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[Deebo305]

I'm not sure I would call a squad of eight walking clichés "well done".

I was tthinking it but you had the balls to say

[The Invader]

A bad dream. And a blues song.
 
 


 
Hmm. I learn something new everyday...
 
 
 
edgelord
Fedora tipping, fat **** that spends his life on anime cartoon message boards being a worthless pile of ****. Nobody likes this guy but he acts like he doesn't care. He's a pathetic, lost kissless virgin that should just kill himself.
Todd is an autistic edgelord that spends his entire day on /a/ while he waits for his mom to make him hot pockets.

When and why did autism get lumped together with fedora wearing hipsters?

[Mister J]

Oxford is the perfect name for a Vorcha. Other than that, it's the squad that Conrad Verner would assemble...

[Helios969]

I will applaud the effort. Oxford is the only one that intrigues.

[Quarian Master Race]

I just like the look of the class/race/gender make-ups of some of the characters. I would like to have a Quarian that isn't as squishy as Tali was, and more combat inclined; an Asari Squadmate that isn't an adept; and anything like Nyreen I like. The appearances not so much...

I find myself liking the idea of Oxford the Vorcha more each time. I like to think he has a top hat, smokes a pipe, and has an appreciation of modern art.

Squishy? Tali had the highest shield pool in the first game, 2nd highest in the 2nd game (along with a power that could recharge them off of anything with shields or barriers), and 2nd highest in the 3rd game along with 40% DR (same as James's fortification) and the ability to regain full shields every 5 seconds. If she gets downed a lot, it's because you aren't micromanaging at all and are allowing herp derp squad AI to energy drain health/armor targets, hack organics or waste cooldowns spamming drones at targets that aren't a threat, but she's always been one of the tankier characters.
 

But I would like a different type of Quarian squadmate, because as much as I love Tali, she's pretty much the prime example of a normal Quarian. That's not bad, considering she's a prodigy in Tech and is more skilled in her field than any other Quarian, in addition to the fact that she was supposed to be the first Quarian we encounter. However, I want one that is different in the sense that tech is a small part of their skill range, and they rely more on stealth or straight up combat. My mental image of a character like that would be a Quarian with a Cerberus Harrier like you see in MP, but that's just me honestly.

This goes for really any character, as ones that don't fit in line with stereotypes add more depth to their respective cultures IMO. Kal'Reegar was a good example for quarians, a grunt who was seemingly almost completely ignorant as far as being tech savvy goes. Then you have characters like Kirrahe for the salarians, Fortack for krogan and Lilihierax and Nyreen for turians.

They could just as easily make a quarian squadmate who is more versed in the natural/ biological sciences rather than engineering, ala Mordin (hey, they have to be good at bioengineering, considering how they grow their food on the Liveships) as they could a soldier type like Reegar or Gerrel, or even a combination of tech/combat like the two quarian infiltrators in MP. They could give us a turian for engineering/ ship's mechanic just as easily. I'd also really like to see a krogan who is in a non martial occupation. Salarian biotics is something that has as of yet been completely unexplored, though it is acknowledged that they do exist in rare numbers just like the turians. Nevermind that all the species but humans and quarians could use some more gender equality (except those who don't have them). All sorts of interesting ideas to explore before even getting to new species.

[NM_Che56]

A Vorcha named "Oxford". LOL. Does he have a monocle?

[CrutchCricket]

Can you handle even more edge?

http://imgur.com/a/GCyvh

But be warned, it contains Vin Diesel AND a Drell that is exactly Riddick.

Oh look, I found that Quarian's fedora.
 

Mordin has a tophat. Your argument is invalid.

 

As for the OP, the yahg would just eat everyone.

 

Also I don't know if "Oxford" is ironic but if it isn't, I had the idea for a "smart vorcha" before this was posted. Maybe not before it was created though. Can't be bothered to look that up.

[mrjack]

Squishy? Tali had the highest shield pool in the first game, 2nd highest in the 2nd game (along with a power that could recharge them off of anything with shields or barriers), and 2nd highest in the 3rd game along with 40% DR (same as James's fortification) and the ability to regain full shields every 5 seconds. If she gets downed a lot, it's because you aren't micromanaging at all and are allowing herp derp squad AI to energy drain health/armor targets, hack organics or waste cooldowns spamming drones at targets that aren't a threat, but she's always been one of the tankier characters.

 

Max Shields/Health per character including +25% from outfit if available:

 

James

1722/1722 +40% DR from Fortification

 

Kaidan 

1000/1000 +30%DR from Barrier, 40%DR from Reave

 

Ashley

1000/1000

 

EDI 

875/875 +30DR from Defense Matrix

 

Garrus

875/875

 

Javik

900/750

 

Tali + 40% DR from Energy Drain

750/750

 

Liara

937/375

 

So only Liara is squishier. Also ED cannot be on all the time and is only effective when there is a shield/barrier or geth to drain whereas Reave can be used on any organic enemy no matter the protection. To keep ED defense up you would have to forgo using other powers which is basically the hole point of having Tali on geth missions.

