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Dwarves are resistant to lyrium.

 

If a Dwarf is mining lyrium, they can get the dust in their blood. Which causes them to have memory lapses. Whats-his-name dwarf merchant in Origins had this issue.

Yeah, but I'm wondering if that resistance is enough to not let them use lyrium in combat. I know they still get affected by it, so I'm assuming they could still use it.



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ah it reminds me of Varric  "Where is hawke?"

Yeah! Why couldn't they have just recorded a second line? I mean, it sounds so alien when he says it 2 seconds later in the exact same way.

 

 Kai Leng wasn't the main villain though.

 

The Reapers were the main threat, and they were pretty much kicking the entire galaxy's *ss throughout ME3 that the wins you get actually felt satisfying.

Haha, "satisfying" was about the last thing it was for me.

 

I believe in DAO or DA2 they established how teleportation magic does not exist, then in DAI, they go right around and create time travel magic. How can time travel magic exist, but not teleportation magic?

I thought Origins established that you couldn't use magic for fast movement either (I guess barring things like Haste?). But then they added Eluvians in DA:O DLC, so... that lore was short-lived.


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I thought of another flub, one that has not been brought up yet and it’s a big one - Red Lyrium.

 

Let's be honest the whole Red Lyrium explanation was not only a clustered mess, raised questions and contradictions. 

 

I'm going by the choices I made in DA2 and DAI.

 

At Haven The Herald asks Varric "How did Red Lyrium show up at the Temple?"

 

Varric responds, "I do not know. As far as I know the only piece brought to the surface was destroyed."

 

No, it was not the only piece. Yes, Bartrand did kept a small piece of the idol. However Varric spends his free time trying to track down who Bartrand sold the idol too - which was made out of Red Lyrium. Later you find out Meredith was the one who purchased the idol and turned it into a sword.

 

Varric tells Blackwall that they have not moved Meredith from the Gallows after the Red Lyrium consumed her and turned her into a Red Lyrium statue. This sounds as if The Gallows was completely shut-down and blocked off to contain the Red Lyrium.

 

However the Templars (including Cullen) continued to operate out of the Gallows for about three years. Considering that Red Lyrium drove Bartrand and Meredith mad and it spreads; the Red Lyrium should have driven The Templars mad and The Gallows should be covered in Red Lyrium.

 

Varric also says "It took years for the people of Kirkwall to become infected and they were not actually ingesting the stuff."

 

This sounds as if the Red Lyrium from Meredith was spreading and getting out of control. Thus leading to Kirkwall being over- taken by Red lyrium.

 

Again we get thrown confusion when we receive letters from Aveline and Seabass at The War Table from Kirkwall. 

 

After "Into the Abyss. " Varric says, "I better let everyone back in Kirkwall know where Hawke is going."

 

Two problems with this. One, Again Kirkwall should be overrun with Red Lyrium, insane people and people being consumed by Red Lyrium. Two the only person in Kirkwall who Hawke knows is Aveline, so who the hell else is Varric speaking of?

 

At the end of the game, Varric tells The Inquisitor, "I am heading back to Kirkwall to help with relief efforts."

 

Relief efforts for what? All the information that was told suggested Kirkwall should be gone - consumed by lyrium and the inhabitants are probably beyond saving.  Hawke managed to keep Varric from going crazy by the piece he found in Bartrand's estate now he wants to go back?

 

The other issues with Red Lyrium are as follows: 

 

Anytime you and your companions are around Red Lyrium nothing happens - especially if you are playing a mage and/or mages are in your group. It's as if you are walking past cherry flavored Jolly Ranchers.

 

If you judge Samson at Skyhold, he arrives wearing his Red Lyrium armor and Cory is no longer delaying Samson's corruption. So would it not be wise to just have the option to execute Samson? Yes, by all means let's let the walking Red Lyrium crystal guy into Skyhold, that is going to work out so well - especially if you choose Samson's sentence to be in prison for information and Cullen to be his handler.


