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[MisterJB]

I'm still curious what Fiona's original plan was.

 

The Divine allows a conclave, Fiona hijacks it and calls for a vote on independence.

Let's say Lambert didn't interfere and the vote passed. What happens then?

They were around a dozen First Enchanters in the middle of Val-Royeaux, the seat of the Chantry and Orlesian Empire. They were surrounded by dozens of Seekers, dozens of thousands of Templars, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, chevaliers and bards and possibly millions of regular citizens.

And we have no evidence whatsoever the mages had any alliances or spy network or trade agreements or blackmail material or anything at all going for them. In fact, Fiona's official stance was "F*ck the Divine!"

 

What was the plan? The Templars just accept losing their jobs because a dozen mages voted on something and they open the doors of the Circle?

[Sifr]

As far as plans go, it wasn't particularly brilliant, you're right?

 

We needed more information on Fiona's goals, means and methods, as well as that of the Libertarian fraternity who've had years to come up with some kind gameplan for what happened if they ever actually did get the vote to leave the Circle?

 

"And what then?" is one of the biggest problems when it comes to the Mage Rebellion, because the question is never answered?

 

I think one of the biggest flaws in Inquisition was the sheer lack of resolution to the entire Mage-Templar situation and the goals and motivations behind those on either side of the coin, information that we as players desperately needed to know? As I've said elsewhere, the biggest issue I have with it is that it never really resolves, it just sorta stops?

[Sunnie]

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Seriously, break the ? key off your keyboard since you seem to end every sentence with it incorrectly.

[chrstnmonks]

We don't know that they allowed anything or even knew?

 

Clemence says that Alexius wanted the Tranquil out of Redcliffe and that he's still around implies that the Tranquil didn't disappear all at once, but were probably picked off one by one to avoid raising any eyebrows? Everyone assumed they simply left or wandered off?

Seems to me that the Tranquil where killed in that house. One would think that someone would here the screaming and smell blood,no? 

[Deztyn]

It's actually really entertaining to watch how those goalposts keep moving.

I'll keep playing.

 

How was the Templar threat imaginary,

It was imaginary because there was no Templar Army bearing down on Redcliffe to kill all the mages. Which was Fiona's excuse for allying with Alexius. As I am sure you are aware.
 

since you bring up Asunder, weren't the Templars the ones who formally broke the Nevarran Accord, but rather than collaberate with the Chantry on how to proceed with the matter, decided to instead flip the Divine off and go wage war on the Mages on their own? Hardly seems like they weren't being the open aggressors in the conflict, or at least, the people at the top weren't?

The Divine flipped the Templars off first. When she aided an incursion into the White Spire that cost the lives of many Templars whose only crime was being Templars posted in the White Spire. She killed her own people for doing their jobs.

Then of course, Fiona flipped her off.

Karma.
 

The real issue is the matter of the time travel tomfoolery, because clearly when Fiona (if that was her) meets us in Val Royeaux, she was open to an alliance with the Inquisition and believed that it was the best option?
 
Then when we get to Redcliffe, we find out that Fiona met Alexius two days after the Conclave blew up, about a day before the Inquisition was called... talk about good timing, huh? It's almost like Alexius was somehow able to go back in time to before the Inquisition even existed and to a point where Fiona was desperate and had no other options but to agree to his demands?

Alexius used his time magic to contact Fiona before she contacted the Inquisition.

It was still her choice to ally with him.

Time magic didn't make her do it.
 

And how would it look to the crown exactly when the Divine is killed, the Conclave held at the most holiest place in Thedas blew up and the Sky ripped open? Do you really think that after Kirkwall was plunged into chaos in a similarly attack by a rogue mage, everyone wouldn't point to the crown letting mages set up shop in Redcliffe as "proof" that clearly they were responsible and call for their immediate eviction?

You are aware that Kirkwall was plunged into chaos in a similar attack by a rogue mage before the mage rebellion was granted sanctuary in Redcliffe? That Redcliffe itself may have been entirely wiped out by a single mage abomination a few years before that? And that the crown invited them in anyway?
 

Yeah, the mages are innocent, but no-one else knows that? No wonder Alistair/Anora are so freaking hacked off when they get there, they've probably had every member for the bannorn from the highest teyrn to the lowest stableboy pointing and saying "Told you so!" for the last couple weeks?

Alistair and Anora are hacked off because she handed Redcliffe over to the enemy. Like they said. When they arrived. All freaking hacked off.
  

My position is that blaming one woman for the failure of the entire Rebellion is ridiculous?
 
