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[Dabrikishaw]

I give him freedom because I felt he earned it by dedicating his live to the Grey Wardens and the Inquisition. I also think he became a genuinely good person after his treason. Blackwall being the best tank in the game is also a point in his favor here.

[Stelae]

I gave him to the Grey Wardens, because I figured after Blackwall (the original one) had recruited him, the Rite of Conscription was in effect.  I think the Grey Wardens offer a genuine chance for redemption, but more importantly, I think they have already claimed Ranier, and their rights supersede Orlesian justice.

 

Also, I liked him and wanted him to live.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I give him freedom because I felt he earned it by dedicating his live to the Grey Wardens and the Inquisition. I also think he became a genuinely good person after his treason. Blackwall being the best tank in the game is also a point in his favor here.

A genuinely good person wouldn't spend years living a lie to hide from their actions.

Or act self-righteous by lecturing others on subjects they have no right to. 

[Teddie Sage]

A genuinely good person wouldn't spend years living a lie to hide from their actions.

Or act self-righteous by lecturing others on subjects they have no right to. 

So you don't believe in "redemption"? You don't believe in "second chances"? You believe "people can't change"?
 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So you don't believe in "redemption"? You don't believe in "second chances"? You believe "people can't change"?
 

No, I believe in those things. His path to redemption begins when he finally drops the facade and accepts the consequences of his actions. Which is why I spare him and have him serve as a conscript for the Inquisition.

 

I was just pointing out a 'genuinely good person' wouldn't do the things Rainier did while masquerading as Blackwall, and even some things after. 

[Teddie Sage]

I still believe he's a good person, all he did was a terrible mistake as a mercenary. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I still believe he's a good person, all he did was a terrible mistake as a mercenary. 

The fact he knew the kids were in the carriage before the carriage was attacked makes this not a mistake. 

[Eelectrica]

Blackwall being dead doesn't help me much. And I find the Orlais 'justice sytem' a joke anyway.

[X Equestris]

By stealing his identity in order to avoid legal justice?

He was already avoiding justice by being recruited into the Wardens.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He was already avoiding justice by being recruited into the Wardens.

Not really. While not liked much by the governments, being conscripted into the Grey Wardens is seen as an accepted punishment for crimes in Thedas.

[X Equestris]

Not really. While not liked much by the governments, being conscripted into the Grey Wardens is seen as an accepted punishment for crimes in Thedas.

Yet many countries resent the Wardens' use of the Right of Conscription. It may be seen as acceptable, but it's not seen as justice.

[DAO MAdhatter]

Simple. He's a better tank than Cassandra.

[KaiserShep]

I got him out of prison because it seemed to me that regardless of his guilt, the fact that he wants to spend the rest of his life helping people at least makes him useful to that end, and is worthy of giving a chance. If the Inquisitor can consider him a friend again, whatever, but I'll be damned if I'm going to lose a useful ally to the Orlesians.

[duckley]

Again, another perfect chance for a Sten comparison. Sten also wanted to die and argues the Warden about freeing him unless you make him realize that you could help him repent in a better way than just dying in a cage.

At least Sten didnt hide what he had done. Given the darkspawn were ready to swarm down on Lothering, leaving him in a cage to be murdered by the horde isnt comparable IMO, to leaving a man in prison to tried and judged.

I plan to leave Blackwell to rot this time. Its not just about him murdering children, and its not just about him leaving one of his men to rot in prison in his stead. Those two things alone are awful. It is also the fact that he lied to the Inquisition and the information he provided could have caused significant damage. I really dislike his charactor big time!

[Darkstarr11]

I've saved him so far.  I debated it most with my human inquisitor (no romance), as this would be the one that would most personally affect them.  Elven Inqy is mixed, Qunari would be livid though.  I flipped a coin on that one...so he got lucky.  Seriously, for a mercenary with an eye to reputation, what Blackwall did would really be a gut punch.  Dwarves Inquisitor...forgiven.  After all, there is a good chance that you used to be a leg breaker (or worse) for the Carta.  No so different, ya know?  

 

Romanced Human Inquisitor forgave him, but broke up.  Forgiven, not forgotten?

[zambingo]

I figured Blackwall felt like being a Warden was penance before and since he now faced his crimes as himself I'd give him a chance to find penance for his real name. Of course I didn't know the game would just keep calling him Blackwall defeating that poetry, but oh well.

[vertigomez]

If you can forgive Leliana, you can forgive Blackwall.

[ashwind]

Those darn Orlesians love such games, they are all Game of Thrones fanatics. Hate the game not the player and probably most of Orlais is guilty of his crimes one way or another and in a more severe way. I cant let him be judged there. (Sera Approves  )

 

I took him out of them Orlrsian paws because.... I am the Inquisitor and I can.   Also, it is a far more serious offense to lie to the Inquisition; more specifically to lie to the Inquisitor. If he aint remorseful, he would have begged me to send him back to Orlais when I was done with him.

