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[Dieb]

The difference being that one snaps in the form of being paralyzed in horror by his own cowardice, and the other snaps by literally tearing a family apart. So is there a difference? Everyone can very well and ultimately answer that, yet only for themselves.

 

My personal belief is that there's so many factors, so much background, so many people involved with Blackwall's crime, while Sten's is just straightforward disgusting. The point about his remorse is made by himself in the game. He always mentions that he failed the Qun and whatnot, and while some may argue that this is equal to Rainier's basic understanding of morality, I was originally more reluctant to stick with him than with Thom because of it.

 

I know that, because Sten became my Warden's friend & mentor. I believe even he deserves a second chance, and I'm not trying to declare winners & losers here. If anything, I wanted to say I personally had an easier time feeling compassion for Blackwall, if not by much. If anything furthermore, it shows how little I care for abandoning good people just because of the most primitive, most restrictive & unproductive form of dubious justice: "An eye for an eye."

 

I just don't see how some make the point that there's an objective competition for terribleness in what they both did, and I brashly (not without a faint humorous intent if I'm honest) wagered that the only superficial difference remains the personal insult.

[FiveThreeTen]

He is a good tank.

 

I like redemption stories when I think the character involved is redeemable (hence I think he is, and he has spent most of his years attoning when you meet him).

 

There is too much political maneuvering involved in his crime to lay all the blame on him.

[Phoe77]

At least Sten didnt hide what he had done. Given the darkspawn were ready to swarm down on Lothering, leaving him in a cage to be murdered by the horde isnt comparable IMO, to leaving a man in prison to tried and judged.

I plan to leave Blackwell to rot this time. Its not just about him murdering children, and its not just about him leaving one of his men to rot in prison in his stead. Those two things alone are awful. It is also the fact that he lied to the Inquisition and the information he provided could have caused significant damage. I really dislike his charactor big time!

 

Sten never denied what he did, but it always seemed to me like he was, in a way, denying that he was truly responsible for it.  The way he talked about it made it seem like he legitimately thought that there was no other way he could have reacted in that situation.  I think that both characters spend time running from what they did, but they do it in different ways.

 

Anyway, I bring Blackwall back because I think that he's a genuinely good person who has learned from his past mistakes and is very unlikely to allow himself to make them again.  Besides, if things had gone just a bit differently and the real Blackwall hadn't been killed, he would have had the Thedosian equivalent of immunity anyway.  There is obviously precedent that upholds the right of an organization to shield its members from prosecution.  

 

Also, I just really like Blackwall.

[Phoe77]

Also, in regards to Sten, it's even more difficult to be sure of what he's feeling and why he's feeling it because of just how alien his culture is.  I always get the feeling that most of his remorse and regret is over losing the sword and what that means regarding his standing in the Qun.  It's certainly possible that he is sad that he killed innocent people for no reason, but I don't think anyone can be sure either way.  

[ask_again_later]

Freed Blackwall for the first time. God. He is so WHINY. Whine whine whine. There's just no pleasing you is there?

[Scofield]

I kept a good tank to play the game, it is that simple

[duckley]

Sten never denied what he did and he did not pretend to be someone he was not. I think part of the decision to release him was not believing that anyone should die locked up in a cage at the hands of the darkspawn who were poised to devour the town.

 

However, both Sten and Blackwall should have paid for their crimes.

 

Blackwell's lie could have cost additional lives. A real warden may have shed some light on the "false calling" and on Cory. Maybe even a different ending for Hawke or Stroud would have resulted. But Blackwall  chose to continue his lie, whining and complaining and pontificating as he enjoyed the freedom his victims never could.

 

Blackwell needed to pay for his horrendous crime (as did Sten) - and not by living free to do good works. Kill men, women and children, and pay the price - your freedom.

Yes, the political system that encouraged this behavior should also be abolished...

[Melca36]

Sten never denied what he did and he did not pretend to be someone he was not. I think part of the decision to release him was not believing that anyone should die locked up in a cage at the hands of the darkspawn who were poised to devour the town.

 

However, both Sten and Blackwall should have paid for their crimes.

 

Blackwell's lie could have cost additional lives. A real warden may have shed some light on the "false calling" and on Cory. Maybe even a different ending for Hawke or Stroud would have resulted. But Blackwall  chose to continue his lie, whining and complaining and pontificating as he enjoyed the freedom his victims never could.