The responsibility and the blame for how screwed up the rebellion went, even before Redcliffe, lies on everyone involved, not just the woman who happened to put forth the vote on the entire thing? Heck, if you want to blame someone unduly, blame Rhys, didn't he swing the vote?

I blame Cole for murdering the Mages.

I blame Adrian for murdering Pharamond.

I blame Pharamond for being possessed and slaughtering the people of Adamant.

I blame Wynne for being a hypocrite and not standing up for her principles over her emotions.

I blame the Divine for acting like a bard instead of a real leader.

I blame Irving for deciding that popping out of an Aequitarian vagina was sufficient cause for someone to vote for all of the Aequitarians-- even if that someone was a lifelong Libertarian.

I blame Rhys for being Rhys.

I blame a lot of people for a lot of things.

Funny thing though. Blaming other people for their mistakes and their bad actions doesn't actually absolve Fiona of responsibility for hers.

[Sifr]

Seriously, break the ? key off your keyboard since you seem to end every sentence with it incorrectly.

 

Hadn't really noticed, could be a force of habit, verbal tic or simply an enjoyment of asking leading questions?

 

As a side note, is there a way to ask a question incorrectly?

 

Seems to me that the Tranquil where killed in that house. One would think that someone would here the screaming and smell blood,no? 

 

Except for any lack of blood or bodies in that hut... so it seems that was simply the area where they put the skulls on the posts?

 

Since even the Inquisitor is able to affix skulls to staves and no-one raises an eyebrow, I'm not certain that anyone would really probe that hard into where these particular skulls were coming from? We know people were wondering who was making them, but it wasn't answered until we picked that lock?

[Eggpop]

Except for any lack of blood or bodies in that hut... so it seems that was simply the area where they put the skulls on the posts?

 

Since even the Inquisitor is able to affix skulls to staves and no-one raises an eyebrow, I'm not certain that anyone would really probe that hard into where these particular skulls were coming from? We know people were wondering who was making them, but it wasn't answered until we picked that lock?

 

I think putting a random skull on staves and killing people for the sake of their skulls are 2 different things :u...

 

And why do you think no one would probe into this, that no one knew until the Inquisitor happen to opened the house in the middle of a town? And not link it to the disappearance of the Tranquils with their arcane knowledge?

 

I doubt all mages were oblivious to this. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually tolerated this considering the animosity some mages have towards the Tranquils. This isn't a leading question, just you brushing off suspicion :Y

[Sifr]

It's actually really entertaining to watch how those goalposts keep moving.

I'll keep playing.

 

I've not been the one moving the goalposts to make Fiona responsible for everything?

 

It was imaginary because there was no Templar Army bearing down on Redcliffe to kill all the mages. Which was Fiona's excuse for allying with Alexius. As I am sure you are aware.

 

Not so imaginary considering that when Alexius arrived two days after the Conclave explosion and before the Inquisition's formation, we have no way of knowing whether or not the Templars weren't right outside the gates?

 

As Vale tells us when we first enter into the Hinterlands, the Templars had only just been recalled to Val Royeaux, meaning until very recently, there was a heavy Templars presence in the area, which the amount of rogue Templars that have ignored the call backs up?

 

The Divine flipped the Templars off first. When she aided an incursion into the White Spire that cost the lives of many Templars whose only crime was being Templars posted in the White Spire. She killed her own people for doing their jobs.

Then of course, Fiona flipped her off.

Karma.

 

The Divine is the head of the Chantry, thus the one to whom the Templar ultimately answer to. She permitted the assembly at the White Spire to take place to discuss the issues of the cure for Tranquility, despite Lambert's heavy protests that such a meeting not take place, so she tried to appease him by agreeing that Pharamond should be made Tranquil once more?

 

That he then decided to break up the meeting and imprison everyone, left her with little recourse but to send in Leliana to aid in the mages? Lambert had shown himself to be insubordinate and clearly had no interest in actually allowing her to attempt to find some solution to the situation that didn't resort to stomping down on it like a jackbooted thug?

 

Alexius used his time magic to contact Fiona before she contacted the Inquisition. It was still her choice to ally with him.

Time magic didn't make her do it.

 

Because at the point when Alexius arrived, the Inquisition didn't exist, so she didn't know she had any other option but to agree?

 

By the time she'd learned of the Inquisition in the new timeline, it was too late and that the damage had already been done?

