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[Slevin424]

So I've stumbled on a few topics discussing this mission and what's the best option... a lot of them were too old to comment on and I've been through most of them trying to make a decision.

But on my second playthrough I had come to really enjoy Cole's company because he's not only interesting but he'll also give you some foreshadow and insight on people, places and most important... your other companions.

Without going into too much detail I'll say this, everything Cole has said is true or will become true in the future. He can tell you companion's deepest secrets that you wouldn't even learn in their romance plots. He's a walking spoiler. He seems to be a good person and wants to help people out, kinda. He isn't some paragon of ultimate goodness, but he wishes to rid people's pain and suffering so I figure he's genuinely a good... "person"

So when I brought Cole to this quest and ending it with Briala and Celene being reunited with Gaspard exiled Cole Greatly Approved. He'll also approve when you get all 3 to work together. He will approve of Duchess being exiled but only Greatly Approve if you kill her.

 

 

GAME THEORY: So Cole can obviously see into the future, we know Briala and Celene had an abusive relationship that ended in disaster. I originally thought bringing them back together would be wrong, but if Cole approves maybe their relationship will actually change and they will end up very happy together. If the relationship went back to pain and suffering (mostly on Briala's behalf) Cole wouldn't like that.

 

As for the Duchess, Cole will greatly approve if she dies. If she's exiled he only approves, maybe she ends up causing more trouble in the future or something. Cole seems against Gaspard ruling over the empire, but he's happy with all 3 of them working together. So maybe Gaspard alone wouldn't turn out to be a good leader. As for Briala maybe she actually wishes to unite the elves and humans instead of putting the elves above all else, causing suffering for humans. Cole wouldn't want anyone to suffer, so maybe his approval shows some happy endings with this choice.

 

Cole seems to be a very important piece of this puzzle. But that's just a theory....

What do you think?

[Phalaenopsis]

So I've stumbled on a few topics discussing this mission and what's the best option... a lot of them were too old to comment on and I've been through most of them trying to make a decision.

But on my second playthrough I had come to really enjoy Cole's company because he's not only interesting but he'll also give you some foreshadow and insight on people, places and most important... your other companions.

Without going into too much detail I'll say this, everything Cole has said is true or will become true in the future. He can tell you companion's deepest secrets that you wouldn't even learn in their romance plots. He's a walking spoiler. He seems to be a good person and wants to help people out, kinda. He isn't some paragon of ultimate goodness, but he wishes to rid people's pain and suffering so I figure he's genuinely a good... "person"

So when I brought Cole to this quest and ending it with Briala and Celene being reunited with Gaspard exiled Cole Greatly Approved. He'll also approve when you get all 3 to work together. He will approve of Duchess being exiled but only Greatly Approve if you kill her.

 

 

GAME THEORY: So Cole can obviously see into the future, we know Briala and Celene had an abusive relationship that ended in disaster. I originally thought bringing them back together would be wrong, but if Cole approves maybe their relationship will actually change and they will end up very happy together. If the relationship went back to pain and suffering (mostly on Briala's behalf) Cole wouldn't like that.

 

As for the Duchess, Cole will greatly approve if she dies. If she's exiled he only approves, maybe she ends up causing more trouble in the future or something. Cole seems against Gaspard ruling over the empire, but he's happy with all 3 of them working together. So maybe Gaspard alone wouldn't turn out to be a good leader. As for Briala maybe she actually wishes to unite the elves and humans instead of putting the elves above all else, causing suffering for humans. Cole wouldn't want anyone to suffer, so maybe his approval shows some happy endings with this choice.

 

Cole seems to be a very important piece of this puzzle. But that's just a theory....

What do you think?

I'm not sure Cole can see the future. I don't remember any banter where he actually says what's going to happen. He has a deep insight on what happened, what's happening and more particularly what people felt or are feeling which enables him to draw conclusions (which are sometimes inacurate, due to his lack of comprehension of the "normal" world). 

So I don't think his approval or disapproval of this or that choice in WE&WH is due to what he foresees but to what he feels is more fair/just according to what all these very sweet people did.

[Slevin424]

I'm not sure Cole can see the future. I don't remember any banter where he actually says what's going to happen. He has a deep insight on what happened, what's happening and more particularly what people felt or are feeling which enables him to draw conclusions (which are sometimes inacurate, due to his lack of comprehension of the "normal" world). 

So I don't think his approval or disapproval of this or that choice in WE&WH is due to what he foresees but to what he feels is more fair/just according to what all these very sweet people did.

 

Some of his really weird or completely random lines won't make sense at first but eventually they always tie into something later. I guess I wouldn't say he can see the future but he gets glimpses of what's to come. Seriously, you should try a complete playthrough with him lol it's mind bottling.