[L. Han]

Maybe it's just the model lighting, but they all seem to like cohesion and look very flat. Aside from that, a sengoku period Katana in space seems really out of place. There's more I could say, but they would be easily solved if time was taken to give more visual personality.

 

"freaken brilliant" might be stretching it though.

 

P.S. I am aware that there's swords in ME3. And yes, they seem out of place too.

[CronoDragoon]

I can criticize dumb stuff without making better stuff. Do you think film critics are also Oscar-winning filmmakers?

 

There's a bit of a difference between a Roger Ebert article and the poops you've been taking in this thread, of course.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

 

 

So only Liara is squishier. Also ED cannot be on all the time and is only effective when there is a shield/barrier or geth to drain whereas Reave can be used on any organic enemy no matter the protection. To keep ED defense up you would have to forgo using other powers which is basically the hole point of having Tali on geth missions.

Thanks for the slight correction. Her theoretical maximum is indeed lower than Kaidan and slightly lower than EDI's as well. I Forgot that ED can't increase your shield pool past maximum in ME3 like it could in ME2. I always spec all squadmates for damage or recharge in passives and never use the shield increasing armors, since hardly any of them ever die for me anyway, and in those circumstances she comes out to be tougher than anyone but James and Kaidan. Didn't even calculate the other way because I don't know why anyone ever would.

Your conclusion is not entirely correct, though. After calculating DR, Tali's going to be tougher than Garrus, Javik and Ashley even if you choose to suboptimally spec them all for shields instead of damage (its a bit complex because of 40% out of cover penalty, but squadmates virtually always seek cover anyway). Also, ED is the most useful power against geth mobs because of tech bursts, and spamming it over and over is usually the quickest way to take care of them since it also detonates all tech effects when used on synthetics, armor and health included. Sabotage is good for primes and organic factions because of backfire priming and Tech Vulnerability. Hacking is useless unless you can't kill the enemy very fast. Neither of the drones really has much utility in this game, either, at least in singleplayer where everything dies so quickly anyway.

[XAN]

I wish I never clicked on this topic.

[mrjack]

Thanks for the slight correction. Her theoretical maximum is indeed lower than Kaidan and slightly lower than EDI's as well. I Forgot that ED can't increase your shield pool past maximum in ME3 like it could in ME2. I always spec all squadmates for damage or recharge in passives and never use the shield increasing armors, since hardly any of them ever die for me anyway, and in those circumstances she comes out to be tougher than anyone but James and Kaidan. Didn't even calculate the other way because I don't know why anyone ever would.

Your conclusion is not entirely correct, though. After calculating DR, Tali's going to be tougher than Garrus, Javik and Ashley even if you choose to suboptimally spec them all for shields instead of damage (its a bit complex because of 40% out of cover penalty, but squadmates virtually always seek cover anyway). Also, ED is the most useful power against geth mobs because of tech bursts, and spamming it over and over is usually the quickest way to take care of them since it also detonates all tech effects when used on synthetics, armor and health included. Sabotage is good for primes and organic factions because of backfire priming and Tech Vulnerability. Hacking is useless unless you can't kill the enemy very fast. Neither of the drones really has much utility in this game, either, at least in singleplayer where everything dies so quickly anyway.

 

One of these days I'll do a Tali romance even though her little girl shtick creeps me out and I'll take her everywhere on insanity to see how she fares.

[Quarian Master Race]

One of these days I'll do a Tali romance even though her little girl shtick creeps me out and I'll take her everywhere on insanity to see how she fares.

Little girl shtick? What do you mean? She's in her mid twenties by ME2 IIRC. She does do the fangirl thing for a bit in ME2 for maleshep, much like Liara if you don't tell her off, but that's just the sort of character she is; looks up to Shepard because (s)he is a little older and more accomplished.
 

[Han Yolo]

Nice ladies, sure, but where are my handsome lads? Krogan won't do it, sorry. 

[Seyd71]

One of these days I'll do a Tali romance even though her little girl shtick creeps me out and I'll take her everywhere on insanity to see how she fares.

Little girl shtick?

[mrjack]

 

Little girl shtick? What do you mean? She's in her mid twenties by ME2 IIRC. She does do the fangirl thing for a bit in ME2 for maleshep, much like Liara if you don't tell her off, but that's just the sort of character she is; looks up to Shepard because (s)he is a little older and more accomplished.
 

 

 

It's her cutesy voice that bugs me. Liara's soft and "sultry" voice gets on my nerves too after a while. I think Ali Hillis and Liz Sroka are excellent voice actresses and I believe them as characters but neither speak like that in real life so it was a design choice that, while I understand, makes the characters sound a little affected (to me). I still have a soft spot for them and I'm glad they're part of the squad and story - I just take them both in small doses.