[zambingo]

If you can forgive Leliana, you can forgive Blackwall.

Fair point, however I am not certain Leliana participated in the deaths of children. Kinda next level **** there. lol Even with that I was fine having him live on to fight and perhaps positively affect others until he dies.

With that said, as a player I didn't believe he was a Warden for one second (not spoiled). There was no reason for my Quizzy to second guess him though so I recruited him and waited for the other shoe to drop... and damn that was one hell of a shoe.

[ashwind]

Fair point, however I am not certain Leliana participated in the deaths of children. Kinda next level **** there. lol Even with that I was fine having him live on to fight and perhaps positively affect others until he dies.

With that said, as a player I didn't believe he was a Warden for one second (not spoiled). There was no reason for my Quizzy to second guess him though so I recruited him and waited for the other shoe to drop... and damn that was one hell of a shoe.

 

Leliana might not have.... but I am not so sure about that and I am not so sure about the rest of those Orlesian aristocrats. True, they may not have swing the sword themselves but the dance that they do and the games that they play, sometimes not even for money or actual gains have caused peasants.(including children) directly and indirectly to die due to fighting, starvation etc. If they want to hang child murderers, I am sure they will have to hang most of their lords and ladies

 

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Killing for money = greed. I can understand. Playing stupid political games that get innocents kill because it is fashionable... that is truly a "whole new level of @#@#$" 

[evelynwarden]

Blackwall was in my three least liked characters - that being said, I did choose to keep him in my party. From a reputation or political standpoint, it makes absolutely no sense to keep him. Even if you use the war table options that sever ties and connections to the inquisition upon his release (leaving no trace) there are still consequences in the world for his actions. Another dies in his place. Were the inquisition to be directly tied to Rainier's release, like it can be, it causes unrest in the capitol, with good reason.

I kept him in the party for two main reasons: I don't like discarding my companions, ever. No matter the game, no matter how badly they irritate me (Like Sera, by far the most irritating character in the game, but still better than Vivienne), I feel like it's a waste of serious in-game resources to throw away an entire character, particularly since I know that I'm going to lose my other shield and sword companion at the end of the game due to my fairly consistent in-game choice to make Cassandra divine.

 

The second reason is that Rainier seems to genuinely, deep down desire to atone for his crimes. Does this mean that he needs to die or rot in prison, to put himself through great personal, physical cost to do so? No, I think he can better atone by serving the inquisition. There are characters that I balk at the idea of becoming agents and serving the inquisition to "atone" for whatever crime I charge them with - but I do it for the resources reason given above. Rainier would serve the people well, unlike some of those agents. That being said, I think that my inquisitor (and any inquisitor) never gets back on trusting  or even overly friendly terms with Blackwall unless they romance his character. The dialogue is curt from thereon out. This, for me, is an acceptable balance of accepting him back into the circle without going back like everything is just totally normal, which obviously, it is not.

 

My personal opinion is that I don't like Blackwall's decisions, but making my decision to keep him from the inquisitor's standpoint and not my gaming standpoint is the wisest one. I personally don't want him there, but I wouldn't have him anywhere else. 

[vertigomez]

Fair point, however I am not certain Leliana participated in the deaths of children. Kinda next level **** there. lol Even with that I was fine having him live on to fight and perhaps positively affect others until he dies.

That we know of. Even Zevran says that even if you try your hardest to make the job quick, easy, and clean... innocents sometimes get caught in the crossfire. And I'm sure Leliana, who seduced and killed and lied to the Warden about her identity, is all too familiar with that. She's still a good person, in my estimation. So's Blackwall.

[X Equestris]

Fair point, however I am not certain Leliana participated in the deaths of children. Kinda next level **** there. lol Even with that I was fine having him live on to fight and perhaps positively affect others until he dies.
With that said, as a player I didn't believe he was a Warden for one second (not spoiled). There was no reason for my Quizzy to second guess him though so I recruited him and waited for the other shoe to drop... and damn that was one hell of a shoe.

It is, though based on what we know I don't think Blackwall intended for the children to be there when he accepted the job.

I was content to believe he was a Warden at first, but when he made his comment about being in Ferelden during the Blight, I got suspicious. I wasn't expecting him to be what he was, though.

[PlasmaCheese]

I didn't keep Blackwall for any reason like liking him or "second chances" or whatever. I found him very meh, and it took me two playthroughs before finding out his entire story (he hated my first Inquisitor). I wasn't impressed by it, but Blackwall is an awesome tank. So he stayed even though I find him pretty pathetic as a person..

[Ashaantha]

Only once did I leave Blackwall to the fate he chose by turning himself in, and that was to unlock the keep tile tied to that decision. Usually I recruit everyone I possibly can, allowing them a second chance to do better, just because that's how I prefer to play.