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Was it ever actually said that the substance Meredith was made out of was red lyrium? I know that could be assumed, but it starts slowly merges with your body, as was seen to be the case with Fiona. The effects might be different if you're not actually ingesting it. It "spread" in the sense that it overtook Meredith's mind. We know what happens when you ingest lyrium, but all we know about being around it is that it drives you insane over a prolonged long period of exposure.

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Was it ever actually said that the substance Meredith was made out of was red lyrium? I know that could be assumed, but it starts slowly merges with your body, as was seen to be the case with Fiona. The effects might be different if you're not actually ingesting it. It "spread" in the sense that it overtook Meredith's mind. We know what happens when you ingest lyrium, but all we know about being around it is that it drives you insane over a prolonged long period of exposure.

Years after the Kirkwall incident Merideth's corpse is said to still be at the Gallows[, which being contaminated with Red Lyrium no one wants to go near.


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#106
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I didn't know that. I prefer Odette. That's such a pretty name.

 

That's dumb reason to change it. Change the name for the Spanish version. A lot of shows do that, too. Pokemon, while an odd example, is probably the best. They change all of the characters' names from Japanese names to English names for convenience sake. They did it for some of the names in Kid Icarus: Uprising. A lot of the versions translated "Iron" in "Iron Bull" to whatever it would be in their language.

And what is Odette supposed to mean in spanish? It doesn't even sound like any spanish word that I know of...


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Years after the Kirkwall incident Merideth's corpse is said to still be at the Gallows[, which being contaminated with Red Lyrium no one wants to go near.

Key words being "is said to be."

And what is Odette supposed to mean in spanish? It doesn't even sound like any spanish word that I know of...


I have no clue, especially since there is a Spanish variation of the name (Odete).

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Key words being "is said to be."
 

 

Yes. But Cory also infected the Templars in Kirkwall first.

 

Either it was by Cory, Meredith or other means, the facts remains that Kirkwall's inhabitants became corrupted. We also know that wherever the Red Templars go or anyone else infected with Red Lyrium it leaves behind residue....kind of like bread crumbs. This is why there was Red Lyrium at the Temple. Thus Kirkwall should be over-run with lyrium or close too.



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And what is Odette supposed to mean in spanish? It doesn't even sound like any spanish word that I know of...

 

Apparently it's something about sex  :huh:  I'm not really sure what though and I've never heard of it before. I just remember it being mentioned somewhere as the reason for the name change.



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Key words being "is said to be."

 
Oh, I think I know where Meredith is hanging around these days. ;D
 

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Apparently it's something about sex  :huh:  I'm not really sure what though and I've never heard of it before. I just remember it being mentioned somewhere as the reason for the name change.

 

It's not like if you say Odette with an American/Canadian accent it would mean much. But Odete pronounced correctly with some Spanish accents sounds a bit like some forms of conjugation for a naughty verb that is an uncouth way to say "have sex" in European Spanish. Specifically telling someone to do something to themself sounds a lot like how I would struggle to say Odette if I did not know better. I grew up speaking Chicano Spanish, and really, it makes little to no sense to me either (mostly because we have a better word), but some ways of speaking Spanish I could see how.



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Actually, they  were going to make a Seeker specialization, but there were complications. Her powers are different, but for gameplay sake, they aren't. Story-wise, yes, gameplay-wise, no.

In that case the game should not have called it a templar specialization, because Cassandra goes into detail that seekers are not templars. I, as an uniformed player, have no way to know about those complications, other than reading about it (with no direct source) by accident here on the internet. ;)


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#113
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My writing flub would probably be too numerous to recount, but I will say Kirkwall's status is written in a very contradictory state. I'd discuss it but I'm falling asleep at the keyboard. Maybe tomorrow.

 

Was it ever actually said that the substance Meredith was made out of was red lyrium? I know that could be assumed, but it starts slowly merges with your body, as was seen to be the case with Fiona. The effects might be different if you're not actually ingesting it. It "spread" in the sense that it overtook Meredith's mind. We know what happens when you ingest lyrium, but all we know about being around it is that it drives you insane over a prolonged long period of exposure.

