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[Rhidor]

I wasn't really convinced by what I saw of the first Inquisition DLC so far, but I thought to give it a try once it comes to the PS4.
 
I just found this description on the PS Store for the content:
 
Enter an overgrown wilderness filled with Avvar, fierce hunters who settled in the southern mountains of Thedas. Explore their culture to uncover the fate of the last Inquisitor and the dragon he pursued. In this new adventure, you'll face powerful foes, gain legendary loot, and confront an ancient god of war bent on destroying the world.

 

Is the main antagonist really that shallow? I mean... destroying the world... there's probably no motive worse (and kind of laughable) than this.

 

 

[Jaron Oberyn]

Is this your first bioware game? Judging by your badges it isn't so I'm not sure why you're surprised. They don't really do complex villains. It's generally black and white, cookie cutter. Saren was the only main antagonist I could think of that didn't entirely fit that mold.

[Taki17]

Is this your first bioware game? Judging by your badges it isn't so I'm not sure why you're surprised. They don't really do complex villains. It's generally black and white, cookie cutter. Saren was the only main antagonist I could think of that didn't entirely fit that mold.

Loghain begs to differ.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Loghain wasn't really a villain. That's all dependent on your perspective. I will give it to Bioware that they can write incredibly complex companions, but when it comes to villains they tend to drop the ball. Look at the leaked synopsis for the next mass effect for example. "An ancient alien race that wants to destroy the galaxy". Really? Again? This has also been the plot for most of the story lines in the SWTOR mmo. Then there's the similarity in the plot "gather your allies and join up to stop the forces of eeebil!" (That's ebil with a b ). Like I said cookie cutter. Even the companions to a degree. How many are we going to have with daddy issues? Its like they have a list and check things off as they create their characters.

[thats1evildude]

I would play the DLC to learn about the actual plot before passing judgement based on a three-line synopsis from the PS store, but suffice it to say that the villain of the story actually does have sympathetic motives, and said "god of war" is more like the weapon he is using to achieve his ends.

[Taki17]

I'm not debaiting that BW uses a lot of clichés in their games. And a real lot. But for the most part, they are well crafted and enjoyable clichés. Saving the world from an ancient, unkown evil is always a great setting, and if written, developed and presented well, it won't feel as cliché as it really is, even if you know that this is not the first, nor the last game/book/movie/whatever in which you'll be saving the world from the certain doom.

 

Loghain is definitely an antagonist, as he hinders the Wardens' efforts to stop the Blight and you'll need to deal with him, that's why I counted him as a villain.

[Rhidor]

I would play the DLC to learn about the actual plot before passing judgement based on a three-line synopsis from the PS store, but suffice it to say that the villain of the story actually does have sympathetic motives, and said "god of war" is more like the weapon he is using to achieve his ends.

 

I wasn't judging yet. I just want to know a little about what I'll get when I spend 15€ on something, and I feared this DLC could be a disappointment. 

[Rhidor]

Is this your first bioware game? Judging by your badges it isn't so I'm not sure why you're surprised. They don't really do complex villains. It's generally black and white, cookie cutter. Saren was the only main antagonist I could think of that didn't entirely fit that mold.

 

Additionally to Loghain and Saren we have characters like The Illusive Man, The Architect and even Knight-Commander Meredith to name a few. As Inquisition isn't my first BioWare game, I expected a villain like one we had in the past, especially as this DLC is on a smaller scope than a full game and doesn't need some world-threatening evil.

[Taki17]

I wasn't judging yet. I just want to know a little about what I'll get when I spend 15€ on something, and I feared this DLC could be a disappointment. 

Well, the DLC in itself its not a big deal at all, or at least certainly not for this price. You'll get a new area to explore (which is, I have to admit, is beautiful), more opportunities to gain power and a lots of stuff to read on Avvar lore and a few on ancient Inquisiton lore. There are a few cutscenes too. In short, its clearly a side story and should be treated as one. If you've enjoyed Inquistions gameplay and want more, then go for it. Otherwise, keep the money for something else, like one of the next DLCs, which will probably add some interesting and vital adventure to the game (much like Arrival for ME 2 and Legacy for DA2).

[Jedi Master of Orion]

That's actually not really the best way to describe Haakon. He's a god of war. Battle and fighting is his purpose. A more accurate way to describe him would probably be bent on bringing destruction across the world.

[Lebanese Dude]

Is this your first bioware game? Judging by your badges it isn't so I'm not sure why you're surprised. They don't really do complex villains. It's generally black and white, cookie cutter. Saren was the only main antagonist I could think of that didn't entirely fit that mold.

