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[Steppenwolf]

No, I kind'a did.   It's a mystery box.   You like the idea of a vague looming threat.  We all do.  It's what got us all hooked.  As soon as we learned more though, you thought that it was dumb.  But you also know that stories need to have a middle and an end, correct?  I don't wanna sound overly critical here, but you sound to me like one of those kids who gets (or got) extremely excited on those camping trips telling ghost stories and about the fourth line in, "Awww man, this is dumb!  There's no insane asylum four miles up the road!"

 

Filling in details is one thing, making those details really stupid is another. The Reapers don't make any sense. At all. Are they people-goo robots or sentient ships? Why did they only turn humans into people-goo and none of the other races? If the Catalyst controls the Citadel then why did the Keepers have to unlock the Citadel's internal relay to let the Reapers through? Why didn't the Catalyst just shut off the life support on the Citadel and lock it off to kill everyone there? Why didn't the Reapers just hibernate in the galactic core with the Collectors instead of dicking around in dark space, years away? Where were the other races of modified victims like the Collectors? And on and on.

Nothing but stupid writing employing faulty logic and lack of forethought.

[goishen]

Filling in details is one thing, making those details really stupid is another. The Reapers don't make any sense. At all. Are they people-goo robots or sentient ships?

 

Why did they only turn humans into people-goo and none of the other races? If the Catalyst controls the Citadel then why did the Keepers have to unlock the Citadel's internal relay to let the Reapers through? Why didn't the Catalyst just shut off the life support on the Citadel and lock it off to kill everyone there? Why didn't the Reapers just hibernate in the galactic core with the Collectors instead of dicking around in dark space, years away? Where were the other races of modified victims like the Collectors? And on and on.

Nothing but stupid writing employing faulty logic and lack of forethought.

 

1.  Both.

2.  Who says that they didn't?  They just started with humans.

3.  Different networks.  Even in large organizations there are some places where the admin cannot get to by using his computer.  He has to physically walk there.

4.  Different networks.

5.  What if someone, no matter how unlikely, came through the Omega 4 relay and discovered their plot?  Plus, it just made sense to leave them behind.

6.  It is entirely possible that the Catalyst could have used any number of other races.   Especially with the 60K years limit that I've expressed before.  I don't care what the number is, I'm more than willing to bet you that in the next game you're going to see races dieing out.

[Steppenwolf]

1.  Both.

So each Reaper is two consciousnesses? The ships don't need the people-goo robots to function so what is the function of the people-goo robots?

2.  Who says that they didn't?  They just started with humans.

They were gearing up to hit Earth, which would out them on the galactic stage. Without secrecy and stealth the Collectors would have had no chance of harvesting the other races.

3.  Different networks.  Even in large organizations there are some places where the admin cannot get to by using his computer.  He has to physically walk there.
4.  Different networks.

OK, now you're just effing with me. That is straight up stupid.

5.  What if someone, no matter how unlikely, came through the Omega 4 relay and discovered their plot?  Plus, it just made sense to leave them behind.

Anyone can go through. It's surviving and making it back through that no one had ever done before. And how would anyone "discover their plot" simply by traveling through the Omega-4 relay? Are the Reapers sleep talkers?

6.  It is entirely possible that the Catalyst could have used any number of other races.   Especially with the 60K years limit that I've expressed before.  I don't care what the number is, I'm more than willing to bet you that in the next game you're going to see races dieing out.

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

[CrutchCricket]

You do realize that Mass Effect way back in 2005 was announced as a planned trilogy correct?

So even during the developmemt of ME1 they had a very vague idea of where they wanted to take the trilogy.

Irrelevant. If you don't know your game's going to sell, you're going to bring out the big guns from the start.

 

And, like it was pointed out, we haven't seen any evidence of planning.

 

The Protheans did buy the last circle more time, but I don't think it translated in it being better prepared to fight the reapers. It seems to me the Protheans were much better at war making than the currect circle.

It would've have been if the galactic leadership wasn't complete morons. Whether the Protheans were better at war or not never really came into play since they were ambushed like every other cycle before them.

 

Good sci-fi isn't your average action movie romp you just throw a malevolent figure into and say "Here's the bad guy. They're bad because they just are." People may still think the endings are bad. But if you take the main thing driving the narrative forward throughout the trilogy (stopping the Reaper threat) and boil them down to nothing but one dimensional cartoon villains, it would've been full-retard.

Yes, because that's the only alternatives. Dumb explanations or cartoon villain.

[GalacticWolf5]

 

Remember the Prothean mission on Ilos? They interrupted Sovereign's signal to wake the other Reapers.

 

Yeah, this was a nice ass pull decided around the time Arrival was written. I thought the Catalyst controlled the reapers, not Sovereign.

 

1. The signal doesn't wake the other Reapers, it makes the Keepers activate the Citadel Relay, but the Protheans altered the Keepers so that they ignore the signal sent every 50k years by the vanguard Reaper, Sovereign.

2. Actually, you get a message from Chorban explaining that the Keepers usually receive a signal every 50k years but now they don't.

3. Well yeah, the Catalyst controls the Reapers. Sovereign sends a signal to the Keepers, it doesn't control the Reapers.

[BioWareMod03]

Hello everyone. Please keep it civil in here so the thread can stay open. Thank you.

[ZoliCs]

Hello everyone. Please keep it civil in here so the thread can stay open. Thank you.

 

Not fair. We never get a warning in the multiplayer forum.

[goishen]

So each Reaper is two consciousnesses? The ships don't need the people-goo robots to function so what is the function of the people-goo robots?