You are aware that Kirkwall was plunged into chaos in a similar attack by a rogue mage before the mage rebellion was granted sanctuary in Redcliffe? That Redcliffe itself may have been entirely wiped out by a single mage abomination a few years before that? And that the crown invited them in anyway?

 
Which wasn't a particularly popular decision and when the Conclave blew up, how many people do you think said "I told you so?"

 

Alistair and Anora are hacked off because she handed Redcliffe over to the enemy. Like they said. When they arrived. All freaking hacked off.

 

Alexius annexed the town. All Fiona did was want to get her people into Tevinter. How was that handing it to the enemy?

I blame Cole for murdering the Mages.

I blame Adrian for murdering Pharamond.

I blame Pharamond for being possessed and slaughtering the people of Adamant.

I blame Wynne for being a hypocrite and not standing up for her principles over her emotions.

I blame the Divine for acting like a bard instead of a real leader.

I blame Irving for deciding that popping out of an Aequitarian vagina was sufficient cause for someone to vote for all of the Aequitarians-- even if that someone was a lifelong Libertarian.

I blame Rhys for being Rhys.

I blame a lot of people for a lot of things.

Funny thing though. Blaming other people for their mistakes and their bad actions doesn't actually absolve Fiona of responsibility for hers.

 

And once again, have to point out that I've never said Fiona is not without any blame whatsoever, just that she's not the sole person to blame when it's really a combined clusterfrack from everyone involved? Thus far, aside from a lack of plan when it came to the rebellion, most of the accusations against her don't hold much water when you come to look at it, since there's very little concrete evidence to either acquit or condemn her for them?

[Sifr]

I think putting a random skull on staves and killing people for the sake of their skulls are 2 different things :u...

 

And why do you think no one would probe into this, that no one knew until the Inquisitor happen to opened the house in the middle of a town? And not link it to the disappearance of the Tranquils with their arcane knowledge?

 

I doubt all mages were oblivious to this. I wouldn't be surprised if some actually tolerated this considering the animosity some mages have towards the Tranquils. This isn't a leading question, just you brushing off suspicion :Y

 

Both are as creepy as they come though, so it's not like seeing skulls on things is exactly new? Veilfire is held in a skull lamp after all?

 

Why do you (and so many others) think that all the mages were complicit in this mass-murder of the Tranquil? Even if they don't like the Tranquil and find them unnerving, it doesn't seem to be particularly their style to simply kill them off in such a brutal fashion, especially when you factor in that the Venatori are the only ones currently looking into the shards and attempting to get into Solassan Temple, not the rebels?

 

Perhaps some of the mages did figure it out and decided to stay quiet, but we've got very little evidence to suggest either way about whether they did or did not know what was going on? Which is actually the main problem of this entire thread, the evidence against the rebellion is simply too flimsy for us to actually know either way about what was going on?

[Eggpop]

Both are as creepy as they come though, so it's not like seeing skulls on things is exactly knew? Veilfire is held in a skull lamp after all?

 

Why do you (and so many others) think that all the mages were complicit in this mass-murder of the Tranquil? Even if they don't like the Tranquil and find them unnerving, it doesn't seem to be particularly their style to simply kill them off in such a brutal fashion, especially when you factor in that the Venatori are the only ones currently looking into the shards and attempting to get into Solassan Temple, not the rebels?

 

Perhaps some of the mages did figure it out and decided to stay quiet, but we've got very little evidence to suggest either way about whether they did or did not know what was going on? Which is actually the main problem of this entire thread, the evidence against the rebellion is simply too flimsy for us to actually know either way about what was going on?

 

New* you mean? Anyway both being creepy doesn't equate them of being the same. People were killed for the sake of using their skulls while we can doubt that the Inquisitor killed someone just to put a nice decoration on their staves.

 

And hold down your paranoia just because I disagree with 1 point you've made. Because I don't like generalizing people for being mages. However, even you must know that Tranquils weren't always welcomed in the Circles particularly for those who interpreted their presence as an everyday reminder of what they could be, what they could forced to be, what their fate could be by being stuck in the tower, the brutality and abuse of rite etc, especially for the Libertarian fraternity who wants the Circle to be dissolved for many reasons including ones above. It's not about their 'style'; before mages they are people, and people are diverse in such way that some are capable of tolerating and even assisting brutal methods like this. We have clearly seen that there are some faction among the rebels who condone social system of Tevinter (even admiring them), so why brush off the possibilities of bad apples among the mages as 'we don't have enough evidence to prove that some people can be really really evil'. This isn't painting the mages as evil bastards as a whole, but that some mages have likely taken their part in producing the massacre.

