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[herkles]

I do dislike how disconnected the quest seems from everything else. One thing that stands out is how one of the key players is a leader of an elven rebellion, yet I don't think we meet an Orlesian elf before (or after) this quest except for Fiona

We really should have seen more of Orlais, especially their alianage. 

[Aren]

Man I don't even know where to start. I'll just list the entire cluster**** step by step.

 

 What the hell? You are the Inquisitor, you close rifts (the only one that closes rifts), you kill dragons, you have armies, assassins, spies, agents, avvar barbarians who show their buttocks, templars and so on. 

As the Inquisitor you are also an errand boy sadly,so is not so absurd that the nobility don't care about you.

[herkles]

I am the king, I can boss around Twyin lannister because I am his grandson Joffery and he must obey me, because I AM THE KING!

 

that is kind of how it sounds like to those who are going "I am the inquistor they must obey me!"

[leaguer of one]

I am the king, I can boss around Twyin lannister because I am his grandson Joffery and he must obey me, because I AM THE KING!

 

that is kind of how it sounds like to those who are going "I am the inquistor they must obey me!"

People like that eventually turn Purple.

[leaguer of one]

Yeah, great, but should I remind you that DA2 DLC had 2(TWO) different ways to enter the Vault?

No it did not. it only has 2 illusions of a way out. Which came down to kill the Duke with Tallis or with out.

[Aren]

 

 

 

- Small and powerless? If you know how to outsmart the nobles and beat them with their own game you get to decide who rules Orlais! You practically got Orlais on your leash!

 

By this logic since my warden has chosen the ruler of Orzammar he got Orzammar on his leash? I'm afraid that is not how it works,the ruler is merely an ally of convenience and if the Inquisition  do not "abuse" of it's power when they are most  needed (the breach) then i'm afraid than the Inquisition would be forgotten as soon as the events of the 3rd chapter will expired.

As the Warden given the fact that i have practically used the blight to take the throne for myself to secure that Ferelden would truly be under my leash,instead the Inquisitor felt more like a false leader who is not even respected by some bunch of masked morons.

[Artemis_Entrari]

While I don't agree word for word with the OP, I do think that was the weakest of all the main story quests, for a variety of different reasons.

 

For starters, I hated the timer.  It made exploring a chore because I kept getting a warning message about my rating with the court going down.  So I ended up feeling rushed and probably missed a bunch of stuff.  When you're crafting an open world game, where exploration is a key selling point, do NOT include stuff like timers where the player might feel rushed to do something.

 

In general, it just seemed ... boring, compared to the rest of the game.  It's been a few months since I last played, so my memory is a bit foggy of the details.  But I do recall finding it a bit of a chore to slog through.

 

A part of it is I think it could have been implemented better.  Why simply get an invitation, when they could have made an entire quest about it?  You're tasked with doing some chore for one of the leaders, then earn your invitation that way.

 

I also wanted to see much, much more of Orlais.  Grandest of all cities and it ended up being a monumental disappointment.  Just a bunch of shops within a small corridor that's smaller than Denerim's map was.

[robertthebard]

This is actually something I wanted to add to the first post but forgot. Nice catch.Why not use Cole? Provided you recruited him. Sure, he's a bit spooked by the crowd but he can read peoples's minds, make people forget him or not see him in the first place. He would have been perfect for the wondering in the palace parts and would have reduced some of the annoyances. Alternatively, have Sera disguised as a servant, or other companion.
 
 
^ I like this human. He understands.
 
Being able to role-play a character is important. I like to get into the character's mind. For example, with a human noble Inquisitor from the Free Marches I would be more inclined to get involved in the Grand Game. May even end up liking it. But my Qunari mercenary? Not so much.

Well, from reading your posts in this thread, along with the OP, all of your characters are fairly shallow, right? "Mwahahahahaha, stab 'em with the murder knife", move on to the next quest, "mwahahahahaha, stab 'em with the murder knife", rinse and repeat ad nauseum? To roughly paraphrase your intent, "I like this human, he doesn't have a clue". PT Barnum said that there's a sucker born every minute. Based on your posts, we can safely bet that you're the one for that particular minute?

To demonstrate that I'm not just trolling you here, but that this is seriously how I see you:

1. You sincerely believe that your Inquisition was significantly powerful enough at the time of Wicked Eyes/Wicked Hearts that you could what, conquer a nation that had, fairly recently, controlled most of the free world? Sucker... You're basing this on what, exactly, that there aren't troops as far as your eye can see on any horizon you chose to look at? Before you get mad, think about this, Cailan's father, and Loghain are the ones that were leading Ferelden when they threw off Orlais' hold on them, and they didn't go on to conquer Orlais, they beat them out of Fereldan, and then went about rebuilding. You sincerely believe your Inquisition, that couldn't even defend Haven against an army that isn't even 1/4 of Orlais was going to bully them? Really?

