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[Garryydde]

That's not Black Ops II

[spinachdiaper]

No ghosts, but if you live in the south you may see some racists wearing white sheets in broad daylight.

[bmwcrazy]

[Vroom Vroom]

Nuuuu! Don't haunt me!  

 

*runs off to get user Fred Jones Rider*

[Cainhurst Crow]

In locations like that it was theorized(Not the best word for the subject) is that there are too many spirits and they just sort of blend together, creating more of an atmosphere than a haunting.

Could you explain to me everything you just said? Because it sounds like "Because there's a higher concentration of ghosts, the effect of ghosts decrease. " which is the opposite of hiw pretty much everything else in the world works.

[Gravisanimi]

Could you explain to me everything you just said? Because it sounds like "Because there's a higher concentration of ghosts, the effect of ghosts decrease. " which is the opposite of hiw pretty much everything else in the world works.

The effect is somewhat similar if you had more radio stations in the same area using the same frequency to broadcast in.

 

In most areas it would blend together to just make noise, without any music to be heard(or just tune into a country station).

 

And in this scenario, imagine someone's "ghost" being a radio broadcast to the future, and the more people that died, the hazier the one broadcast becomes, and the ghosts lose the individuality, and hence fade away.

[Cainhurst Crow]

The effect is somewhat similar if you had more radio stations in the same area using the same frequency to broadcast in.

 

In most areas it would blend together to just make noise, without any music to be heard(or just tune into a country station).

 

And in this scenario, imagine someone's "ghost" being a radio broadcast to the future, and the more people that died, the hazier the one broadcast becomes, and the ghosts lose the individuality, and hence fade away.

 

But even with those multiple radio stations, there's still some form of observable impact to those signals. The garbled noise is still distinguishable from either silence or the default static white noise of most signals. So shouldn't there be something to indicate this similar thing occurring in these areas?

[Gravisanimi]

But even with those multiple radio stations, there's still some form of observable impact to those signals. The garbled noise is still distinguishable from either silence or the default static white noise of most signals. So shouldn't there be something to indicate this similar thing occurring in these areas?

Yes, and that was the aforementioned "atmosphere".

 

They don't last long because ghosts without individuality or strong emotions don't last long, but consider a graveyard. Most consider would consider a place with such a haunting creepy or foreboding, because of the constant noise.

 

However without some sort of method of which the haunting can linger, such as a nearby water source, it fades into the white noise.

[Gravisanimi]

No.

I perfectly admit this is nothing but conjecture but the theory is still there and I do not intend to not answer questions when I can answer them.

 

It does not matter to me if someone believes in it or not, it's still a theory.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Yes, and that was the aforementioned "atmosphere".

 

They don't last long because ghosts without individuality or strong emotions don't last long, but consider a graveyard. Most consider would consider a place with such a haunting creepy or foreboding, because of the constant noise.

 

However without some sort of method of which the haunting can linger, such as a nearby water source, it fades into the white noise.

 

I am utterly baffled by all these definite statements and can only ask for your source and or proof of these assertions.

[Gravisanimi]

I am utterly baffled by all these definite statements and can only ask for your source and or proof of these assertions.

Oh, I said at the start this is all theory by someone else. I can see how some of it could be true, but I myself am doubtful of it.

 

I remember the data, but I don't remember the source, I apologize.

[mybudgee]

No. Ghosts do not exist. There is no valid scientific evidence that concretely proves their existence. Ghosts are largely based on superstitious and religious foundations. Their "existence" has been "confirmed" through "experiences" that can easily be explained by things like: perceptual dysfunction, drug use, lack of sleep, infrasound, geomagnetism, and carbon monoxide poisoning (exposure to which is more likely to happen in a run-down older residence vs. one of newer structure/updating).

 

Also here's the biggest likelihood behind most ghost sightings: Lying.

 

[Eternal Phoenix]

No. Ghosts do not exist. There is no valid scientific evidence that concretely proves their existence. Ghosts are largely based on superstitious and religious foundations. Their "existence" has been "confirmed" through "experiences" that can easily be explained by things like: perceptual dysfunction, drug use, lack of sleep, infrasound, geomagnetism, and carbon monoxide poisoning (exposure to which is more likely to happen in a run-down older residence vs. one of newer structure/updating).

 

Also here's the biggest likelihood behind most ghost sightings: Lying.

 

There are numerous reasons as to what is actually occurring before anyone should land on "it's a ghost." 

 

"Ghosts do not exist"

 

I was not aware God used the internet, let alone Bioware's forum but thanks for clearing that up my omniscient creator. I guess there is no such thing as spirits after-all.

 

No.

 

Which, being serious, is my exact response to your absolute claims too. I think we've already covered in this thread that half of the "evidence" and "sightings" of spirits can be explained by natural phenomenal but there remains others that cannot be explained by such.