 

Loghain.

 

Arishok.

 

Meredith.

 

Cerberus (The Illusive Man).

 

Reapers.

 

Spoiler

 

Solas

 

[Zatche]

Jaws of Hakkon's main story isn't really a character-driven piece. It allows you to explore some new lore more than anything else.

[In Exile]

Loghain begs to differ.

He's either an idiot or a lunatic depending on whether you buy the WOG about his not having a deal in place with Howe pre-Ostagar. But he's not deep or complex or even grey. Even by the standard of his own culture.

[Deebo305]

Hard and Honest truth about the enemy if your still inclined to be convinced OP

Spoiler

Technically Hakkon is just a powerful corrpted spirit, the real enemy would be the Hakkonites who are essentially powerful,wild,unpredictable fanatics plain and simple

Fanatics don't need big motivation to do horrific acts, they just have to believe their cause is just and all others wrong

[JEMEDAOME2]

Jade  Empire's true antagonist (and those who have played the game will know who) is arguably one of the  best villains in gaming Like Palpatine level evil  I dare you to find a  Bioware villain since Jade Empire you could both admire and hate with equal measure (the illusive man doesn't count cos you can totally see plotting away)  While Bioware's recent games may not have had stellar antagonists to say they have never had complex or interesting bad guys is a bit much

[Dieb]

Always with a thread standing at order arms, BSN!

 

I carefully advise you to finish the questline with the Augur and his apprentice to understand why this motive of the Avaar god is in fact very intentionally very narrow-minded.

 

Finish the DLC and if you still hate the reasoning, I'll shut up.

[Temporary Measures]

I'd have liked more face time with the villain(s).  Sometimes a bit of back and forth is good or your foes become too faceless.

[Majestic Jazz]

Loghain begs to differ.

 

So does The Illusive Man

 

[leaguer of one]

I wasn't judging yet. I just want to know a little about what I'll get when I spend 15€ on something, and I feared this DLC could be a disappointment. 

Want you learn what going on it makes sense and it's not shallow. Anymore details would be spoilers.

[AshenSugar]

DA:2, despite it's flawed execution, attempted to break away from the standard 'evil thing(s) who want to destroy the world' routine and tell a smaller, more personal story.

 

Many people complained that the story felt too insular, and not epic enough.

[Urazz]

I'm not debaiting that BW uses a lot of clichés in their games. And a real lot. But for the most part, they are well crafted and enjoyable clichés. Saving the world from an ancient, unkown evil is always a great setting, and if written, developed and presented well, it won't feel as cliché as it really is, even if you know that this is not the first, nor the last game/book/movie/whatever in which you'll be saving the world from the certain doom.

 

Loghain is definitely an antagonist, as he hinders the Wardens' efforts to stop the Blight and you'll need to deal with him, that's why I counted him as a villain.

To be fair, it's hard to be pretty original in this day and age where every kind of story has been told in some fashion.

 

DA:2, despite it's flawed execution, attempted to break away from the standard 'evil thing(s) who want to destroy the world' routine and tell a smaller, more personal story.

 

Many people complained that the story felt too insular, and not epic enough.

That wasn't really a complaint if I recall.  At the most it was a minor complaint.  Most of the complaints were about other things like the maps being recycled all the time, combat being too fast, etc.

[Kulyok]

I carefully advise you to finish the questline with the Augur and his apprentice to understand why this motive of the Avaar god is in fact very intentionally very narrow-minded.

 

Finish the DLC and if you still hate the reasoning, I'll shut up.

 

Finished it, hated it, if I see another "gods are spirits, gods are spirits, now let's talk SOME MORE about how gods are spirits, ISN'T IT INTERESTING?" DLC, I'll scream.

 

Gods, the writers screwed up. The only time I felt involved was the small quest with the possessed girl who had that spirit as her only friend.

[Rhidor]

Always with a thread standing at order arms, BSN!

 

I carefully advise you to finish the questline with the Augur and his apprentice to understand why this motive of the Avaar god is in fact very intentionally very narrow-minded.

 

Finish the DLC and if you still hate the reasoning, I'll shut up.

 

I have not played the DLC yet, I was looking for some info about the antagonist before spending the money.

 

But by what I've read so far it's much better than that PS-Store descriptions promises.

[frankf43]

Loghain begs to differ.

Not the main bad guy. That would be the Arch Demon who was trying to destroy the world. 

[Ellana of clan Lavellan]

This video can help you decide:

 

 

Granted, I went and got it ASAP