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[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I don't know, but

 

Your avatar... AJ's pawn.

He's a

"I don't know, but I'm fine with it, alright? Let's do it."

person!

[Jstatham1227]

Your avatar... AJ's pawn.

He's a

"I don't know, but I'm fine with it, alright? Let's do it."

person!

 

and your.........fan head guy? lel

[Isichar]

Your avatar... AJ's pawn.

He's a

"I don't know, but I'm fine with it, alright? Let's do it."

person!

 

Wouldn't he be more like AJ's rook?

 

The "angry army" fans would be more like the pawns

[Eternal Phoenix]

I am an atheist but I also believe in the multiverse theory and that there are an infinite variation in what could be life in other universes so a god like being isn't out of the realm of possibility in one of those universes, I just don't think they exist  in our universe.  Hey like Douglas Adams wrote there could be a universe with sentient clipboards and office supplies.
 
What amuses me are the people that say a ghost can't exist but demons are real. You can't have one or the other can you? Both are supernatural entities...

The multiverse remains plausible in current science although my model of it is different from the one I mentioned, I think there's many different universes and dimensions but wouldn't be too sure about there being an infinite amount of self-replicating universes.

 

The laws in each dimension and universe would be of course different from our own, one universe might even be a conscious sentient organism, another universe might even have beings with the ability to travel between dimensions, another with creatures made of pure energy but we'd probably never know one way or another.

 

Even if we had FTL travel we'd never explore the entirety of our universe let alone whatever lies beyond (if such a thing is even possible).

 

So it amuses me when there are people who say "spirits don't exist" but then believe in alternative realities and dimensions where things we'd consider supernatural in our own universe probably exist. Beings of pure energy do not exist our universe but in another dimension where the laws are different or don't exist at all? Probably. I'm sure one universe might even have creatures that are not physical who are laughing right now at one of their scientists speculating about creatures of physical forms existing.

 

And we still don't know anything about dimensions. When speaking about dimensions, are we talking about dimensions within our own universe or something greater that may encompass all universes and the entire "multiverse"? Perhaps the universes are just bubbles within a greater bubble.

 

As for your last statement, I suppose that's answered in whether you believe in God or not. I know some who will believe in spirits but don't believe in God (likewise, there are those who believe in God but no spirit, the sadducees of the time of Jesus were notable for this as they rejected the existence of an afterlife, angels and demons but held a firm belief in Judaism and God). Either demons are fallen angels, made by God to punish people, separate entities that formed by themselves or simply evil spirits depending on a person's belief.

[Voxr]

Have you no fedoras? The seeds of doubt and reason can be sown only so far without one.

[Eternal Phoenix]

D-did...did s-someone say f-f-f-FEDORA?

 

 

 

[The Devlish Redhead]

Have you no fedoras? The seeds of doubt and reason can be sown only so far without one.

 

 

And if you buy the right hat you can open doors and travel the city without needing a vehicle

 

Just don't turn the handle to the left that's only for "them"

[Jstatham1227]

[Dermain]

Every time I think I have seen a ghost I instantly raise my hands in surrender and beg them not to appear visibly/harm anyone. So far it has worked most of the time, but I am unsure of whether that's because ghosts actually exist or if it's all in my mind. 

 

Now for the replies:

 

If ghosts truly did exist we would have an overwhelming amount of evidence by now to show that they do. There are literally thousands of teams out in the field doing research and performing investigations of ghosts and they have all come up empty handed. Another thing to keep in mind is that the ghost hunting business is a very lucrative one for those who are interested in turning a profit. It's important for television networks and those selling merchandise to keep the public interested in the ghost phenomenon.

 

As for my personal opinion on the matter, I am open to the idea of some energy perhaps lingering on after death, but I wouldn't say I believe in ghosts in the traditional sense.

 

I think we already waste enough money searching for bigfoot.

 

That had me chuckling for quite sometime.

 

Don't know. Maybe? I mean, life seems too short for it to be over after we die. Like where does our consciousness come from? Where does it go after death? Is it all simply chemical reactions in our brain? Or something else? What makes you the only you? That thing that distinguishes you from others. Personally. I don't really care.I plan to live for as long as possible so its a question I rather not discover any time soon.

 

I am of the belief that people aren't really "special" (minus the occasional outlier). There's too many people in the world for us to all be "unique". People fit a certain archetype, and throughout their life they rarely (if ever) deviate from it. 

 

I'm pretty sure one lives in my cupboard under the stairs.

 

Stop hiding children in there!

 

Yes, and that was the aforementioned "atmosphere".

 

They don't last long because ghosts without individuality or strong emotions don't last long, but consider a graveyard. Most consider would consider a place with such a haunting creepy or foreboding, because of the constant noise.

 

However without some sort of method of which the haunting can linger, such as a nearby water source, it fades into the white noise.

 

What does a source of water have to do with it exactly?

 

Sure. And unicorns could exist in another plain of existence too and we can't disprove it.

 

As one of my history professors liked to sarcastically claim, unicorns no longer exist because there are no more female virgins to sacrifice to them...   

[Gravisanimi]

What does a source of water have to do with it exactly?

According to ghost investigators, and in all likelihood pure coincidence, most areas that are "haunted" have moving bodies of water near them, rivers, creeks, even underground streams, and this somehow supplies the power for spirits to manifest, by means of either static or kinetic energy via the moving water.

