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[Dellevis]

Right, I have a little idea/complaint

I am doing a playthrough of Dragon Age: Inquisition, and the way I play my inquisitor is being compassionate, and sparing everyone I can. I want my Inquisition to be forgiving and caring, and for it to be an inquisition that gives everyone a second chance.

Right, so here is the complaint. I accidently stayed out of Leliana's business at the beginning at Haven, and so now she has turned into a complete ruthless lunatic! She doesen't fit the way my inquisitor wants the inquisition to be. Since I spare everyone and am compassionate and forgiving, then naturally my Inquisitor would strip Leliana of her rank, as her ruthless behaviour is not beneficial to the way my inquisitior wants his inquisition to be. It Breaks the immersion that they haven't thought of this and made a system where one could actually take control of his/her inquisition.

Another issue is Cullen's board missions. My inquisitor does not agree with his methods in his war table missions and I really wish they had implemented a system where you can demote/promote certain people to take on various roles and shape your inquisition and it's leaders the way you want your inquisition to be.

 

What does it matter I spare and forgive everyone when my leaders are ruthless and handles the war effort in a completely different way than my inquisitor intends it to.

 

I would really like to see a system like this in a future game as it takes the whole RPG feeling away when your forced inquisition members doesen't fit in your inquisition!

 

Let me know what you think!

 

Thanks for reading

[Fiery Phoenix]

That sounds nice on paper but it would be impractical to implement with such a large number of characters.

[Dellevis]

That sounds nice on paper but it would be impractical to implement with such a large number of characters.

 

Good point. It would take a lot of development possibly. Especially if some of these characters were to appear in cutscenes and in dialogue.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Good point. I guess you're right, it would take a lot of development work possibly. Especially if some of these characters were to appear in cutscenes and in dialogue.

It would probably be doable if you had something around 1/3 the number of companions in Inquisition, but even so, the story writing would also need to take into account the different possible scenarios.

 

It's not something I see BioWare doing--at least not on the scale of an entire game.

[Dellevis]

Everytime my Inquisitor has had to chance to change things, he has always chosen to be compassionate, but he turns a blind eye to his own agents and leaders, which doesen't really give a proper RPG feel.

[Deztyn]

Agree on Leliana. I haven't had psycho Leliana in game yet, but as I understand it she states with no uncertainty that she intends to do whatever she wants and you can't stop her and the game never allows you to address that. That's terrible game design.

I don't understand your issue with Cullen though. He makes suggestions based on his experiences and resources. Sometimes his suggestions are the best, sometimes not. You're not obligated to use him.

[LOLandStuff]

Your title as Inquisitor is more of a symbol. They needed someone to inspire people and they chose you.

Your councilors were there before you fell out of the Fade, so kicking the ones who basically do most of the work because you don't agree or like them is nonsensical. They're the ones who have most people under their command and to whom they listen. It might actually do harm than anything else.

[Dellevis]

Agree on Leliana. I haven't had psycho Leliana in game yet, but as I understand it she states with no uncertainty that she intends to do whatever she wants and you can't stop her and the game never allows you to address that. That's terrible game design.

I don't understand your issue with Cullen though. He makes suggestions based on his experiences and resources. Sometimes his suggestions are the best, sometimes not. You're not obligated to use him.

 

Yeah, I was a bit surprised I couldn't yell at her for slitting that womans throat. All I could do was say something about that thing we were looking for, as if Leliana slitting her the womans throat did not even happen! I wanted to be furious with her!

 

I like Cullen, when he's in cutscenes and in dialogue he strikes me as a compassionate and nice guy, but it's some of his war table missions that bother me. His opinions on how to deal with things on some of his war table missions are disturbing, so I don't use him often anymore. It seems to me that his personality is different on the war table than outside.

[Deztyn]

I don't think his personality is different there. I think the context is different. You are presenting him a situation, sometimes one he's really not suited to dealing with, and asking him what he can do about it with his military forces. He's not necessarily offering his opinion on a personal level.

 

Is there a specific mission you're thinking of?

[SgtSteel91]

I don't think his personality is different there. I think the context is different. You are presenting him a situation, sometimes one he's really not suited to dealing with, and asking him what he can do about it with his military forces. He's not necessarily offering his opinion on a personal level.

 

I think that's true of all of the advisors at some point. Like Josephine in the Lydes mission offering to ruin a marriage with faulty evidence and rumors just to get a candidate out of the running or Leliana's infamous offer of cutting out a bard's tongue for spreading rumors.