They were gearing up to hit Earth, which would out them on the galactic stage. Without secrecy and stealth the Collectors would have had no chance of harvesting the other races.


OK, now you're just effing with me. That is straight up stupid.


Anyone can go through. It's surviving and making it back through that no one had ever done before. And how would anyone "discover their plot" simply by traveling through the Omega-4 relay? Are the Reapers sleep talkers?


I don't even know what you're talking about here.

 

1.  The two combined into a new reaper.  Remember Javik?  "DNA has a physiological marker." 

2.  You played Thessia, yes?  The reapers were harvesting there too.

3.  Remember Mars?  Remember the tram line?  Remember how it was "on a separate network"?

4.  If you find a mass of ships in the galactic core, what are you gonna do?  Radio back, "Hey, everything's all right."  Or are you gonna radio back, "There are an enormous amount of ships here..."  That is if you don't guess already that it's an invasion fleet.

5.  I'm talking about my theory that each civilization has a lifespan.  My theory was that it would be about 60K years.  I don't care about the number of years that it actually is.  My reason for thinking this is that for all we know, Andromeda has about a 4 billion year head start on the technology that we have.  That's a lotta years.

 

 

I'm not saying that it's not all explained away (so that there is no question) or even that some of it's not space magic.  It is, on both counts.  But at least it's explained.

[Steppenwolf]

1.  The two combined into a new reaper.  Remember Javik?  "DNA has a physiological marker." 
2.  You played Thessia, yes?  The reapers were harvesting there too.
3.  Remember Mars?  Remember the tram line?  Remember how it was "on a separate network"?
4.  If you find a mass of ships in the galactic core, what are you gonna do?  Radio back, "Hey, everything's all right."  Or are you gonna radio back, "There are an enormous amount of ships here..."  That is if you don't guess already that it's an invasion fleet.
5.  I'm talking about my theory that each civilization has a lifespan.  My theory was that it would be about 60K years.  I don't care about the number of years that it actually is.  My reason for thinking this is that for all we know, Andromeda has about a 4 billion years head start on the technology that we have.  That's a lotta years.

1. That's still nonsensical. Bits and pieces of destroyed Reaper ships still have will and the ability to indoctrinate. That means the people-goo robots serve no purpose.
2. In ME3? They were turning everyone into Reaper forces. They weren't turning them into goo.
3. WTF are you talking about? Why would the Catalyst lock itself out of key, core functionality of it's own home? Why would would it put sole responsibility to beginning the Reaper invasion on little cyborg dudes and then just never think about it, even after the invasion was already supposed to have begun? It's stupid.
4. You can't "radio back" from the galactic core, nor could you even confidently determine that a bunch of giant cuttlefish are a (sleeping)invading force. If people could just radio out of the galactic core then everyone would have known not to go through.
5. What is this theory of your relevant to? Certainly not anything I've said.

[goishen]

1. That's still nonsensical. Bits and pieces of destroyed Reaper ships still have will and the ability to indoctrinate. That means the people-goo robots serve no purpose.
2. In ME3? They were turning everyone into Reaper forces. They weren't turning them into goo.
3. WTF are you talking about? Why would the Catalyst lock itself out of key, core functionality of it's own home? Why would would it put sole responsibility to beginning the Reaper invasion on little cyborg dudes and then just never think about it, even after the invasion was already supposed to have begun? It's stupid.
4. You can't "radio back" from the galactic core, nor could you even confidently determine that a bunch of giant cuttlefish are a (sleeping)invading force. If people could just radio out of the galactic core then everyone would have known not to go through.
5. What is this theory of your relevant to? Certainly not anything I've said.

 

1.  Now you're getting into theory of why they needed people.  In theory, it was to facilitate the indoctrination process. 

2.  They were harvesting.

3.  Because they weren't key systems.

4.  If you saw a massive fleet off of the the coast of California and they weren't ours.  Would you be worried?

5. 

 

 

 

Where were the other races of modified victims like the Collectors?

 

It is most certainly validated.  

 

If they only live for a certain period of time, then they wouldn't there.  The collectors, being within that time frame...   Are still there.

 

5 A.  If you're talking about in Shepard's lifetime, it is thought that through years of indoctrination brought about the change that made a race a slave to the reapers.  Not months.

[Steppenwolf]

1.  Now you're getting into theory of why they needed people.  In theory, it was to facilitate the indoctrination process. 
2.  They were harvesting.
3.  Because they weren't key systems.
4.  If you saw a massive fleet off of the the coast of California and they weren't ours.  Would you be worried?

1. That makes no sense. The ships do the indoctrinating and they don't need the people-goo robots to do it. Just admit that it makes no sense.
2. Not for people-goo. Two completely different things.
3. Initiating the invasion each cycle isn't a key system? Are you just trolling me?
4. If I had no ability to communicate that threat to anyone then there would be nothing to do about it. Once you went through the Omega-4 relay that was it. No communications, no coming back.

5. It is most certainly validated.  
If they only live for a certain period of time, then they wouldn't there.  The collectors, being within that time frame...   Are still there.

So your theory, which has no basis in the actual games, explains that the Reapers can't even make a modified race that lasts longer than human already has? Are the Reapers just really bad at science?

[goishen]

K, now you're living in a dogmatic bubble that I couldn't pull you out of even if I wanted to, and it appears that you don't.

 

Have fun.  

[Steppenwolf]

K, now you're living in a dogmatic bubble that I couldn't pull you out of even if I wanted to, and it appears that you don't.
 
Have fun.

I guess you're unfamiliar with the concept of irony...

[BioWareMod03]

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