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[Steppenwolf]

A sizeable proportion of us would rejoice. One hope I have above all others is that the nincompoop who wrote that rubbish is in no way involved in ME4's writing.

Well, bad news...

[Heimdall]

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That would match up, but it would be a massive cop out, an even bigger contrivance than discovering the Crucible plans on Mars just as the Reapers invade (IMO).

An intergalactic Not-Relay just sitting there, undiscovered by the Reapers for who knows how long, turning up right when they begin to invade. This would also bring up a lot of issues such as:

• If this is a functional Relay, why aren't more people going through it? The influx of people to Sanctuary was massive as the populace was desperate for anyplace that was free of the Reapers; there should be a line backed up all the way to the Citadel of people clamoring to go through the relay to Andromeda. Subtlety would be understandable if you wanted to keep the Reapers from discovering this fact (letting only as small number of survivors through at a time), but people all over the Milky Way were fleeing the invasion, I doubt if the Reapers would know or even care if a small stream of refugees was retreating to some other haven.

• Why is no-one else going through the Relay in ME:Next? The supposed leak paints a picture of a people cut off from the Milky Way, but how can that be if the races of the galaxy could just send more forces through the gate? More than that, if there is a means of travel then why wouldn't we see Shepard and Co. (Destroy), Shep-Reapers (Control), or green colored Reapers (Synthesis) traveling through the Relay?

• Okay, maybe the Not-Relay is discovered, or it has an automatic fail-safe in the event of a Reaper or indoctrinated agent trying to access it, or maybe the forces of the galaxy have to end up destroying the gate because of encroaching enemy forces. Forgetting the massive supernova-esque explosion that occurs when a Relay is destroyed, and the damage that it would cause to surrounding systems, the Reapers would now know that an unauthorized (Not Reaper built) Relay has been discovered. Using telemetry not unlike EDI did when tracking where the Collectors went when traversing the Omega Relay, it shouldn't be too hard for the Reapers to determine that organics have escaped the galaxy. Even if we assume that they don't send an entire battle group to cross the void in-between the galaxies, and instead only send one ship, we do know that the Reapers simply wouldn't ignore the fact that some organics are disrupting the cycle. So if a Reaper presence left the Milky Way in pursuit it is obvious that they would avoid the effects of the ending(s), and you would have more Reapers in future titles.

Well, here's some ideas. Maybe the Remnants sent the Not-Relay to the Milky Way from Andromeda either to be their portal to the MW or benevolently offering a way out to the races of the Milky Way. But whatever reason they are "Remnants" happened and they were gone by the time they arrived (Some time during this cycle or at an isolated location not discovered for millennia). So this ark project found it, kept it a secret, and arranged for the continuity of civilization via a relatively small group of evacuees. They probably destroyed the Not-Relay after they sent the Ark or Arks through.

It might not be a Mass Relay at all, maybe it creates a wormhole instead so EDI's extrapolation method wouldn't work.

[laudable11]

So many great theories. I wonder if the devs ideas are just as good.

[Oldren Shepard]

This.  My suspicion is the portal/relay already exists, it was a one way Relay created by the Remnant to escape the Reapers and start anew, they left behind the Relay for any races clever enough to find it to follow them through, the species who created this Relay, and the Relays in the Andromeda Galaxy, left the ruins we will be exploring in ME4.  I still think this has something to do with the planet Klencory, from the codex:

 

Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric Volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic life from synthetic "machine devils."

 

The 'being of light' would match with early leaked reports of concept art for two new races, one of which was an ancient guardian race that looked like golems with lines of light running down their bodies.  

In the second I come to think that the solution to beat the Reapers was on that planet, although many people do not like how they finished the trilogy, I prefer the way with the synthesis.

[Helios969]

In the second I come to think that the solution to beat the Reapers was on that planet, although many people do not like how they finished the trilogy, I prefer the way with the synthesis.

Please don't go into politics, we do not need any more politicians telling us what's "best for us" based on their own belief system.

[Kabooooom]

I really like the idea of a species surviving the harvest in a prior cycle, be it the "Remnants" or something else...because the thing is, it isn't even that hard to avoid the Reapers. We have in-lore examples of two separate species accomplishing this, with one accomplishing it for two billion years straight (although granted, the Leviathans are unique in many ways).

Whether they run with the Klencory thing or not, I do support the idea of an ancient survivor race being in the next game. Perhaps they appear to be benevolent initially...only to find out that their motives are profoundly alien (a la Prometheus).

If the story is simply an "explore and set up new colonies" thing, I would be disappointed. If it is a "lets see if we can top the Reapers" story, I will be disappointed. If it is a super small scale conflict among small factions, I would be disappointed.

Something in between is preferable to me, but that's just my opinion.

[Oldren Shepard]

Please don't go into politics, we do not need any more politicians telling us what's "best for us" based on their own belief system.