[andy6915]

Some of his really weird or completely random lines won't make sense at first but eventually they always tie into something later. I guess I wouldn't say he can see the future but he gets glimpses of what's to come. Seriously, you should try a complete playthrough with him lol it's mind bottling.

 

It's more like extreme perception can make one seem like they can read the future. He can read their minds and intentions and histories and extrapolate from that a future outcome that he sees as highly likely. There's an enemy called Telethia in a favorite game of mine, and they can read minds to great extent too. The main character actually can see the future and even uses it as a combat style by seeing the moves his opponent is going to do before even they know they're about to do it... But the telethia damn near beat him the first time he fights them, and that's because his future reading doesn't matter because they read his mind and adjust their movements to counter his counter based on his own visions of the future of what they're about to do before they do it. Confused? Watch the scene.

 

Skip to 1:20 if it goes to the wrong time.

 

https://www.youtube....Z84UWORgG8#t=81

 

 

Mind reading can let you predict things without actually seeing the future, and in many ways it can even be superior for predicting than future reading is. And mind reading is Cole's specialty.

[Phalaenopsis]

Some of his really weird or completely random lines won't make sense at first but eventually they always tie into something later. I guess I wouldn't say he can see the future but he gets glimpses of what's to come. Seriously, you should try a complete playthrough with him lol it's mind bottling.

Just so you know, Cole is a PERMANENT party member for me. And after 3 1/2 playthroughs I almost know his lines by heart... ;-) (probably also because I listen to party banters in my car, I love their voices so much!!)

 

It's more like extreme perception can make one seem like they can read the future. He can read their minds and intentions and histories and extrapolate from that a future outcome that he sees as highly likely. There's an enemy called Telethia in a favorite game of mine, and they can read minds to great extent too. The main character actually can see the future and even uses it as a combat style by seeing the moves his opponent is going to do before even they know they're about to do it... But the telethia damn near beat him the first time he fights them, and that's because his future reading doesn't matter because they read his mind and adjust their movements to counter his counter based on his own visions of the future of what they're about to do before they do it. Confused? Watch the scene.

 

Skip to 1:20 if it goes to the wrong time.

 

https://www.youtube....Z84UWORgG8#t=81

 

 

Mind reading can let you predict things without actually seeing the future, and in many ways it can even be superior for predicting than future reading is. And mind reading is Cole's specialty.

I totally agree. Exactly what I meant.

[d1ta]

Ahhhh Cole.. my little sweetheart of an assassin.
How I love him to bits.

Pair him with Dorian in WE/WH and their interaction was grand.

[Phalaenopsis]

Ahhhh Cole.. my little sweetheart of an assassin.
How I love him to bits.

Pair him with Dorian in WE/WH and their interaction was grand.

 

Ah? I never took them both for that mission. What do they do?

[d1ta]

Cole-Dorian banter when you enter the servant's quarters.
It became one of my favourite line in the game

[Phalaenopsis]

What do they say??? Please tell me! (I'm going to miss it again in this playthrough as I'm playing a mage elf romancing Solas this time and I don't want to miss the dance scene...)

[berelinde]

I love Cole, I really do... but I'd be afraid to use him as a moral compass for big decisions. He chooses what he thinks will help the people involved in the here and now, not what is best in the long term. I'm not saying that to criticize him! It's just that he's so focused on immediate pains that he often fails to anticipate the outcome of his actions. He's still learning about the world. He deserves some slack.

 

So yeah, I get a happy little smile when I reunite Celene and Briala and bask in Cole's approval over it... but I'm not going to let Cole's disapproval prevent me from keeping the Wardens in Orlais. Nobody knows where the next Blight will strike. My character doesn't know the particulars, but he believes Blackwall and Iron Bull when they say that banishing the only people capable of stopping a Blight is a bad idea.

[andy6915]

I love Cole, I really do... but I'd be afraid to use him as a moral compass for big decisions. He chooses what he thinks will help the people involved in the here and now, not what is best in the long term. I'm not saying that to criticize him! It's just that he's so focused on immediate pains that he often fails to anticipate the outcome of his actions. He's still learning about the world. He deserves some slack.
 
So yeah, I get a happy little smile when I reunite Celene and Briala and bask in Cole's approval over it... but I'm not going to let Cole's disapproval prevent me from keeping the Wardens in Orlais. Nobody knows where the next Blight will strike. My character doesn't know the particulars, but he believes Blackwall and Iron Bull when they say that banishing the only people capable of stopping a Blight is a bad idea.

Especially when you figure that DAO gave evidence that the Archdemons, and thus the blights, specifically target nations that seem like the places where Wardens are specifically lacking. It seemed to be dangerously convenient that the blight just happened to hit the one nation in Thedas with the smallest number of Grey Wardens, a place where they had been banished as of just a few decades beforehand. If Orlais really does get Wardens banished, you can probably place Thedas currency down on a bet that Orlais will likely be where the next blight kicks up.