 

Blackwell needed to pay for his horrendous crime (as did Sten) - and not by living free to do good works. Kill men, women and children, and pay the price - your freedom.

Yes, the political system that encouraged this behavior should also be abolished...

 

I've actually let him live and let him to rot in the cell.

 

 

First, He's been my least favorite tank.  Cassandra and IB NEVER die for me. Blackwall always died.

 

Second, The Inquisition used those Grey Warden Treaties in a false pretense

 

Third, Hated how he is the ONLY character that comes off as passive aggressive if you pick up an item from his his memories of the Grey Wardens quest when he is NOT present.

 

Fourth,  He is an absolute bully to Dorian

 

Fifth, I went by Josephine's desk and heard her talking to her assistant about Blackwall bothering the quartermaster

 

Sixth: I find that kiss scene in the judgment sequence to be very distasteful.   You are the Inquisitor.  It does not put the Inquisition in the best light

 

That said...I have saved him. The beauty of this game is that you have the choice to do either.   But for Blackwall, half of my playthrough I have left him in that prison cell

[ComedicSociopathy]

Making him a real Grey Warden seemed far more productive then letting him get the noose.

 

Sort of a win-win situation in my mind. He either dies from the Taint, which allows the execution he arguably deserved to happen but only after he's helped defeat Corypheus. Or he becomes a Warden and devotes his life to slaying darkspawn for the good of Thedas. 

 

Win-win. 

[Cobra's_back]

Making him a real Grey Warden seemed far more productive then letting him get the noose.

 

Sort of a win-win situation in my mind. He either dies from the Taint, which allows the execution he arguably deserved to happen but only after he's helped defeat Corypheus. Or he becomes a Warden and devotes his life to slaying darkspawn for the good of Thedas. 

 

Win-win. 

 

Good point considering the wardens do take people from prison.

[Aren]

Or rather "save" him.

 

Why did you do it? 

Because his beard his awesome,i know is silly

[ask_again_later]

Because his beard his awesome,i know is silly

That's actually a fairly sound reason, in my opinion. XD

[JD Buzz]

I sent him to the wardens. It's fitting for him to become an actual warden than pretending to be one. 

[Daerog]

I really don't see the point of blighting every recruit between Blights, other than to have control over them all (well, a third anyway, the other two thirds just die immediately), and then lose equipment everytime someone gets their Calling and has to go die a very violent death... at least the Joining prevents female wardens from becoming broodmothers, I guess...

DA4 comes around, find out Blackwall died during the Joining... great... that served a purpose...

[MrMrPendragon]

I spent hours armoring him with the best crafted materials I could get at that point. If I threw him away, all that (forced) grinding would have gone to waste.

 

I needed a tank for my team. That said, if I ever feel motivated to play DAI in the future, I'll play a tank so I can leave him to rot

[c0bra951]

I spent hours armoring him with the best crafted materials I could get at that point. If I threw him away, all that (forced) grinding would have gone to waste.

 

I needed a tank for my team. That said, if I ever feel motivated to play DAI in the future, I'll play a tank so I can leave him to rot

 

Be careful with that.  In my dwarf-tank playthrough, I left Blackwall behind, and although I talked to him plenty at the strongholds, I never got his personal quest.  I tried every way I knew how to trigger it before Doom upon All the World, but it just would not happen.  My guess is that you're going to have to take him with you to find those memories of the grey.  He greatly approves (each time) when he's present, and slightly approves when he's not.

 

So ironically, I still couldn't judge him harshly when my inquisitor took over the champion-warrior role.

[_aLucidMind_]

He is like Sten in that he is a very good person who did a terrible thing, and has been constantly beating the crap out of himself for doing it. He turned himself in, knowing it's a certain death sentence, and seems to constantly think about how horrible a person he is. For those like him, death is a alleviation; it is closure. There is no closure for the living, so I feel he needs to live so he can remember what he did while redeeming himself as part of the Inquisition. He also insists on continuing to call him Blackwall, but stating it should be like a title so he has something to look up to and to honor the real Blackwall's memory.