 

No, it does turn you into red lyrium. It feeds off of a person until they become the lyrium, and the cycle perpetuates itself. Meredith took too much power from the lyrium idol too soon and it ended up turning her into a lyrium statue fused into the ground of the Gallows.

 

 

 
Oh, I think I know where Meredith is hanging around these days. ;D
 

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File that under the list of writing flubs that bothers me. Varric points out the statue was still there and yet Xenon has it. I get that Varric hasn't been in Kirkwall for some months now but it seemed pretty clear from his talking of her that she was fused to the ground like I originally thought.


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#114
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File that under the list of writing flubs that bothers me. Varric points out the statue was still there and yet Xenon has it. I get that Varric hasn't been in Kirkwall for some months now but it seemed pretty clear from his talking of her that she was fused to the ground like I originally thought.


That's what golem servants are for. They can rip stuff like that right out of the ground.
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File that under the list of writing flubs that bothers me. Varric points out the statue was still there and yet Xenon has it. I get that Varric hasn't been in Kirkwall for some months now but it seemed pretty clear from his talking of her that she was fused to the ground like I originally thought.

 

From what I recall, people avoid the gallows since the whole incident. And as they avoid it, they'd have no reasons to think she went anywhere.

 

But Xenon gets around, you know? ;D Well, alright, he  doesn't, for all the obvious reasons. Nice collection, though.

 

EDIT: That, Urzon, is an excellent point!



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That's what golem servants are for. They can rip stuff like that right out of the ground.

 

True, and it's what I was thinking after I posted. Of course one then runs into the question of how Red Lyrium would affect Thaddeus Gigantus Crumbum III, if it does at all (I see no reason why it wouldn't tbh).



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There's so much stuff. I can't believe Varric had the same writer. He looks and sounds like a tired man. His attempts at sarcastic comedy was like he wasn't even trying. The lines like "Oh, I've got an idea for a title. "This **** stinks", that oughta-do-it." or  something lame like that. There's no timing and no punchline to his humor whereas I thought he was quite witty in the second game.

 

I also really don't care for Patrick Weekes' obvious homages to Marvel stuff. He listens to Marvel movie soundtracks to get inspired for his writing and he writes characters with Marvel on his mind. It needs to stop because it isn't funny. It's just geeky and corny IMO.

 

Oh and another really bad line from Hawke: "That's what happens when you try to change things. Things change" *FACEPALM*. Who wrote that dorky-ass line??

 

By far the worst stuff is those moments where the characters do exposition dumps when you look at something and that exposition in no way correlates to anything we could've figured out by looking at it.

 

Like that time-rift in Redcliffe village. It's just an ordinary rift with enemies... the animators or art directors didn't bother to make it unique or at least make a little cutscene. You just beat the demons and Cassandra says "That appeared to distort time itself!", which makes you go "wha...?" and then for about 30 full minutes of cutscene and what have you, the characters fail to realize that all the odd reactions within Redcliffe is because they're in a past-version of the place... and i have to say, DA:I really plays hard on all the tropes. You have amnesiac protagonist, RPG prisoner opening, the chosen one, and time-traveling. Bioware have fully degraded themselves to Saturday morning cartoon writers.


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#118
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Just so everyone knows, the reason that line is so out of place is because the audio people used the wrong one. That casual version of "What's going on here?" was copied from the conversation between Dorian and Mother Giselle, where the Inquisitor enters using that sentence.

 

There is a proper "What's going on here?" line that plays correctly in Here Lies the Abyss, but for some reason the audio people copied the calm one instead of using that one. Oops!

Moments like these make you wonder if Bioware even has Play Testers, sigh... Who could miss these things?



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It's not like if you say Odette with an American/Canadian accent it would mean much. But Odete pronounced correctly with some Spanish accents sounds a bit like some forms of conjugation for a naughty verb that is an uncouth way to say "have sex" in European Spanish. Specifically telling someone to do something to themself sounds a lot like how I would struggle to say Odette if I did not know better. I grew up speaking Chicano Spanish, and really, it makes little to no sense to me either (mostly because we have a better word), but some ways of speaking Spanish I could see how.