 

All of the advisors have to fit into a paradigm of Connections (send in diplomats or allies/trade favors/ruin enemies socially), Secrets (send in spies or scouts/blackmaill/assassinations), and Forces (send in soldiers/intimidation/attack an enemy) and that leads to wonky options for some war table missions (see also that codex in Jaws of Hakkon with the advisors talking about getting through some hills).

[TheDovah]

Whilst it would have been a nice to strip people of their titles, The Inquisitor techincally doesn't run the Inquisition. They just lead it and rely on the advisers to make sure that the Inquisition run like normal. It would be a terrible idea to sack your spymaster whilst trying to stop an ancient magister from destroying the world due to her connections. Same with Josephine and her being very good at being an Ambassador. Whilst Cullen could be replaced, it would stir up some resentment from the Inquisition's forces. Basically, it would either require the game to be rewritten with a huge amount of variables whilst trying to avoid reducing the advisers to generic characters just so that we can potentially sack them or for the Inquisitor to sack their advisers after winning and damaging their own reputation. That and the Inquisitor is pretty much a walking battering ram that was put in charge just because he/she was getting stuff done.

[SgtSteel91]

Although I find myself questioning a Pro-Mage (or even a Mage who supports the Rebellion) Inquisitor having to deal with Cullen as commander, who was Second in Command of the Kirkwall Circle and allowed all of the abuses to go on there (if he didn't know about the abuses then that hurts his competence as a leader), and still keeps some dehumanizing views of Mages when he is commanding the Inquisition's forces, even if the Inquisition has allied with the Mages.

[TheDovah]

To be fair, Cullen's hands were tied as he had the misfortune to be working for Meredith and only stood up against her after realising that she had lost it completely. He was still suffering from the events of Uldred's uprising and does admit that he is not proud of what he was during the events of DA2.  As for his views, he's not really had a chance to see the postiive side of the mages. Uldred killed most of his friends and colleagues in DAO. DA2 pretty much featured "Mwahahhaha, i am evil" mages with the odd mage that is not insane. Even Hawke adknowledges that it. "I would like to go just one week without encountering an insane mage. Just one week". Orsino somehow turned into a harvester. All of it doesn't paint a good light on the mages. However, pre-Uldred's uprising, Cullen liked mages and even has a crush on a female warden mage.   It may be that he's still getting used to not being a templar and the templar inside of him doesn't trust mages out of instinct.

[The Baconer]

I'd settle with being able to throw Fiona in jail (or giving her the axe) when allying with or conscripting the mages.

[SgtSteel91]

To be fair, Cullen's hands were tied as he had the misfortune to be working for Meredith and only stood up against her after realising that she had lost it completely. He was still suffering from the events of Uldred's uprising and does admit that he is not proud of what he was during the events of DA2. As for his views, he's not really had a chance to see the postiive side of the mages. Uldred killed most of his friends and colleagues in DAO. DA2 pretty much featured "Mwahahhaha, i am evil" mages with the odd mage that is not insane. Even Hawke adknowledges that it. "I would like to go just one week without encountering an insane mage. Just one week". Orsino somehow turned into a harvester. All of it doesn't paint a good light on the mages. However, pre-Uldred's uprising, Cullen liked mages and even has a crush on a female warden mage. It may be that he's still getting used to not being a templar and the templar inside of him doesn't trust mages out of instinct.

It would help if Cullen realized that Mages were also suffering at the hands of Uldred, and that many of the "Crazy Blood Mages" were the result of victims of abuse in the Kirkwall Circle lashing out when backed into a corner.

[EmperorSahlertz]

You sound like a pretty bad Inquisitor, and Lelianna is probably the only thing keeping that boat afloat...

[Dellevis]

You sound like a pretty bad Inquisitor, and Lelianna is probably the only thing keeping that boat afloat...

 

I would probably make a terrible leader in real life as well, since I'm way to compassionate and want to save everyone

[Deztyn]

Whilst it would have been a nice to strip people of their titles, The Inquisitor techincally doesn't run the Inquisition. They just lead it and rely on the advisers to make sure that the Inquisition run like normal. It would be a terrible idea to sack your spymaster whilst trying to stop an ancient magister from destroying the world due to her connections. Same with Josephine and her being very good at being an Ambassador. Whilst Cullen could be replaced, it would stir up some resentment from the Inquisition's forces. Basically, it would either require the game to be rewritten with a huge amount of variables whilst trying to avoid reducing the advisers to generic characters just so that we can potentially sack them or for the Inquisitor to sack their advisers after winning and damaging their own reputation. That and the Inquisitor is pretty much a walking battering ram that was put in charge just because he/she was getting stuff done.

 

I'd agree, but as I understand it Leliana's insubordination is never addressed. It's one thing for the Inquisitor to resign herself to the fact that she needs Leliana for the Inquisition to function. It's another to ignore her being a loose canon.