[Get Magna Carter]

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I know that, because Sten became my Warden's friend & mentor. I believe even he deserves a second chance, and I'm not trying to declare winners & losers here. If anything, I wanted to say I personally had an easier time feeling compassion for Blackwall, if not by much. If anything furthermore, it shows how little I care for abandoning good people just because of the most primitive, most restrictive & unproductive form of dubious justice: "An eye for an eye."

 

Just a small comment that the concept of "An eye for an eye" was to set a MAXIMUM punishment

Before it's introduction, "justice" was even more dubious

 

Note - I'm not arguing. I spared Thom.  He felt genuine remorse.  He would not do anything like that again.  Killing him would not bring back the people he killed or prevent further deaths would instead stop "Blackwall" from doing good deeds and saving lives

[Dieb]

Just a small comment that the concept of "An eye for an eye" was to set a MAXIMUM punishment

Before it's introduction, "justice" was even more dubious

 

Very correct, actually! Thanks.

[Qun00]

In the grand scheme of things, what Blackwall did wasn't that much of a big deal.

Hired muscle for Orlesian nobles? That's pretty common.

And Blackwall did say he didn't know the guy's family was there.

[Gilli]

I pardoned him in both PTs. My first (where I messed up the Keep import and didn't have MY Warden/Hawke  ) and my current one, which I see as my canon PT/Inquisitor.

 

My reason is, if he would've stayed in jail and be executed, his dead wouldn't help anyone. It would only please the Orlesians, (I so do not care for their stupid Game) I could've sentenced him to go to the Wardens afterwards, but I like the whole:

 

"Be the man you want to be and not the man you were." (I don't remember the exact words, cause I didn't take a screenshot =/)

"If my future belongs to me, I put it into the service of the Inquisition. My sword belongs to you."

"Man your post, Thom Rainier."

 

To be honest, in my first PT I really didn't like him, I just found him boring, now in my second PT I actually started to like him. Maybe it's because I pay more attention to him this time and take him more often into battle.

 

I think will one day let him rot in the jail (maybe human noble?), but for now it doesn't suit the chara (mage Lavellan).

 

And now I stop, it's late and I'll probably start talking in circles if I continue.   

[ReadingRambo220]

I'm curious how many arguing in favor of leaving Blackwall in prison recruited Sten.

I was guilty of meta gaming the decision. I was intrigued at the prospect at seeing the post-prison banter with the other companions. I in fact didn't even tank with him (I used Bull as SnS), but the banter prospect made me very curious. This is just a game after all. Sending him to the Wardens seemed an acceptable fate.

In reality I would be almost paralyzed with indecision with each Judgment the Inquisitor makes. Everyone one of them was tough for me to decide. Being a judge is not a career decision I would ever undertake.

In hindsight, this whole thread has given me pause about the real world profession of a judge. It perhaps makes me respect them more for doing a tough job in society.

[metalfenix]

Making him a real Grey Warden seemed far more productive then letting him get the noose.

 

Sort of a win-win situation in my mind. He either dies from the Taint, which allows the execution he arguably deserved to happen but only after he's helped defeat Corypheus. Or he becomes a Warden and devotes his life to slaying darkspawn for the good of Thedas. 

 

Win-win. 

 

Yup, that's also my reasoning too. I always kept him, as I did with Sten.

[katling73]

I pardoned Blackwall because everything I heard indicated he was truly and genuinely remorseful for what he'd done and had done his best to atone. Afterwards, I got this banter between Blackwall and Cole and knew I'd done the right thing:

 

Blackwall: Cole, if you knew what I am, what I'd done, why didn't you tell the others?

Cole: Everyone hides dead things. Everyone pretends. You wanted to fix it.

Blackwall: I'm a murderer.

Cole: You don't want to be. You made a new you. You are Blackwall. You killed Rainier.

Blackwall: If only that were possible.

Cole: You would stand between Rainier and the carriage. But you can't. It doesn't work like that.

Cole: So you carry the bodies to remember.

Blackwall: I suppose I do.

[Kulyok]

I took him back in my first playthrough, because I'm a completionist and I wanted to see all the content(and it was pretty obvious I'd get his "whole" path/achievement only if I bring him back). I haven't romanced him, though, nor am I going to. I don't strongly dislike him, except for obligatory "children were murdered! innocent people! he belongs with Sten!", but I don't think he's a well-written character, to be honest. Iron Bull is, Solas is, he isn't.