswell are so ridiculous. If we had actually recovered a relatively intact space craft capable of interstellar travel in the 1940s we'd now probably have colonists living in the Alpha Centauri system.

 

There are plenty of ways the writers could work reverse engineered Reaper technology into the game and keep it believable. It certainly would require less suspension of disbelief than things like indoctrination and the Lazarus Project.

[Helios969]

The means by which the Reapers are able to reach speeds of 30 light years per day without needing to refuel or drive discharge baffle Council scientists only because they don't know what is going inside of a Reaper. Prior to the Reaper War the only exposure those scientists or engineers would have had to Reaper technology was the debris from Sovereign, which was far from being intact at the end of Mass Effect 1. Sovereign was blasted into smithereens.

 

There wouldn't be any mystery involved if dead Reapers were recovered relatively whole, like say for instance...the Tuchanka Reaper. The only issue with studying an intact Reaper is indoctrination, but if indoctrination is no longer a secret (and it wasn't after ME1) it can be done safely with robots. You don't need people to actually come into physical contact with it.

 

Getting back to the real world...it's one of the reasons why the people who believe a UFO crashed at Roswell are so ridiculous. If we had actually recovered a relatively intact space craft capable of interstellar travel in the 1940s we'd now probably have colonists living in the Alpha Centauri system.

 

 

Wouldn't robots get hacked?  Or do you mean the human controlled variety?

 

We already do, it's a closely guarded secret of the Illuminati.   

[Han Shot First]

Wouldn't robots get hacked?  Or do you mean the human controlled variety?

 

We already do, it's a closely guarded secret of the Illuminati.   

 

More the non-sentient sort of robot. Remote-controlled drones, basically.

 

I'm assuming that was how Sovereign's debris was safely recovered and studied.

[laudable11]

Reaper tech has already been reversed engineered. What's the problem? Everything Mass Effect related is reversed engineered Reaper tech. The Prothians did it and many races before.

Galactic civilization is based on Reaper tech. All of it.

[themikefest]

There wouldn't be any mystery involved if dead Reapers were recovered relatively whole, like say for instance...the Tuchanka Reaper. The only issue with studying an intact Reaper is indoctrination, but if indoctrination is no longer a secret (and it wasn't after ME1) it can be done safely with robots. You don't need people to actually come into physical contact with it.

Too bad there wasn't an opportunity to study the reaper that had the IFF instead of it falling into the brown dwarf

[Steppenwolf]

Too bad there wasn't an opportunity to study the reaper that had the IFF instead of it falling into the brown dwarf

 

Cool it with the potty mouth. This is a family place.

[x Raizer x]

Maybe we got to Andromeda though a strange portal, similar to a Mass Effect Relay but, different... Unique... Alien to the common relay.

Or maybe we simply poofed.

[Mcfly616]

What is it? It's dumb. That's what.

[camirish]

I am honestly okay if they retcon the ME3 ending(s) to make ME4 work.  No one would really miss them.

[saladinbob]

I am honestly okay if they retcon the ME3 ending(s) to make ME4 work.  No one would really miss them.

 

 

A sizeable proportion of us would rejoice. One hope I have above all others is that the nincompoop who wrote that rubbish is in no way involved in ME4's writing. 

[dan155]

Maybe we got to Andromeda though a strange portal, similar to a Mass Effect Relay but, different... Unique... Alien to the common relay.

Or maybe we simply poofed.

 

This.  My suspicion is the portal/relay already exists, it was a one way Relay created by the Remnant to escape the Reapers and start anew, they left behind the Relay for any races clever enough to find it to follow them through, the species who created this Relay, and the Relays in the Andromeda Galaxy, left the ruins we will be exploring in ME4.  I still think this has something to do with the planet Klencory, from the codex:

 

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."

 

The 'being of light' would match with early leaked reports of concept art for two new races, one of which was an ancient guardian race that looked like golems with lines of light running down their bodies.  

[Helios969]

^sounds like some good potential in that.

[GalacticWolf5]

I am honestly okay if they retcon the ME3 ending(s) to make ME4 work. No one would really miss them.

I would and I'm certainly not the only one.

[Vortex13]

This.  My suspicion is the portal/relay already exists, it was a one way Relay created by the Remnant to escape the Reapers and start anew, they left behind the Relay for any races clever enough to find it to follow them through, the species who created this Relay, and the Relays in the Andromeda Galaxy, left the ruins we will be exploring in ME4.  I still think this has something to do with the planet Klencory, from the codex:

 

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."

 

The 'being of light' would match with early leaked reports of concept art for two new races, one of which was an ancient guardian race that looked like golems with lines of light running down their bodies.  

 

 

That would match up, but it would be a massive cop out, an even bigger contrivance than discovering the Crucible plans on Mars just as the Reapers invade (IMO).

 

An intergalactic Not-Relay just sitting there, undiscovered by the Reapers for who knows how long, turning up right when they begin to invade. This would also bring up a lot of issues such as:

 

 

• If this is a functional Relay, why aren't more people going through it? The influx of people to Sanctuary was massive as the populace was desperate for anyplace that was free of the Reapers; there should be a line backed up all the way to the Citadel of people clamoring to go through the relay to Andromeda. Subtlety would be understandable if you wanted to keep the Reapers from discovering this fact (letting only as small number of survivors through at a time), but people all over the Milky Way were fleeing the invasion, I doubt if the Reapers would know or even care if a small stream of refugees was retreating to some other haven. 

 

 

• Why is no-one else going through the Relay in ME:Next? The supposed leak paints a picture of a people cut off from the Milky Way, but how can that be if the races of the galaxy could just send more forces through the gate? More than that, if there is a means of travel then why wouldn't we see Shepard and Co. (Destroy), Shep-Reapers (Control), or green colored Reapers (Synthesis) traveling through the Relay?

 

 

• Okay, maybe the Not-Relay is discovered, or it has an automatic fail-safe in the event of a Reaper or indoctrinated agent trying to access it, or maybe the forces of the galaxy have to end up destroying the gate because of encroaching enemy forces. Forgetting the massive supernova-esque explosion that occurs when a Relay is destroyed, and the damage that it would cause to surrounding systems, the Reapers would now know that an unauthorized (Not Reaper built) Relay has been discovered. Using telemetry not unlike EDI did when tracking where the Collectors went when traversing the Omega Relay, it shouldn't be too hard for the Reapers to determine that organics have escaped the galaxy. Even if we assume that they don't send an entire battle group to cross the void in-between the galaxies, and instead only send one ship, we do know that the Reapers simply wouldn't ignore the fact that some organics are disrupting the cycle. So if a Reaper presence left the Milky Way in pursuit it is obvious that they would avoid the effects of the ending(s), and you would have more Reapers in future titles.

[Iakus]

Not to mention:

 

Who built the relay at the destination point of this intergalactic relay?  Or does this one just shoot people off to some random location in space?

[Massa FX]

I don't really care how or why or what.

 

I just want to play. 

 

But, keep on with the speculations and theories on alleged leaks and dev hints.