2. That the Inquisition isn't held in high regard at this point should be fairly obvious. We have discussions with the Chantry, with the Envy Demon/Lord Seeker, with a rather uppity Marquis actually in Haven. The vast majority of people believe you to be a heretic, not an inspiration. Attempting to "mwahahahahaha murder knife" your way into the hearts of Orlais would have had disastrous effects on the Inquisition, resulting in the self same "Game Over" screen you opened this thread complaining about. The issue here isn't "playing the Game", it's your believing that your blatantly weak organization should deign to hold itself above such an activity.

3. You seem to be under the impression that Orlais is just another backwater country like Fereldan, completely disregarding known history, and not so historic history at that, such as, up until fairly recently, Orlais counted Ferelden amongst it's conquered territories, and frankly, if Celene had been intent on holding it, I wonder if they wouldn't still hold it. It evidently soared right over your head that Viscount is an Orlesian term, and yet, Hawke can become Viscount of Kirkwall, and that's not speculation, that's pulled from the lore in DA 2.

So no, you can't bully a country that could squash you like the insignificant bug you are at this point in the game. You're going to have to beat them at their own Game to get them on your side, and that's what this entire quest is built around. I'll grant you the Halla statues were kind of a "meh" concept, but really, that's the only real bone I have with it. I have no issue whatsoever understanding why we might have to go about it that way, but, I'm not blinding myself to the truth of the setting: We are relatively insignificant as far as world powers go at this time, and Orlais could easily be seen as the top of the mountain.

[Aren]

The one thing that did intrigue me about this, is the many different outcomes. I have done Celene as sole ruler, all three working together and Gaspard as ruler. It will be interesting to see what implications arise from each decision.

they will likely mean nothing, Bioware have never done something meaningful when it comes to dictate consequences for choices between games.

[Heimerdinger]

PT Barnum said that there's a sucker born every minute. Based on your posts, we can safely bet that you're the one for that particular minute?

 

You can keep the insults/trolling coming, just do try harder. After 1 year of League of Legends on EUNE server I have my Insults Shield up and running and it's a permanent passive buff. It deflects 75% of incoming insults but can only trigger once every 5 minutes. You can start working around that.

[Tyloric]

As I understand it, OP wanted the Inquisition to wage war on Oralis and take their support by force. Or am I just missing the point of this thread?

[Heimerdinger]

As I understand it, OP wanted the Inquisition to wage war on Oralis and take their support by force. Or am I just missing the point of this thread?

 

You missed it by 5 AU (Astronomical Units).

[FemShem]

I love this dungeon, because it doesn't play like any other dungeon. Time runs out and you die...this is different from the Templar dungeon how? You don't go check on them often enough and the mission fails. It obeys the rules of a dungeon, only it was different ways of playing that are unique.

You didn't like kissing noble a55. How is it different than solving word puzzles, which answer unlocks what you want. It is a game. It's called the "Great Game" and the Inquisitor is supposed to play it and master it.

My most hated dungeon in all of DA is the Fade in Origins. I hated the maps and how they worked, but it was unique. This is a dungeon, but a unique one.

I fake "kissed ass" and one play through an option at the end of morrigan dialogue was "that's me" ' I fall out of the sky, make bad decisions and still people follow me.

It's a game. I understand your upset, but why are you this upset? It's a game with a unique dungeon. I loved it for no other reason than it was different and demanded more than button mashing skills.

Much of DA makes you play outside of the typical RPG box. If the dungeon wasn't a win for you, I'm sorry. BTW change them out of their clothes before going into combat, their armor is only worth 40. Made it much easier;)

[ask_again_later]

This is actually something I wanted to add to the first post but forgot. Nice catch.Why not use Cole? Provided you recruited him. Sure, he's a bit spooked by the crowd but he can read peoples's minds, make people forget him or not see him in the first place. He would have been perfect for the wondering in the palace parts and would have reduced some of the annoyances. Alternatively, have Sera disguised as a servant, or other companion.

 

 

^ I like this human. He understands.

 

Being able to role-play a character is important. I like to get into the character's mind. For example, with a human noble Inquisitor from the Free Marches I would be more inclined to get involved in the Grand Game. May even end up liking it. But my Qunari mercenary? Not so much.