 

Politics? I said I prefer some kind of specific conclusion, because that war could not be won with fists, bombs or bullets, I wasn't saying that you or others have to like what I like.

[Sion1138]

I had a thought the other day that they might use the 'Alpha-relay' explosion in some way, maybe that ended up making a wormhole.

[Kabooooom]

I had a thought the other day that they might use the 'Alpha-relay' explosion in some way, maybe that ended up making a wormhole.

I actually like this idea. A relay explosion releases a massive amount of energy. Like supernova level massive. And it is created from an extremely powerful and poorly understood device that utilizes the mass effect to a level that far surpasses anything else in the lore. If a stable wormhole was inadvertently created as a side effect of a relay explosion, I would be on board with that idea.

I actually like the wormhole idea. It is probably the only plausible method extrapolated from currently understood physics that would ever truly take us to the stars.

[Provo_101]

I really hope this supposed "leak" is fake.

 

If it's true, I can't even imagine how many retcons are gonna come with it.

 

If this "Pathfinder Initiative"/ark contingency was supposedly planned sometime before or during the Reaper War, how the hell didn't Shepard hear about it? Between having one of the biggest security clearances in the galaxy as a Spectre, and being best pals with the freakin' Shadow Broker, Wrex, and Anderson/Hackett, I can't figure out how that would have slipped.

One would think that the highest galactic officials would know about this sort of thing. Unless this super-covert ark program consists of a ragtag bunch of newbie N7 officers, yahg, batarians, vorcha & some randomly selected raloi.

 

Can't communicate with these new alien species because they're language hasn't been studied for translator use yet? Nothing a little handwavium can't fix! I like to think they won't rehash the Protheans' ability again, but if the leak is true, I wouldn't be surprised if these "Remnants" (blegh) can just straight-up mind read.

 

I'm also trying to diminish my burning inner hatred for resorting to a new galaxy, when the Milky Way established in ME1 & 2 is already so iconic and vast. Not to mention, we've only explored 1% of it. The Citadel has become intrinsic to the series, and is absolutely the very first thing that comes to mind when I hear or see the words Mass Effect. Having a game without it just seems... wrong. Call me closed-minded.

 

... why can't we just have a game that takes place during the two years Shepard was dead? Or even during the six months Shep is on Earth, that focuses on the dark energy threat that gets foreshadowed throughout ME2, but completely dropped between 2-3? See, that can be covert. Of course, maybe I'm just saying that because I want Kal'reegar & Gianna Parasini as squadmates... who knows?

 

I want the Nemean Abyss. I want to dive into the seedy, intriguing corporate underbelly we glimpsed on Noveria & Illium. I'd rather explore Rakhana and Kahje, or even the handful of planets with mysterious ruins & phenomena that are already present in ME1/2, than go to a new galaxy for the hell of it. Klencory, Logan, Zaherux, Armeni, Ploba, Quaji, and a helluva lot more that I don't remember, all have something mysterious going on with them.

 

But, whatever. I'll probably play it anyway...

[azarhal]

 

If this "Pathfinder Initiative"/ark contingency was supposedly planned sometime before or during the Reaper War, how the hell didn't Shepard hear about it? Between having one of the biggest security clearances in the galaxy as a Spectre, and being best pals with the freakin' Shadow Broker, Wrex, and Anderson/Hackett, I can't figure out how that would have slipped.

 

Shepard was all about fighting the Reapers, not running away. Add that the attack on Earth would have been the perfect decoy to leave the galaxy while all the Reapers are busy elsewhere...

 

Also, maybe someone in the galaxy finally entertained the idea that Shepard had been indoctrinated considering the amount of time he spent around Reaper tech by ME3. NPCs should be a lot more paranoiac over indoctrination by the 3rd game...

[Iakus]

 

 

I'm also trying to diminish my burning inner hatred for resorting to a new galaxy, when the Milky Way established in ME1 & 2 is already so iconic and vast. Not to mention, we've only explored 1% of it. The Citadel has become intrinsic to the series, and is absolutely the very first thing that comes to mind when I hear or see the words Mass Effect. Having a game without it just seems... wrong. Call me closed-minded.

 

We haven't even seen that much.

 

The mapped out portions of the relay network covers about 1% of the galaxy.  And we've only seen a handful of those places.

 

Who knows how far the network extends?  Or what might be beyond that?

[Drone223]

Shepard was all about fighting the Reapers, not running away. Add that the attack on Earth would have been the perfect decoy to leave the galaxy while all the Reapers are busy elsewhere...
 
Also, maybe someone in the galaxy finally entertained the idea that Shepard had been indoctrinated considering the amount of time he spent around Reaper tech by ME3. NPCs should be a lot more paranoiac over indoctrination by the 3rd game...

Actually Shepard should've been told that there is a plan B is the works should the crucible fail and he/she can be trusted with the secrey of the project.