 

All that being said, I've never really taken the time to take Tali on a lot of missions so maybe she would grow on me. I've only done Liara's romance once and I've never done Tali's. I've had plans to but chicken out at the last minute as soon as she says "Sheparrrd..." She sounds so young... it's creepy.

[Quarian Master Race]

 

That was a mistake...to be anything like Liara. She didn't need to grow up in the first place. I like her intro in ME1... the lighting is dark/noir-ish, the Turian is sleazy, and she handles herself like a strong woman.

I agree completely, but I don't think that a display of vulnerablities and affections (or difficulty doing so) towards close confidants necessarily overrides her strong personality in other areas or situations, because people are more complex than that. She never really loses that directness in the majority of interactions with characters other than the ones she is friendly with (except when the narrative's stupidity requires it like in her optional ME3 death).

​Liara's always a bit shy and still loves you even if you threaten to throw her into a volcano, so I don't think it's entirely comparable, especially considering that with Tali it is mostly limited to one gender of Shepard and unlike the former, there are plenty of ways to ****** her off anyway (speaking/acting kindly of Cerberus, disregarding her in the LM or Legion argument), compared to a lot of other characters.
 

[Quarian Master Race]

It's her cutesy voice that bugs me. Liara's soft and "sultry" voice gets on my nerves too after a while. I think Ali Hillis and Liz Shroka are excellent voice actresses and I believe them as characters but neither speak like that in real life so it was a design choice that, while I understand, makes the characters sound a little affected (too me). I still have a soft spot for them and I'm glad they're part of the squad and story - I just take them both in small doses.

 

All that being said, I've never really taken the time to take Tali on a lot of missions so maybe she would grow on me. I've only done Liara's romance once and I've never done Tali's. I've had plans to but chicken out at the last minute as soon as she says "Sheparrrd..." She sounds so young... it's creepy.

I don't get that at all. Her voice sounds fine to me and in no way "cutesy", though English isn't my first language so I may characterize accents differently. She sounds like a twentysomthing woman from Romania to me. Don't have a problem with Liara's voice either.

She's 24-25 in ME2-3. Shepard is 31-32. I don't get the creepy vibes if you want to do the romance, but it is subjective I guess.

 

It doesn't override it, no. I still like the character. I think they play up the girly, sentimental stuff too much though.. and didn't capture her tougher, more cunning part. They did a better job in the Homeworld comic. It made me see again how tough and independent she is. Liara could never do that (at least not that early in the story). Maybe it's to contrast Miranda and Jack though. Weekes had a part in writing them too. You can't have too much overlap on the same ship, I guess. Tali's supposed to be the least "difficult" one.

I agree with that part, and think it was probably done mostly for her (male) fans in later games. I'm of two minds on that stuff because I think she represents a strong female character that isn't necessarily given strength by discarding everything that is considered feminine, so I do appreciate that aspect of the character. I don't agree they didn't capture the tough, direct and cunningly savvy kid that we met in the first game later on, though they stopped emphasizing it as much. It still shows through for me in later installments, though not as often as it should IMO. You have to bring her on missions to get a lot of her better lines in that regard.

Agreed that her Homeworlds is a good portrayal.
 

[mrjack]

I don't get that at all. Her voice sounds fine to me and in no way "cutesy", though English isn't my first language so I may characterize accents differently. She sounds like a twentysomthing woman from Romania to me. Don't have a problem with Liara's voice either.

She's 24-25 in ME2-3. Shepard is 31-32. I don't get the creepy vibes if you want to do the romance, but it is subjective I guess.

 

 

She has a non-native accent but it's indistinct.  Shohreh Aghdashloo who plays Shala'Raan is Iranian and they speak similarly. Han'Gerrel, Zaal'Koris and Daro'Zen all have English accents while Kal'Reegar, Kenn (Kenn's salvage), Veetor and the quarian women you see on the Citadel and Illium all have American accents. It's confusing.

 

I think they play up the girly, sentimental stuff too much though.. 

 

This is probably what bothers me... like that Fleet and Flotilla movie she's obsessed with.

[Quarian Master Race]

She has a non-native accent but it's indistinct.  Shohreh Aghdashloo who plays Shala'Raan is Iranian and they speak similarly. Han'Gerrel, Zaal'Koris and Daro'Zen all have English accents while Kal'Reegar, Kenn (Kenn's salvage), Veetor and the quarian women you see on the Citadel and Illium all have American accents. It's confusing.

 

 

This is probably what bothers me... like that Fleet and Flotilla movie she's obsessed with.

Slightly pedantic correction: Daro'Xen's actor is Australian

I chalk it up to quarians not being a monoculture. They are clan based, and it isn't unreasonable to assume that there are differing dialects of Khelish just as there are for virtually any other language. Most of the inhabitants of the Rayya (Tali's birthship) tend to have a similar inflection to her, for example, as does Rael'Zorah.

*shrug* I like some chick flicks and don't think it makes me into a weak, cutesy or immature person.