I feel like if my asked Sera to do that she'd break their neck.

 

Oh, and to the people upset with the outfits: this is why we have headcanon.

[robertthebard]

You missed it by 5 AU (Astronomical Units).

Really, what part of "brute force" doesn't imply waging war? Did you sincerely believe that you could intimidate the ruler/would be ruler of one of the most powerful nations on Thedas with your force that couldn't even defend Haven?

[fhs33721]

Really, what part of "brute force" doesn't imply waging war? Did you sincerely believe that you could intimidate the ruler/would be ruler of one of the most powerful nations on Thedas with your force that couldn't even defend Haven?

From what I gathered OP doesn't want to get to the point of actual war but is of the opinion that his Inquisitor should be able to sucessfully insult all the orlaisian nobles an threaten them into falling to their knees and whorshipping the ground s/he stands on instead of throwing said Inquisito out of their party because they are sickened by her/his, even for orlaisian standards, insufferably huge ego.

Not that this is much better.

[Ellana of clan Lavellan]

OP is trying to pull off a Kanye West

[Heimerdinger]

From what I gathered OP doesn't want to get to the point of actual war but is of the opinion that his Inquisitor should be able to sucessfully insult all the orlaisian nobles an threaten them into falling to their knees and whorshipping the ground s/he stands on instead of throwing said Inquisito out of their party because they are sickened by her/his, even for orlaisian standards, insufferably huge ego.

Not that this is much better.

 

If the other poster missed the point by 5 Astronomical Units, then you missed it by 8 Kiloparsecs and hit the galactic core.

 

The point was:

 

Option A - Direct Approach - Use soldiers to secure the palace. Protect the empress at all cost, that's the mission. Then proceed to search for evidence and identify assassin. Ball be damned.

 

Option B - Diplomatic Approach - Play along, use stealth, blend in and wait for assassin to make a move. Or expose assassin in public.

 

RPG questing 101. Minimum poor man's 2 choices. Multiple paths. Choices. Exactly what we don't have here. You only get B and not A.

 

But I've repeated enough. This exchange is over.

 

OP is trying to pull off a Kanye West

 

You went full...nevermind.

[Wulfram]

I don't think the Inquisition has the ability to "secure" the palace of the Orlesian Empress. It would be pretty ridiculous if it did, anyway.

[gamesux]

agreed reason not to buy game ea im done with you bioware to played for a long time just to run into a stupid timer and stupid idea that idea being save stupid ...... no fun at all mabe you and those not so bright destiny people could get together and ruin fun time for all the people in the world and please fire the idiot that thought this was a good idea when I hear they are gone mabe you can get anther dollar from me just kidding all trust gone lol no money from me ever again

 

[Heimerdinger]

I don't think the Inquisition has the ability to "secure" the palace of the Orlesian Empress. It would be pretty ridiculous if it did, anyway.

 

We already have Venatori and demons inside. They seem to have the ability. The story is just stupid.

[Wulfram]

We already have Venatori and demons inside. They seem to have the ability. The story is just stupid.

They have support from the inside.

But yes, plot is stupid. It'd be stupider if the Inquisition could just march in and take over the palace.

[gamesux]

its like buying a good rock music album that changes to bing crosby christmas music have way through would never have bought this piece of crap if i had known  

[gamesux]

one good thing about game it really flew well through the trees i didnt know i was that good of a frisbee thrower

[robertthebard]

We already have Venatori and demons inside. They seem to have the ability. The story is just stupid.

Um, what? If they had the ability to secure the palace, we wouldn't be able to get in. That's what secure means.

But let's look at a "secure the Winter Palace" scenario, shall we?

The major players see the Inquisition marching whatever forces it could muster at the time, which really isn't much, but just for laughs:

Possibility 1: They go ahead and assassinate Celene w/out the bother of their master plan, thus sowing the chaos that you're actually there to prevent in the first place.

Possibility 2: The Powers that be march out to meet the Inquisition, and a very short pitched battle ensues, which leaves the Inquisition squashed like bugs, and leads to Celene being assassinated and chaos ensuing, which again, is what you're trying to prevent. Remember, you don't have to prevent the assassination, just the ensuing chaos.

Hmm, either way, seems like a "Game Over" scenario. Despite your high opinion of the Inquisition at the time, you're a Heretic Movement in most people's eyes, with the Inquisitor being nothing but a puppet, dancing on the strings of the Left and Right hands of the former Divine. If they see you marching forces against the Winter Palace, it's not going to be a case of "Oh no, it's the Inquisition, hide the childrens". It's going to be considered an act of war, and bam, it's on.