 

Although I find myself questioning a Pro-Mage (or even a Mage who supports the Rebellion) Inquisitor having to deal with Cullen as commander, who was Second in Command of the Kirkwall Circle and allowed all of the abuses to go on there (if he didn't know about the abuses then that hurts his competence as a leader), and still keeps some dehumanizing views of Mages when he is commanding the Inquisition's forces, even if the Inquisition has allied with the Mages.

 

The Inquisitor didn't choose Cullen. He was in charge before she was. And if we can forgive a traitorous mercenary childkiller, I think we can deal with a commander whose worse sin is being ignorant and who is rather selfloathing about his inaction.  His personal opinions don't affect his ability to perform his job.The Inquisitor isn't forced to agree with his views and unlike Leliana, can control his actions. There is no logical reason to fire Cullen.

 

To be fair, Cullen's hands were tied as he had the misfortune to be working for Meredith and only stood up against her after realising that she had lost it completely. He was still suffering from the events of Uldred's uprising and does admit that he is not proud of what he was during the events of DA2.  As for his views, he's not really had a chance to see the postiive side of the mages. Uldred killed most of his friends and colleagues in DAO. DA2 pretty much featured "Mwahahhaha, i am evil" mages with the odd mage that is not insane. Even Hawke adknowledges that it. "I would like to go just one week without encountering an insane mage. Just one week". Orsino somehow turned into a harvester. All of it doesn't paint a good light on the mages. However, pre-Uldred's uprising, Cullen liked mages and even has a crush on a female warden mage.   It may be that he's still getting used to not being a templar and the templar inside of him doesn't trust mages out of instinct.

 

This.

 

Also, there is nothing wrong with having a healthy distrust of magic. Magic is dangerous. Cullen is fine with mages that he knows and trusts. Inquisitor. Dorian. Viv. It's the others he worries about. Much as some people like to deny it, being a mage isn't a superficial trait like your skin color. You have access to a tremendous amount of power and it makes you a demon magnet, and when there are already demons falling out of the sky that can be a Very Bad Thing. Welcoming in the members of a violent mage rebellion with open arms is a genuine risk.

[Deztyn]

It would help if Cullen realized that Mages were also suffering at the hands of Uldred, and that many of the "Crazy Blood Mages" were the result of victims of abuse in the Kirkwall Circle lashing out when backed into a corner.

 

Cullen does acknowledge this.

[Dellevis]

I'd agree, but as I understand it Leliana's insubordination is never addressed. It's one thing for the Inquisitor to resign herself to the fact that she needs Leliana for the Inquisition to function. It's another to ignore her being a loose canon.

 

I agree on this very much. Hardened Lelianas' actions and words are worrying and I really don't like having a spymaster that suddenly throws away all compassion and moral and in my opinion, definitely puts the Inquisition in a bad light as a more ruthless and unstable organization that doesen't actually care for the well being of the people, but rather an organization that will do anything to enforce it's own agenda

[SgtSteel91]

Cullen does acknowledge this.

I don't remember him doing that, when does he do this? I want to like Cullen and believe he's a better person now, but maybe I've been reading too many Cullen-hate tags in Tumblr cause that's where my uneasiness comes from, so if there is proof I'd like to hear it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

I would probably make a terrible leader in real life as well, since I'm way to compassionate and want to save everyone

Then I think you should be happy that at least someone in the Inquisition is willing to make the hard choices. And, if it comes to it, it lets you have plausible deniablity.

[thats1evildude]

Oh Maker, not another Cullen thread ...

[Sifr]

I don't think his personality is different there. I think the context is different. You are presenting him a situation, sometimes one he's really not suited to dealing with, and asking him what he can do about it with his military forces. He's not necessarily offering his opinion on a personal level.

 

Yeah, it feels like people forget that he's the military advisor for that reason. He's offering what he can do with the military resources at his command, so don't expect diplomacy or finesse because that's not what his people are trained for, they're trained for military operations?

 

If you want to break someone out of prison quietly, what did you expect when you decided that instead of Josephine's suggestion of a series of political favours to get someone out of jail, Leliana's stealthy prison break to be conducted in the middle of the night, you'd send Cullen to storm the bastille by walking up to the front door in broad daylight and kicking it down?

 

It kinda reminds me of Star Trek: TNG, where nearly every time the ship was attacked, Picard or Riker would ask Worf what his assessment of the situation was as the tactical officer, before immediately shutting him down when he suggested fighting back? What else did they want him to say?

 

(Seriously, check out this compilation, it definitely highlights how similar Cullen and Worf's approaches are?)

 

[Master Warder Z_]

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