[Lumix19]

Apparently finding a group of people unnerving is enough to make you condone genocide. Is that seriously the accusation people are leveling against the mages?

[Sifr]

Apparently finding a group of people unnerving is enough to make you condone genocide. Is that seriously the accusation people are leveling against the mages?

 

Yeah, apparently so?

 

Then again, one of the other counter-arguments earlier was that I use question marks too often. Also that I made a typo...

 

Which just confirms that not only was Fiona complicit in the genocide, but planned to create a themepark ride with the skulls?

 

Yeah, at this point I think sense has left the thread entirely and it's probably worth following it, because it might have found the buffet?

 

[Eggpop]

Apparently finding a group of people unnerving is enough to make you condone genocide. Is that seriously the accusation people are leveling against the mages?

 

Because I clearly said 'I condone all of mages in Thedas to be murderous mongrals based on a faction of them hating on the Tranquils exclamation mark exclamation mark exclamation mark'

 

And no, for some mages the existence of Tranquil goes far beyond from being simply unnerving. Also the rebel mages are a band of people with variety of political viewpoints huddled together with the leading libertarian fraternity by the outburst of chaos. So I don't know why some people simply paint them as refugees who wants nothing more than freedom in their life. Some wants to go back to the circles but ended up with the rebels so as to not get outright killed by the rogue mages and templars, and some (like that mage who loves Tevinter) wants more political power for the mages at the cost of doing the exact same thing that oppresses the mages on the mundane.

 

So tell me if I'm being biased by questioning a portion of rebel mages admiring the Tevinter baddies and their dehumanization of the Tranquils that have likely resulted in them taking part in the massacre.  

[CosmicGnosis]

Yeah, I want to make it clear that I never intended for this thread to be Mage vs. Templar. It's supposed to be about Fiona and the reason why she sticks with the Venatori if you don't save the mages. And yes, I suspect some form of mind control is involved, because it would strain all credibility for Fiona to willingly follow Corypheus. 

 

Patrick Weekes almost confirmed that mind control was used, but he wanted David Gaider to offer the definitive answer. So could someone please tweet Gaider and ask for clarification? I know he doesn't want to be an on-call encyclopedia, so if he doesn't respond, then so be it. 

 

This is the Weekes tweet:

 

https://mobile.twitt...168908223062016

[Master Warder Z_]

There is no in game evidence to support mind control

[Sifr]

There is no in game evidence to support mind control

 

While there's no evidence in game, it does fit his style?

 

Corypheus uses his ability to manipulate the Taint to control the Wardens, Red Templars and his Red Lyrium Dragon. He also uses Nightmare to mentally influence the Wardens to throw them off balance by creating a False Calling.

 

He intended to use Blood Magic to bind an army of demons under his command, while on the Templar path, you learn that he was planning to use it on Calpernia to prevent her rebelling because he knew she didn't fully trust him.

 

Why would he use mindscrew tactics on all those people, but not consider using it on the Mages to get them to bend to his will?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why would he use mindscrew tactics on all those people, but not consider using it on the Mages to get them to bend to his will?

Because then the Mages wouldn't be evil and need to be put down like dogs, Sifr.

[Sifr]

Because then the Mages wouldn't be evil and need to be put down like dogs, Sifr.

 

Guess that's the reason so many people don't like Awakened Darkspawn either, it really ruins being the badass monster and mage exterminator when you add some moral ambiguity into the equation?

 

"Look, that Mage/Darkspawn is whistling, kill it!"

 

[Deztyn]

I've not been the one moving the goalposts to make Fiona responsible for everything?

 

Hmmm.

It would be more accurate to say that you were the one moving the goalposts in an attempt to prove that Fiona is not responsible for anything.

 

Not so imaginary considering that when Alexius arrived two days after the Conclave explosion and before the Inquisition's formation, we have no way of knowing whether or not the Templars weren't right outside the gates?
 
As Vale tells us when we first enter into the Hinterlands, the Templars had only just been recalled to Val Royeaux, meaning until very recently, there was a heavy Templars presence in the area, which the amount of rogue Templars that have ignored the call backs up?

 

Fiona says "We were certain the templars were coming."

 

Not that they were there.

 

They never came.

 

She was wrong. .
 
 

The Divine is the head of the Chantry, thus the one to whom the Templar ultimately answer to. She permitted the assembly at the White Spire to take place to discuss the issues of the cure for Tranquility, despite Lambert's heavy protests that such a meeting not take place, so she tried to appease him by agreeing that Pharamond should be made Tranquil once more?
 