 

As I said two pages back, given our lack of knowledge of this universe (not to mention our non-existent knowledge of possible other dimensions) I don't think anyone is at a position to make any absolute claim on the existence of spirits. Given that current physics considers other dimensions and realities probable, I see no reason to reject something that has traditionally been prescribed to another realm.

[Isichar]

Sure. And unicorns could exist in another plain of existence too and we can't disprove it.

[Voxr]

[mybudgee]

^ That Aaron meme is gold

 

[The Devlish Redhead]

Actually what I have an issue with are people who claim demons exist but in the same breath say ghosts do not exist. One or the other. They are both supernatural entities so how can one exist and not the other?

[Eternal Phoenix]

Sure. And unicorns could exist in another plain of existence too and we can't disprove it.

 
I take it you're a creationist then?
 
Because given evolution and the billions of planets in the universe with the potential for life, the likelihood of a horse creature with one horn on its head existing is highly probable. Not to mention a creature close to a unicorn existed a long time ago anyway, in fact back when humans were around actually and probably gave rise to the unicorn legends. Look up the Elasmotherium. Then there's the few deers that have been born with the rare deformity of having a horn at the centre of their head, so your point isn't a good counter since unicorns have been shown to be biologically possible creatures.
 
And before you invoke the old "flying invisible gay pink spaghetti man" argument, keep in mind we're talking about biology, not a literary device that we can be sure doesn't exist as a real creature on account of it being a walking contradiction and a piece of human made food (although I suppose you could make an argument about a time travelling gay man from the future dressed up in a pink spaghetti costume with a cloaking device to become invisible).
 
I do find skeptics funny though. They deny the existence of anything "supernatural" but according to the multiverse hypothesis many of them hold so dearly, there aren't just an infinite set of universes but realities too and we can assume they all have different laws from ours if they exist and organisms too. Given there's apparently an infinite amount (if we take what "scientists" like Lawrence Krauss like to say anyway), we could even assume that anything you can imagine might exist in one of these realities or universes in one form or another including an infinite amount of god entities. 

 

In any case, considering there are studies giving data that supports claims that consciousness survives after-death, I think it's fairer to take my position rather than an utter denial position. In fact here's a news report I dug up from a team of doctors who have conducted research for over four years:

 

http://www.telegraph...ific-study.html

 

Also, what of all the animals that have died? Even tiny insects? What about their ghosts? Are there virtually trillions of ghosts out there haunting everything from a creaky old mansion to the smallest of daffodil? lmfao

 

Clearly your concept of an afterlife comes from a Judeo-Christianity view to make a comment like this. Dharmic religions cover this with the idea of the cycle of rebirth for every living thing whereas the Abrahamic religions don't touch on animal souls. Also, one might argue that humans forge stronger connections to the earth than insects (which have different minds than us, often hive-minds) explaining why one's spirit might remain.

 

 

[The Devlish Redhead]

 
I do find skeptics funny though. They deny the existence of anything "supernatural" but according to the multiverse hypothesis many of them hold so dearly, there aren't just an infinite set of universes but realities too and we can assume they all have different laws from ours if they exist and organisms too. Given there's apparently an infinite amount (if we take what "scientists" like Lawrence Krauss like to say anyway), we could even assume that anything you can imagine might exist in one of these realities or universes in one form or another including an infinite amount of god entities. 

 

 

I am an atheist but I also believe in the multiverse theory and that there are an infinite variation in what could be life in other universes so a god like being isn't out of the realm of possibility in one of those universes, I just don't think they exist  in our universe.  Hey like Douglas Adams wrote there could be a universe with sentient clipboards and office supplies.

 

What amuses me are the people that say a ghost can't exist but demons are real. You can't have one or the other can you? Both are supernatural entities...

[SwobyJ]

Plenty of skeptics don't believe in anything like multiverse theory, etc, until it can be experienced, and measured, and proven. Theories remain theories. 'Creationism' is a theory, it is also a very very weak one (so more like a hypothesis) so far compared to the theory of evolution, and therefore is best to put in a cultural studies or religion (well, I was in Catholic school) class and not science class, not until it is better testable and practically proven (though there is no absolute proof of anything, sure). Even theoretical physics has a set of growing rules, tools, and counter points meant to challenge it continuously.

 

Culturally based feelings can intersect with science at times. I'm fine with that. But not intervention and assumption that one should be the other. Yes, technically science is a culture. Yes, technically culturally based beliefs is a way of understanding the world. But the productivity of science only weakens if you fully assume or even preoccupy your science based on it. Test for ghosts, go ahead, but understand it is pseudoscience until an actually useful discovery occurs.

[Jstatham1227]

I don't know, but their's a lot of things that can't be explain scientifically.