[Slevin424]

Cole-Dorian banter when you enter the servant's quarters.
It became one of my favourite line in the game

 

I wanted to do a romance with Sera as well so I had her, Cole and Blackwall as my main party. Turned out to be a great playthrough. People often debate about Cole dual wield vs Sera bow and which is better DPS. My answer, take them both! Enemy healthbars melt away before I can even pop my Fade Step into Spirit Blade. Plus their banter is really interesting. I actually learned why Sera is... Sera. Sad story

 

 

It's more like extreme perception can make one seem like they can read the future. He can read their minds and intentions and histories and extrapolate from that a future outcome that he sees as highly likely. There's an enemy called Telethia in a favorite game of mine, and they can read minds to great extent too. The main character actually can see the future and even uses it as a combat style by seeing the moves his opponent is going to do before even they know they're about to do it... But the telethia damn near beat him the first time he fights them, and that's because his future reading doesn't matter because they read his mind and adjust their movements to counter his counter based on his own visions of the future of what they're about to do before they do it. Confused? Watch the scene.

 

Skip to 1:20 if it goes to the wrong time.

 

https://www.youtube....Z84UWORgG8#t=81

 

 

Mind reading can let you predict things without actually seeing the future, and in many ways it can even be superior for predicting than future reading is. And mind reading is Cole's specialty.

 

 

Yeah, perception is the word I was looking for. Even without perception Cole wouldn't approve of reuniting the lovers if he thought their relationship would still be abusive and torturous. After really going through this mission as well as reading some lore on it, their relationship got really nasty towards the end. We're not just talking about a pimp hand and b-word make me sammich stuff, but... let's just say **** got real.
 

My personal opinion, all three of them are screwed up in the head so there really isn't a "good" ending to this storyline but rather a "best scenario for the people" ending. Once I saw Cole approve though, I couldn't help but trust his judgement. Given his special abilities and his knack for helping people stop their suffering.

[andy6915]

I wanted to do a romance with Sera as well so I had her, Cole and Blackwall as my main party. Turned out to be a great playthrough. People often debate about Cole dual wield vs Sera bow and which is better DPS. My answer, take them both! Enemy healthbars melt away before I can even pop my Fade Step into Spirit Blade. Plus their banter is really interesting. I actually learned why Sera is... Sera. Sad story

Oh? Sad story? I want to hear it.

[Slevin424]

Oh? Sad story? I want to hear it.

 

That's what I love about his banter/dialog/plot. He never truly gives the full story, he leaves just enough for speculation. These comments alone have caused at least hundreds of topics on what happened.
 

Direct Banter

• Cole: She tried. The cookies were good until the hate made it bitter in your mouth.
• Sera: Not there creepy. Go rooting in that part of me and I'll stripe you up, you hear?
• Cole: Everyone heard. You're scary in another place.

Making some comments on people

• [Sera] "Fleet-footed and free, the arrow that caught the miller's sack, but no longer shot alone, aquiver in a quiver."
• [Sera] "She hurts, but helping hurts more. She sees the strings that pull me, eyes like raisins in a stale cookie."
• [Sera] "Shite. He's wrong. Dead-eyed crazy, shite. I called him a 'him'. Is he alive, is everything alive, shite. I hate raisins."

(Rest of comments don't really tie in but I think they do. Romance plot with her also adds some information... not much though)

Seems to me she had a family and a normal life but the feud between elves and humans reached Sera's home. I'm guessing she was eating cookies before bed one night and the raiders came into their town to kill the elves in the area so her father grabbed her and pulled her over to hide under a bed or inside a closet. Raiders came in, killed her parents and as they scour the place Sera desperately tries to not chew or spit it out so she doesn't make any noise. Ties into his constant mention of "bitter sweet" to Sera's life.

 

Her hate isn't against humans, but rather the ideals that lead people to kill simply based on belief or race. That's why she never wants to take sides. To far left or right will only make her feel like she's become the very thing that killed her parents.

[Arvaarad]

Even without perception Cole wouldn't approve of reuniting the lovers if he thought their relationship would still be abusive and torturous.

Spirits are shaped and limited by the minds of the living. When people are broken up for a while, even people who are terrible for each other, weird emotional stuff happens. They can start to forget (or more accurately, to minimize) what drove them apart in the first place. To the point where they genuinely feel like they'd be happier if they just made up and got back together, regardless of any major incompatibilities like, to pick a wild example, killing their lover's parents.

Spirits don't react to facts. They react to emotions. They have no concept of later, only now. The heat of the moment.

And in the heat of the moment, Celene and Briala miss each other terribly and are smack in the middle of the post-breakup dumb decisions phase. They think they'll be happier together, so that's what Cole thinks too.