That he then decided to break up the meeting and imprison everyone, left her with little recourse but to send in Leliana to aid in the mages? Lambert had shown himself to be insubordinate and clearly had no interest in actually allowing her to attempt to find some solution to the situation that didn't resort to stomping down on it like a jackbooted thug?

 

Instead of creating a situation that would guarantee the deaths of loyal templars who were ignorant of Lambert's powerplay and cause any templar in Thedas who learned of her involvement to question her authority, she could have just removed Lambert.

She has a hand that is very good at shanking people.

For all his talents, we know that Lambert is rather susceptible to a good shanking.
 

Because at the point when Alexius arrived, the Inquisition didn't exist, so she didn't know she had any other option but to agree?
 
By the time she'd learned of the Inquisition in the new timeline, it was too late and that the damage had already been done?

 
It was her choice to ally with him rather than not ally with him.

Inquisition or no inquisition.

Not agreeing.

 

That was her option.

 

Which wasn't a particularly popular decision and when the Conclave blew up, how many people do you think said "I told you so?"

 

Utterly irrelevent. That is not why they were banished. They were banished for aiding an enemy hostile power.
 

Alexius annexed the town. All Fiona did was want to get her people into Tevinter. How was that handing it to the enemy?

"When I granted your mages sanctuary. I thought it was understood that they would not force my people from their homes."
"Your majesty. let me assure you. We never intended any of this..."
"Your intentions ceased to matter when my people were threatened."

Queen Anora doesn't agree with you. And I assume she has spoken to Teagan. And I am quite positive that you never did.

So I will take her words over your faith in Fiona.
 
 

And once again, have to point out that I've never said Fiona is not without any blame whatsoever, just that she's not the sole person to blame when it's really a combined clusterfrack from everyone involved? Thus far, aside from a lack of plan when it came to the rebellion, most of the accusations against her don't hold much water when you come to look at it, since there's very little concrete evidence to either acquit or condemn her for them?

You've never said those words. No. But you certainly seem determined to absolve her of everything anyone ever brings up that in anyway criticizes her. Including a lack of plan when it comes to the rebellion. As you did right here:
 

The fault of the Rebellion isn't Fiona's management, it's simply too large for it's own good and hasn't got a proper leadership infrastructure in place to cope with the crisis that they're facing? Aside from Fiona, do we see any kind of leadership at all, any kind of secondary people in charge of running things? It doesn't seem to be anyone stepping up to help take charge of things, meaning that the Rebellion is operating like a flat filled with lazy roomates that refuse to clean up, pay the bills or do the dishes... so eventually, things start breaking down, the power goes off and the toilet clogs?

Does that make Fiona a bad leader, or does that just mean that we're seeing what happens to a group when it becomes too large to be managed properly and it's all left to one person to make all the decisions?

and here:
 

Do you have any idea how many rebellions and uprising, even with good leadership and infrastructure backing them, ultimately fail because of the simplest things going wrong to ruin everything? We hear about a lot of the First Enchanters and Senior Enchanters being killed when various Circles fell, doubtless a lot of the people that Fiona probably hoped would pick up some of the slack?

That doesn't make her a bad leader, that just makes her a leader with some extremely bad luck.

Or is there some significant difference that I am not seeing between her rebellion being mismanaged from the beginning, and her having no plan for the rebellion?

[Sifr]

Hmmm.

It would be more accurate to say that you were the one moving the goalposts in an attempt to prove that Fiona is not responsible for anything.

 

Considering this thread has at points devolved into bickering over attempted genocide in an attempt to prove her guilty, I really don't think anyone can claim I'm the one who's moving the goal posts, I've kept playing football while you lot have been changing the game to snooker?

 

Fiona says "We were certain the templars were coming."

 

Not that they were there.

 

They never came.

 

She was wrong.

 

Which completely ignores that we know the Templars were in the Hinterlands and fighting the Rebellion right before they recalled to Val Royeaux?

 

Instead of creating a situation that would guarantee the deaths of loyal templars who were ignorant of Lambert's powerplay and cause any templar in Thedas who learned of her involvement to question her authority, she could have just removed Lambert.

She has a hand that is very good at shanking people.

For all his talents, we know that Lambert is rather susceptible to a good shanking.

 

That she'd have to remove him at all kinda reflects poorly on her though? Not to say that you're wrong, she should have replaced him, but the whole point of Orlais that they don't ever do the sane thing to do when faced with a problem, they do the thing that allows them to save face?