[mybudgee]

According to ghost investigators, and in all likelihood pure coincidence, most areas that are "haunted" have moving bodies of water near them, rivers, creeks, even underground streams, and this somehow supplies the power for spirits to manifest, by means of either static or kinetic energy via the moving water.

Or via some like, totally rad spiritual energy source that we just, like, cannot even comprehend man!

[The Devlish Redhead]

Or via some like, totally rad spiritual energy source that we just, like, cannot even comprehend man!

Only if you are stoned 

[Eternal Phoenix]

Jstatham1227,

 

for every

 

 

there are 10

 

 

Once the epitome of coolness, atheists adopted the hat in one final attempt to attack God. It probably didn't work but the rest of humanity is now suffering for it, for indeed, Christians have their crosses, Sikhs have their turbans and atheists now have their fedoras.

 

Also turbans can be ridiculously awesome unlike fedoras...

 

 

[Sully13]

my hat rocks though. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Also turbans can be ridiculously awesome unlike fedoras...

 

 

 

 

 

[nebu187]

No. And I want them to. There are a few people taken from this world far too early who I would dearly love to see, or speak to, or feel their presence again, even if it's just one more time. Yet seemingly every "ghost" people encounter is not only a complete stranger but some anti-social jerk with a sour disposition. Now how the heck does that figure? That, say, your best friend, who died when you were both kids, and presumably wants to get a message to you specifically, can't navigate his way out of limbo....but some idiot named Jebediah Sprogg, who died in 1762 having never washed his balls even once - that clueless stinky bastard has managed to somehow rent a room in your house and develop a hard-on for you at the same time, and won't stop loosening the top of your salt and pepper shakers.

It's not that I don't think there are things in this world without rational explanations; there are. And I love the tingling shiver up my spine of a good, unnerving ghost story. But I'm afraid I find the idea of ghosts less believable than the idea that "ghosts" are the mischief played upon us by demons, who - being demons - wish to trick us into the false hope that somehow, a kind of life will continue for us after we die.

[SwobyJ]

How did that fedora thing happen anyway?

[Voxr]

How did that fedora thing happen anyway?

In a word: Euphoria.

 

Really though it's just a stereotype/meme of sorts. But stereotypes come from somewhere so, I imagine there are plenty of angsthiests* who wear them.

 

My biggest problem with fedora athiests is none of them know how to appropriately pair a piece of headgear like that to the rest of their attire. 

 

*Angsthiest: Angst ridden reddit/internet atheists usually between the age of 13-45. Who read the first 1/4th On The Origin of Species and the inside flap of The God Delusion and call themselves informed. Also Reddit.

Spoiler

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

*Angsthiest: Angst ridden reddit/internet atheists usually between the age of 13-45. Who read the first 1/4th On The Origin of Species and the inside flap of The God Delusion and call themselves informed. Also Reddit.

Spoiler

 

The Euphoria is strong in this one! lol

 

He's the most famous Angstheist celebrity on the interwebz!

[Isichar]

The irony for me is that the only people I've ever met IRL that wear fedoras are both Christians.

[mybudgee]

The irony for me is that the only people I've ever met IRL that wear fedoras are both Christians.

or spies

 

[Jorji Costava]

So this is tangential, but will become relevant (I promise!): There is a fairly popular evo psych hypothesis called "Hyperactive agency detection" ('agent,' in this context, is jargon for a being that's capable of conscious thought and action). To illustrate this, suppose you hear some leaves rustling around; is it better, from an evolutionary point of view, to assume that this unexplained sound is due to the activity of some agent (say a potential predator or mate) or just the result of wind and whatnot?

Seems pretty clear that the answer to this question is the former. If you assume something is an agent when it isn't, the costs to you are minimal; you waste some energy fleeing or chasing. If you assume something is not an agent when it is, the cost can be quite serious: death. Thus, our agency detection is hyperactive: It is heavily biased in favor of false positives, because that's beneficial from an evolutionary POV.

If this makes any sense (and everything in evo psych is pretty much contested territory at this point), then it's plausible to say that the tendency to believe in ghosts, spirits and other supernatural agents is largely a symptom of our hyperactive agent detection misfiring; it's just an especially elaborate false positive.

[Voxr]

If ghosts don't exist then how is larry king still alive?

 

Checkmate Atheists. 

Thanks Jaden

[Dermain]

So this is tangential, but will become relevant (I promise!): There is a fairly popular evo psych hypothesis called "Hyperactive agency detection" ('agent,' in this context, is jargon for a being that's capable of conscious thought and action). To illustrate this, suppose you hear some leaves rustling around; is it better, from an evolutionary point of view, to assume that this unexplained sound is due to the activity of some agent (say a potential predator or mate) or just the result of wind and whatnot?

Seems pretty clear that the answer to this question is the former. If you assume something is an agent when it isn't, the costs to you are minimal; you waste some energy fleeing or chasing. If you assume something is not an agent when it is, the cost can be quite serious: death. Thus, our agency detection is hyperactive: It is heavily biased in favor of false positives, because that's beneficial from an evolutionary POV.

If this makes any sense (and everything in evo psych is pretty much contested territory at this point), then it's plausible to say that the tendency to believe in ghosts, spirits and other supernatural agents is largely a symptom of our hyperactive agent detection misfiring; it's just an especially elaborate false positive.

 

It's also theorized that this is why we experience anxiety, and that since we no longer face the same threats our ancestors did it's causing people to end up with anxiety disorders.