I'm Spanish and it literally took me several minutes to get it, even with your explanation  :rolleyes:

 

If true, that's a really weird, really stupid reason for changing a name.



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The Dalish Inquisitor asking who Mythal is.  Seriously, Bioware?  Seriously?


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Hawke and blood magic.. But that one I can kind of hand wave, considering the circumstances, I can easily Hawke being angry at the Wardens and their irresponsible use of blood magic, even if Hawke is/was a blood mage. It makes sense, even if it is taking away some characterization of Hawke away from the player.

I guess mine would be Solas' dialogue after drinking from the well. He is upset and claims he begged you not to drink, but that dialogue is either bugged or was cut, because he never actually does...

For that matter, the way some of the other companion's advice about the well don't match their approval.

I can't remember if the Dalish PC asking about Mythal was auto dialogue or a dialogue wheel choice, but that's another one...which has already been mentioned. I think the writer confirmed it was a scripting error though. Otherwise, I really like that quest.

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The Dalish Inquisitor asking what the temple of Mythal is is autodialog.  I wouldn't care if it was optional.  Then I could just not pick it.  Sort of like asking what "The Dirth" means from the Dalish in the Exalted Plains.  That one is optional and I just don't pick it with a Dalish Inquisitor.

 

It's especially silly because the question "Which is?" is easily replaceable with race generic autodialog like "Go on."  There doesn't even need to be Dalish specific dialog there if there is some kind of word budget issue.    



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Like that time-rift in Redcliffe village. It's just an ordinary rift with enemies... the animators or art directors didn't bother to make it unique or at least make a little cutscene. You just beat the demons and Cassandra says "That appeared to distort time itself!", which makes you go "wha...?" 

It and the other rifts associated with In Hushed Whispers are actually different! Next time you play it, step in one of the colored circles it spawns onto the ground. Some of them make you attack in slow motion and others speed up your attacks. Mage or archer + one of the fast circles = battle ends very quickly.


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There's so much stuff. I can't believe Varric had the same writer. He looks and sounds like a tired man. His attempts at sarcastic comedy was like he wasn't even trying. The lines like "Oh, I've got an idea for a title. "This **** stinks", that oughta-do-it." or  something lame like that. There's no timing and no punchline to his humor whereas I thought he was quite witty in the second game.

 

I actually rather liked that. For one, Varric is  tired. Everything is messed up, and he and Hawke are right at the center of it. He was the one who brought Anders into things, which led to the Chantry explosion and which set the starting events for the Mage-Templar war in motion. He took Hawke on the expedition, which led to the idol, Meredith's insanity, and the outbreak of red lyrium. He and Hawke released Corypheus, leading to the breach and the explosion at the conclave. And on top of all of that, his home, which he's always taken pretty seriously, is being torn apart thanks to all of that crap, with his friends more often than not getting caught in the middle. I think that'd make anyone less inclined to crack jokes.

 

That and it's worth noting that DA2 was a story being told from Varric's perspective. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he made himself wittier in retrospect than he actually was at the time. It'd add some flair to events and a bit of comic relief to the whole ordeal (plus give him the opportunity to present himself better, of course) - similar to that retelling he had to back out of when he went to confront dear old Bartrand. XD


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Like that time-rift in Redcliffe village. It's just an ordinary rift with enemies... the animators or art directors didn't bother to make it unique or at least make a little cutscene. You just beat the demons and Cassandra says "That appeared to distort time itself!", which makes you go "wha...?" and then for about 30 full minutes of cutscene and what have you, the characters fail to realize that all the odd reactions within Redcliffe is because they're in a past-version of the place....


The time rift has green circles that speed up or slow down characters in them. Though this is far from obvious if your natural response to circles on the ground is just to steer clear.

Also, it's not past Redcliffe, it's alternate Redcliffe.
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