If people think that Shepard could be indoctrinated then they shouldn't let Shepard be a key figure in the war against the reapers or tell him about the crucible in the first place. It makes no scene to think he/she is indoctrinated since Shepard spent the first two games warning everyone about the reaper's.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

If it's true, I can't even imagine how many retcons are gonna come with it.

 

 

 

Retcons wouldn't be needed to write a good story set in Andromeda.

 

Whether or not Bioware goes that route is another story, but they don't need to play fast & loose with previous lore to get the ME: Next protagonist there. 

[Steppenwolf]

Actually Shepard should've been told that there is a plan B is the works should the crucible fail and he/she can be trusted with the secrey of the project.

If people think that Shepard could be indoctrinated then they shouldn't let Shepard be a key figure in the war against the reapers or tell him about the crucible in the first place. It makes no scene to think he/she is indoctrinated since Shepard spent the first two games warning everyone about the reaper's.

So the guy who's constantly coming face to face with Reapers was never at risk of indoctrination or capture? It would make a lot more sense to keep everyone not directly involved with the project, especially Shepard, in the dark.

[Sion1138]

So the guy who's constantly coming face to face with Reapers was never at risk of indoctrination or capture? It would make a lot more sense to keep everyone not directly involved with the project, especially Shepard, in the dark.

 

Yeah, but it hurts my Shepard feelings.

 

So screw them and their ark. I hope there's a black hole on the other side.

[Drone223]

So the guy who's constantly coming face to face with Reapers was never at risk of indoctrination or capture? It would make a lot more sense to keep everyone not directly involved with the project, especially Shepard, in the dark.

They trusted Shepard with the crucible, getting krogan/turian support etc. I think Shepard could be trusted to keep an ark project secret. If people thought Shepard was at risk of being indoctrinated then Shepard would've never been told about the crucible or the war summit with the krogan and the turians. Not to mention prolonged exposure to reaper tech is required for indoctrination to start taking effect especially if the reapers want its effects to last months or years.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So the guy who's constantly coming face to face with Reapers was never at risk of indoctrination or capture? It would make a lot more sense to keep everyone not directly involved with the project, especially Shepard, in the dark.

Yet they trust Shepard with the Anti-Reaper Superweapon information? 

[shepskisaac]

Let's pray Monday settles the setting issue at the very least. Even I'm tired of speculating at this point whether it is going to be in Milky Way or another galaxy...

[Steppenwolf]

They trusted Shepard with the crucible,

They didn't trust Shepard with the Crucible. They didn't even have the Crucible or know that it existed until Shepard gave it to them.
 

getting krogan/turian support etc.

Not the same at all.
 

I think Shepard could be trusted to keep an ark project secret.

Until he gets captured by Reaper forces. You future cannot be known. Just winging it because Shepard is a pretty cool guy doesn't make any sense.
 

If people thought Shepard was at risk of being indoctrinated then Shepard would've never been told about the crucible or the war summit with the krogan and the turians. Not to mention prolonged exposure to reaper tech is required for indoctrination to start taking effect especially if the reapers want its effects to last months or years.

How does anyone get indoctrinated against their will? Is Shepard immune to being captured?

[azarhal]

Yet they trust Shepard with the Anti-Reaper Superweapon information? 

 

He kinda found it and then Hawkett decided that the Normandy was going to be the central point to coordinate the various war and build efforts while also being the ship sent in area under reaper assaults to recover super important assets (oh and being hunted by Reapers).

 

My only conclusion to that is that Hawkett is not a very good admiral...

[Drone223]

They didn't trust Shepard with the Crucible. They didn't even have the Crucible or know that it existed until Shepard gave it to them.
 

Seeing as how Shepard is frequently updated with its progress and the war effort its quite obvious that they trusted him/her.
 

Not the same at all.

 

See above.

 

Until he gets captured by Reaper forces. You future cannot be known. Just winging it because Shepard is a pretty cool guy doesn't make any sense.

 

 

Except that wouldn't be the case, Shepard is the sort of person who understands the need for secrecy. At its quite clear that people are confident in Shepard's abilities to not be captured.

 

How does anyone get indoctrinated against their will? Is Shepard immune to being captured?

 

I never said anything like that.

 

He kinda found it and then Hawkett decided that the Normandy was going to be the central point to coordinate the various war and build efforts while also being the ship sent in area under reaper assaults to recover super important assets (oh and being hunted by Reapers).

 

My only conclusion to that is that Hawkett is not a very good admiral...

Not really of a lot of people seem to trust Shepard with a lot of important stuff.

[azarhal]

 

Not really of a lot of people seem to trust Shepard with a lot of important stuff.

 

Putting the war effort coordinators aboard a ship that goes over what is basically enemy controlled territory is a retarded decision from a military point of view. Trusting Shepard isn't even part of that equation.