 

It was her choice to ally with him rather than not ally with him.

Inquisition or no inquisition.

Not agreeing.

 

That was her option.

 

Against Templars and ill-will from everyone in Thedas in the direct aftermath of the Divine's death? Wonder why she'd feel backed into a corner and felt like she had to take any option given to her?

 

Considering that in the original timeline she waited until Val Royeaux before seeking an alliance with the Inquisition (suggesting either Alexius had not gotten involved or she'd turned him down), doesn't that kinda suggest she was looking for allies for aid before he did his backstep and manipulated events in his favour?

 

Utterly irrelevent. That is not why they were banished. They were banished for aiding an enemy hostile power.
 

"When I granted your mages sanctuary. I thought it was understood that they would not force my people from their homes."
"Your majesty. let me assure you. We never intended any of this..."
"Your intentions ceased to matter when my people were threatened."

Queen Anora doesn't agree with you. And I assume she has spoken to Teagan. And I am quite positive that you never did.

So I will take her words over your faith in Fiona.

 

Exactly how does that prove that she orchestrated or aided the Tevinters? The way it's phrased is vague enough Fiona saying it was what happened was "not their intention" could easily mean that they didn't mean for Alexius to take over in the manner he did?

 

That Anora or Alistair gives her no time to explain herself, nor are in any mood to give her any opportunity to defend herself, leaves this ambiguous?
 

You've never said those words. No. But you certainly seem determined to absolve her of everything anyone ever brings up that in anyway criticizes her. Including a lack of plan when it comes to the rebellion. As you did right here:
 

and here:
 

Or is there some significant difference that I am not seeing between her rebellion being mismanaged from the beginning, and her having no plan for the rebellion?

 

And I've said that the lack of the plan was a major flaw in the Rebellion and that if they had one, we needed to know what it was? It was never made clear what the Rebellion's end goal was or how they wanted to get it, either through peaceful means or otherwise? That was information we needed to know, I've agreed that the lack of plan was a problem of the rebels a couple times now?

 

Again, what makes you think that I'm absolving her of anything, I've said that she's enough to blame as everyone involved? I've not been doggedly accusing her of practically everything from bad management to genocide to try and prove that she's guilty of something?

 

[TheRaccoon]

While some of the Templars abused the Tranquil and I don't agree with the Rite of Tranquility at all, my point was simply that the Templars could have at least accepted the responsibility since they were the ones who forced them into that state in the first place?

 

Or the Circle Mages who were part of the Loyalist faction could have refused to let the Tranquil go with the rebels and offered to take care of them? After all, the Loyalists were staying behind in the Circles with the Templars anyway and what exactly do the Tranquil do for the Rebellion anyway? Most Tranquil have commented that they enjoy working, so staying in the Circle seems like it'd have been preferable for them?

 

As for the Templars, I don't think that they are monsters. There are a lot of good people in the order that we see and from what it seems, most of the abusive Templars who commited crimes against the Mages and Tranquil are likely the same as those who went totally rogue and began roaming the hills preparing to stab anyone for carrying a stick?

 

But I ask again, what's the sense in blaming the Rebellion for everyone passing the buck around? Everyone screwed up here?

 

While I agree the templars should protect the tranquils, you can't expect the templars would go all the way to the rebellion camps just to find the tranquils. When the circles rebelled, the tranquils were only left with 2 choices; either to wander off or follow the successfully rebelled mages. The tranquils are then the rebel mages responsibility, just like the civilians who joined the rebellion for their cause. The rebel mages are suppose to at least make sure they are safe, not only because the tranquils are their followers but also their fellow mages.

[Master Warder Z_]

While there's no evidence in game, it does fit his style?

It's also completely unneeded.

If they didn't flee or were killed by the time of the Haven they had no were else to go.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

When the circles rebelled, the tranquils were only left with 2 choices; either to wander off or follow the successfully rebelled mages.

Didn't most of the Tranquil remain behind with the mages that didn't form the rebellion, and were watched over by Minaeve? 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I think only the ones from her circle.

[TheRaccoon]

 

 

 

Didn't most of the Tranquil remain behind with the mages that didn't form the rebellion, and were watched over by Minaeve? 

 

Whether most of the tranquils remain or not, my point is that it is the rebel mages responsibility to ensure the safety of the tranquils who followed them.

 

And most importantly... the plural form of 'tranquil' is also 'tranquil'? I always thought it's 'tranquils'